Posts by EntirelyPossible

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TEC Documentary hypothesis

by mP in

continuing on our mini discussing at.

http://jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/246435/8/greatest-show-on-earth#4664173.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/documentary_hypothesis.

EntirelyPossible

You did notice how He would correct things that the people thought, yes? "You have heard it said... but I tell you now... etc" The lying pen of the scribes has handled the law falsely. Jeremiah 8:8.

So tell me which part of the law regarding rape and slavery he condemend? And don't make stuff up, just use the text.

Everyone makes judgment calls.

So, depsite your protests, you do judge. You may want to make a distinction without a difference, but you DO judge things and people. At last we finally have the truth, even though you tried to say judging wasn't judging because you somehow do the nice kind.

I am a) countering your continued pestering and judgment of meand b) suggesting that you do allow your bias to blind you to the holes on 'that side', while focusing on what you see as holes on 'this side'.

You are making stuff up about what you think I might do to justify calling me dishonest.

Then stop attempting to do it to me.

I didn't attempt anything. I simply point out what you say. OTOH, you had to make something up to call me dishonest, ironically.

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TEC Documentary hypothesis

by mP in

continuing on our mini discussing at.

http://jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/246435/8/greatest-show-on-earth#4664173.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/documentary_hypothesis.

EntirelyPossible

Of course not. Because he did not. As I have stated in this thread.

Yeah, you said he didn't condone the entire law, but he actually did. Are you saying he didn't mean it, didn't say it or just that you know know he said it but didn't mean it?

Yes, I made a judgment call on his motives (just as he has done from the start of this thread ). I did so over his words here:

You just said you don't judge and now you are saying you do. Is it any wonder why people don't trust what you say?

And if you were on the other 'side' of this debate, you would be the first one pointing out the holes in his arguments. So YOU try and be honest.

Wait, you are suggesting that I am NOT honest because you are guessing at what I might do if I agreed with you? the very reason I AM on his side of the aisle is because of all the holes.

Please, please please please do NOT attempt to smear me with questions of integrity and honesty based on your judgement (even though you don't judge) of what you imagine I might say if you were lucky enough to have me defending your view. It's not only a base personal attack, it doesn't even make sense.

You go back and read. None of this has anything to do with what was being discussed. Work on your own honesty, EP. Let me worry about mine.

It always amuses me when people run away from their own argument and comments while complaining people are responding to things they wrote on a public forum.

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The results of the 2012 survey are published, and the new 2013 survey is now online!

by cedars in

jw
friends

for those of you who are following our annual jw global survey, you will be pleased to know that the results have been published, and are available on the link below.... http://jwsurvey.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/2012-jw-survey-results.pdf.

i would urge as many as possible to take part in our new survey, which has been enhanced to implement some of the suggestions we received from those taking part in last year's poll.. anyway, i hope you find the 2012 results helpful and enjoy taking part in our new survey.. by all means share your thoughts on the results on this thread, not to mention any suggestions that will help make the 2014 survey better still!

cedars.

EntirelyPossible

I also have no interested in having a discussion with someone that confused personal criticism (your mischaractization of me, which, BTW, was not actually criticism but a base personal attack) with a critical look at a project.

Now, sadly for you, I have work to do and adult discussions to have that aren't about your feelings getting hurt over feedback on your project. The lesson is over. Whether or not you learn something is up to you. Dismissed.

Feel free to respond. I won't be wasting any more time with you. The last word is all yours, I'm pretty sure you won't feel like you won without it.

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The results of the 2012 survey are published, and the new 2013 survey is now online!

by cedars in

jw
friends

for those of you who are following our annual jw global survey, you will be pleased to know that the results have been published, and are available on the link below.... http://jwsurvey.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/2012-jw-survey-results.pdf.

i would urge as many as possible to take part in our new survey, which has been enhanced to implement some of the suggestions we received from those taking part in last year's poll.. anyway, i hope you find the 2012 results helpful and enjoy taking part in our new survey.. by all means share your thoughts on the results on this thread, not to mention any suggestions that will help make the 2014 survey better still!

cedars.

EntirelyPossible

As I said, I have no interest in teaching someone who gets so emotional at constructive criticism and jumps to personal attacks, the lowest form of attack. Have a pleasant day. Or don't. I really don't care.

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The results of the 2012 survey are published, and the new 2013 survey is now online!

by cedars in

jw
friends

for those of you who are following our annual jw global survey, you will be pleased to know that the results have been published, and are available on the link below.... http://jwsurvey.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/2012-jw-survey-results.pdf.

i would urge as many as possible to take part in our new survey, which has been enhanced to implement some of the suggestions we received from those taking part in last year's poll.. anyway, i hope you find the 2012 results helpful and enjoy taking part in our new survey.. by all means share your thoughts on the results on this thread, not to mention any suggestions that will help make the 2014 survey better still!

cedars.

EntirelyPossible

I see you are more interested in fighting and being butthurt that learning. I have nothing further to dicuss someone that goes into such an emotional state so quickly.

Have a pleasant day.

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The results of the 2012 survey are published, and the new 2013 survey is now online!

by cedars in

jw
friends

for those of you who are following our annual jw global survey, you will be pleased to know that the results have been published, and are available on the link below.... http://jwsurvey.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/2012-jw-survey-results.pdf.

i would urge as many as possible to take part in our new survey, which has been enhanced to implement some of the suggestions we received from those taking part in last year's poll.. anyway, i hope you find the 2012 results helpful and enjoy taking part in our new survey.. by all means share your thoughts on the results on this thread, not to mention any suggestions that will help make the 2014 survey better still!

cedars.

EntirelyPossible

You don't just sound critical, you are critical. Let's call a spade a spade.

Criticism is how we get better, since we are calling a spade a spade. Since you are trying to draw conclusions from polls and data, it probably would help to talk to someone with experience in that.

We're doing our best with the resources we have. That's better than doing nothing at all, even though you bizarrely insinuate that it is "worse."

No one of criticizing the idea. And yes, doing something can be worse than doing nothing. That's my point. A bad conclusion from bad data can absolutely be 100% worse than no information. I'm not saying you are wasting your time, the data is very interesting, I am simply making the point that, right now, there is not much you can know from it and it's very easy to draw a wrong conclusion from it.

We don't insist on any firm conclusions being drawn from our data other than the fact that there are clearly a lot of disgruntled current and former Witnesses out there who are having their lives severely impacted by a high-control religious organizaton.

The OP, calling the results "shocking", suggests you are drawing conclusions. If you are collecting data that can't be trusted or verified, why would any particular result be shocking?

No reasonable person would conclude that 1,488 people logged onto our survey last year just because they wanted to misrepresent their opinions or background in the organization.

I don't think anyone ever said that. Are you suggesting that's the point I was making?

In any event, it's clear you are taking valid criticism personally when the points made are simply about how to collect data, control for variable and when it's viable to attempt to draw conclusions from it. If you are going to take things personally, there really is no basis for a discussion.

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The results of the 2012 survey are published, and the new 2013 survey is now online!

by cedars in

jw
friends

for those of you who are following our annual jw global survey, you will be pleased to know that the results have been published, and are available on the link below.... http://jwsurvey.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/2012-jw-survey-results.pdf.

i would urge as many as possible to take part in our new survey, which has been enhanced to implement some of the suggestions we received from those taking part in last year's poll.. anyway, i hope you find the 2012 results helpful and enjoy taking part in our new survey.. by all means share your thoughts on the results on this thread, not to mention any suggestions that will help make the 2014 survey better still!

cedars.

EntirelyPossible

EntirelyPossible - I hear what you're saying, but at the very least the online survey allows us to quantify just how many dissenters there are against the Watchtower, and how these ones feel. The survey's very existence proves that the Governing Body does not enjoy unanimous support and loyalty among the brothers.

I hate sounding critical, but analyis of data is a huge part of my job and one thing we are strongly wary of is attempting to draw any conclusion from open internet polls. The information they give us is often worse than no information at all because we tend to count the hits and ignore the misses because we have absolutely no idea how they skew, who participated, how honest they were, etc. For instance, how many people who answered elder questions were or are elders? How many people were even JWs or ex-Jws? The existence of freeminds, silentlambs, this forum and others already proved the point about the GB not enjoying unanimous support.

I suppose you could sum up my position as extreme, questioning and skeptical caution when looking at this and attempting to draw any conclusions from it.

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The results of the 2012 survey are published, and the new 2013 survey is now online!

by cedars in

jw
friends

for those of you who are following our annual jw global survey, you will be pleased to know that the results have been published, and are available on the link below.... http://jwsurvey.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/2012-jw-survey-results.pdf.

i would urge as many as possible to take part in our new survey, which has been enhanced to implement some of the suggestions we received from those taking part in last year's poll.. anyway, i hope you find the 2012 results helpful and enjoy taking part in our new survey.. by all means share your thoughts on the results on this thread, not to mention any suggestions that will help make the 2014 survey better still!

cedars.

EntirelyPossible

While I love the idea of somehow being able to survey JWs, due to the nature of an online survey we really can't say what the numbers on the survey tell us because there is no way to know who was responding or why or to control for any variables.

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TEC Documentary hypothesis

by mP in

continuing on our mini discussing at.

http://jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/246435/8/greatest-show-on-earth#4664173.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/documentary_hypothesis.

EntirelyPossible

I am not denying anything Christ said.

So you agree he condoned the entire Law, even the parts about rape and the ability to beat slaves to death with zero consequences?

I am also not judging anyone. Just giving mP a little back of what he is dishing out.

You judged his motives to be something. Please try to be honest.

So? This has nothing to do with the point I was addressing.

So YOU addressed it and YOU are wrong. Contradictions, no matter how small, create contradictory accounts. YOU tried to deny that. Please try to stay honest.

And/or if there were different witnesses, privy to different things as they saw and then re-told them.

Interesting conjecture. Sadly for you, it's merely conjecture.

From what you write about me, you are not listening to me to begin with, so no biggee.

Actually, I just see the truth in your words that you deny. Keep on cherry picking a nd judging people while claiming that's not what you are doing. Everyone else sees it for what it is.

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TEC Documentary hypothesis

by mP in

continuing on our mini discussing at.

http://jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/246435/8/greatest-show-on-earth#4664173.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/documentary_hypothesis.

EntirelyPossible

The good ones. The only 'bad' messages are for those who practice judging others, hypocrisy, lies.

You mean like denying what Jesus said?

What is going on is that you have an agenda and a bias and so you see what you want to see... to confirm your 'non-belief'.

Judging people? How very Christ-like of you.

For one, this is a fallacy. Minor differences are not contradicting accounts.

First of all, no matter how minor, they are STILL contradictions in the accounts.

Makes more sense that this would happen, than that the accounts would be identical.

If they were simply re-told stories, absolutely.

In any case, there is a much easier way to know if something is true or not... and that would be by looking AT the Truth.

It is noticeably absent in your writings. If you claim it be a person, when he shows up, I will give him a chance. In any event, the truth is that you simply cherry pick and make up the rest, claiming judging is bad thing while practicing it all day long. I'm not inclined to listen to someone that does that.