first of all i am happy to be here..this site has been an invaluable tool which helped me get to the point where i am today.
i was born and raised as a jehovah's witness and i am now 30 yrs old.
my entire family are die hard witnesses; pioneers, elders, bethel etc.
Freeof1914 . . . welcome to the Forum.
This is the hardest part . . . and the advice here is sound . . . take your time and read plenty . . . particularly Steve Hassans 2 books. Unfortunately, once a certain position is taken . . . there is usually no reversing available. Make your steps certain, informed and well thought out. All the best.
i'm gonna play the skeptic today on a topic that is painful for a lot of people on this forum.
my intent is not to stir anything up but to make sure facts are confirmed.
bear in mind, i'm sickened by the wt's role (and the heirarchy down to elders) in child molestation cover-ups.
LOL Nomad . . .
Shitquakes actually occur you know . . . I've seen intact turds flowing down the streets in knee deep water . . . Liquefaction with lumps LOL
BTW . . . I've never said the naysayers are pedophile supporters, that's ridiculous . . . only that they run the risk of unwittingly supporting their interests if they don't check facts . . . big difference.
There's some really emotive imputation of motive going on here. I'll leave you to that . . .
i'm gonna play the skeptic today on a topic that is painful for a lot of people on this forum.
my intent is not to stir anything up but to make sure facts are confirmed.
bear in mind, i'm sickened by the wt's role (and the heirarchy down to elders) in child molestation cover-ups.
As for you sizemik - in the past whenever I tried to raise a question regarding Mr unthank to add some rational perspective you would pounce. I really don't give a toss for your contempt.
Depends on your definition of rational perspective I suppose. I just get the shits when I go to the trouble of digging up facts, even posting links like I'm the only one in possession of a search engine . . . only to have it ignored repeatedly. That just doesn't fit my definition of rational perspective.
But nice pounce . . . I'm glad I've hit a nerve.
i'm gonna play the skeptic today on a topic that is painful for a lot of people on this forum.
my intent is not to stir anything up but to make sure facts are confirmed.
bear in mind, i'm sickened by the wt's role (and the heirarchy down to elders) in child molestation cover-ups.
MMM . . . I've already posted on this thread how the official site works, but here it is again . . .
After you open the page go to . . . court lists (note the linked email address as one communication option) . . . now click daily hearing lists (r/h side) . . . this will bring up a link to click which loads a new page. . . click on Gippsland . . . then Latrobe Valley Magistrates "criminal list" . . . you will get calendars for Feb and March 2012.
You will notice at this point that the calendar is only active from this day forward . . . that's because it's a schedule and does not retain old schedules or archives for decided or dismissed cases. You can however check the current list for format.
If you want verification, either request it through the email address mentioned earlier . . . or click on contact us on the home page . . . scroll down to "country courts" and click on Latrobe Valley Magistrates Court. There you will find contact details . . . including phone numbers if you want verification immediately.
i'm gonna play the skeptic today on a topic that is painful for a lot of people on this forum.
my intent is not to stir anything up but to make sure facts are confirmed.
bear in mind, i'm sickened by the wt's role (and the heirarchy down to elders) in child molestation cover-ups.
But public things are fair game to question publicly. . . . james_woods
As a principle I agree. But principles can be maintained under a range of choices.
My first qualifier is that those engaged in the same endeavour give consideration to the overall cause, when deciding on treatment of the subject . . . after all the purpose of "questioning" is to get a satisfactory answer first and foremost. Public questioning is normally a political tactic designed to cast doubts and is therefore quick to employ the principle in an overt and confrontational manner. You can tell because the questioning is usually accompanied by suggestive speculation . . . fraud, hoax, scam etc.
The second qualifier is this . . . the subject matter. There are few subjects I treat with greater respect than this . . . none in fact. The possible outcomes of which approach is employed, could never be more serious. A few minutes checking beforehand to ascertain appropriate public treatment is warranted in my opinion. It is very possible to place ourselves on the wrong side of a debate unwittingly . . . and be a sharer in the interests of the abusers.
Others obviously differ and wish to treat the subject as "fair game" (a euphamism for a hunting target BTW). Because of my stand on the matter, I have nothing but utter contempt for those that do . . . and I'm not sorry if it shows occasionally.
i'm gonna play the skeptic today on a topic that is painful for a lot of people on this forum.
my intent is not to stir anything up but to make sure facts are confirmed.
bear in mind, i'm sickened by the wt's role (and the heirarchy down to elders) in child molestation cover-ups.
The poster you mentioned has just been kicked out for trolling.
Cedars . . . I don't back horses . . . not a gambler. Personally, I don't think Johnny said anything worse than a good many others on this thread . . . regardless of "allegiances". It just looked like the normal bait and snap frenzy that seems to constantly dominate this site nowadays. That's why my agreement was with the quoted statement . . . not a personal attachment to whoever it was. The troll numbers here are extraordinarily high by standard troll definition. A good many posts are simply designed to malign and inflame coupled with a strange inability to ascertain facts the easy way.
Who knows . . . maybe backing the wrong horse will get me kicked off here as well. I have no doubt whatsoever that many would be thrilled. What a terrible personal tragedy that would be for me.
i'm gonna play the skeptic today on a topic that is painful for a lot of people on this forum.
my intent is not to stir anything up but to make sure facts are confirmed.
bear in mind, i'm sickened by the wt's role (and the heirarchy down to elders) in child molestation cover-ups.
The level of layer in threads in that thread ball is very deep.. This child must be a genius, because of the amount of detail..... its just far too complex...... However it looks that the picture has been actually created/modified digitally in a photo applicatication like photoshop... I am not saying retouched but edited..... lets do some photo forensics..... CJ
Yeah lets . . . lets all get together and do that. I reckon it's a lost Picasso.
.... but what do I know I am full of shit and am a defender of pedophiles because I say this... and because i didnt take the wT to court. . . . CJ
Oh dear . . . all this time an XJW and still playing the victim card
Johnny, I do not think you are welcome here by your remarks. . . . allcool
I think some might read this thread again one day and feel pretty embarrassed . . . I hope so for their sakes. Despite being told he was unwelcome I think "Johnny" gets the medal for most reasonable and accurate statement so far . . .
Seems pretty par for the course for the dregs that remained on this once great site. From the looks of things even Simon doesn't give a rat's ass about this place anymore and judging by the posts I've read so far it's not hard to see why. . . . Johnnytwofeet
You stick around Johnny . . . you show good judgement.
i'm gonna play the skeptic today on a topic that is painful for a lot of people on this forum.
my intent is not to stir anything up but to make sure facts are confirmed.
bear in mind, i'm sickened by the wt's role (and the heirarchy down to elders) in child molestation cover-ups.
Yeah I get that cbj . . . but that was simply a hosting site for access to the information like you said. It is in no way connected with the govt site. That is simply where Senic Viewer accessed it through. Sure it could have been displaying fake information but it wasn't. The verification you're looking for of Unthanks case is not at the govt site either, simply because it only displays a court schedule, ie; those cases scheduled to appear today and future. It does not retain archives or cases heard yesterday because it is a court schedule . . . as in future. You can however email the official site and request a copy of cases bought up for a hearing that have either been decided or dismissed. I could send you a saved screen shot of it too . . . but what would be the point . . . you need to go to the source and ask.
If Steven has made mistakes, then one is revealing too much that can't be verified. That doesn't make it false however . . . only questionable. But the guy is a carpenter by trade and up until a very short time ago, a believing witness. He has been losing his faith and friends while dealing with this . . . something we can relate to at least. He's actually a very nice guy trying to cope with way more than I could. You ought to give him a ring and have a chat . . . it would resolve all the mystery for you.
in exactly 1 hours time, we will stop and remember a moment that changed my life forever .
chrictchurch at 12:58 pm 22/02/2011 .
7 minutes after a 6.3 quake struck at 5km deep directly beneath the city.. rip to my friends dominic and woodsy .
EE, BP, glenster . . . cheers. Thanks for the wiki link . . . very good set of data and facts.
i'm gonna play the skeptic today on a topic that is painful for a lot of people on this forum.
my intent is not to stir anything up but to make sure facts are confirmed.
bear in mind, i'm sickened by the wt's role (and the heirarchy down to elders) in child molestation cover-ups.
The more I am reading about this, Steven Unthank is not a fraud. . . . allcool
Says it all . . .
