my family (wife and teenage kids) and i awakened to the true nature of the wt society a couple years ago and are fairly well faded now.. .
my son attends high school with a couple of jws, one of whom is an elder's son and an ardent true believer.
let's call him "con".
I've never entered into any back-and-forth with djeggnog before, just thought I'd give it a shot.
Please do om . . . I'm all for it. DJ won't speak to me anymore . . . I'm relegated to the casual observation of his duplicity and logical fallacies being exposed by others. My personal levels of gratification have suffered, but the entertainment value is still reasonable.
my family (wife and teenage kids) and i awakened to the true nature of the wt society a couple years ago and are fairly well faded now.. .
my son attends high school with a couple of jws, one of whom is an elder's son and an ardent true believer.
let's call him "con".
I think you're missing or ignoring the central point of my thread
Who? . . . DJ? . . . surely not!
a jw writes as proof that 1914 is key.... the newencyclopdiabritannica (1987) lists 63 major historical earthquakes spanning the past 1,700 years.
of this total, 27, or 43 percent, have struck since 1914. the book terranonfirma, by professors gere and shah, has a list covering a longer period.
of the total significant earthquakes in that list, 54 percent have taken place since 1914. even granting that records from past centuries are incomplete, we cannot escape the conclusion that in our time mankind has been greatly affected by earthquakes.. does anyone have access to the the newencyclopdiabritannica (1987) or info that would either support or refute the above allegations.. .
I can only provide anecdotal evidence from my own experience . . .
But major earthquakes have declined significantly over the last three months where I live.
watchtowers dr. dixon on individual consciences of jehovahs witnesses.
today i added a new article to my blog addressing a statement of cherished belief held by the former head of watchtowers medical department.
dr. dixons view was published in the new york state journal of medicine in year 1988, and i agree with his cherished belief.
Excellent post ^^^^^^
The WTS blood doctine was a dumb idea from the start and was never going to survive future scrutiny when it was formulated. This Dr Dixons' dissonance is entirely understandable given his profession.
I've always maintained those at the top realised this about 20 years ago and the doctrinal changes since are all part of a long-term tactical withdrawal from the doctrine . . . that's why it makes even less sense now. It has to be gradual for two very obvious reasons . . . membership attrition and legal liability.
apologies if this has been discussed before, or is in the wrong forum, but i could really do with some advice.
two years ago i met the love of my life; someone i regard as my soulmate.
he is an active jw and i am a practising church of england person.
There are so many contradictions about him and his behaviour. Sometimes he acts like the perfect JW, and then it feels like I am actually talking to him for real...
Astute observation on your part and a critical one. It's something common to all cult members who undergo thought and behavioural control. It's commonly referred to as the "cult personality" v the "genuine personality".
The perfect JW is the cult personality. By questioning his beliefs for him, you typically invoke the cult-induced response and can actually inadvertently confirm his cult mindset. The "real him" is the genuine personality . . . and the level you need to communicate on as much as possible. The two personalities have buried conflicts . . . and so appealing to the genuine personality empowers it.
He will only successfully question his beliefs when the time is right . . . and you will need to be very careful if prompting him to do that. Once that cult defence is induced toward you personally . . . you've burned your bridges somewhat.
i know this is a few months old.
but i think it's profound to people that still think like the wt trained them to think.
even after coming out of the wt, they still feel that all christians believe that they alone have the true religion or denomination.
I think the part I had trouble with in Catholicism, which is the religion I was raised in, was Father Garvey trying to fuck all us alter boys in the ass.
I could be wrong . . . wha
I think you can be forgiven for the self-doubt wha . . . but whenever you say that, you're usually right.
But the JW's fuck children . . . so why pick on the Catholics? . . . right sulla?
apologies if this has been discussed before, or is in the wrong forum, but i could really do with some advice.
two years ago i met the love of my life; someone i regard as my soulmate.
he is an active jw and i am a practising church of england person.
Hi CuriousUK . . .
The advice is pretty unanimous. All I can add is . . . you must be fully prepared to walk away from this relationship, as that is the most likely outcome sadly. More than a few here have sacrificed close relationships and family, loved ones, in order to free themselves from this cult. You will likely have to do the same to stay clear of it.
By all means prepare your strategy well and give it a shot . . . all the best with it.
i know this is a few months old.
but i think it's profound to people that still think like the wt trained them to think.
even after coming out of the wt, they still feel that all christians believe that they alone have the true religion or denomination.
I'll take the Dunning-Kruger Effect for $500.
Make it $1k . . . they're short odds.
i know this is a few months old.
but i think it's profound to people that still think like the wt trained them to think.
even after coming out of the wt, they still feel that all christians believe that they alone have the true religion or denomination.
@dm6 . . . nice to see you back.
People come and go, the board constantly changes (except for james that is). Most of the atheist v believer debates are good discussions for the most part IMO and thought provoking. Every thread get's at least one crazy-ass, one lazy-ass, one pompous twit, a joke-teller and at least one defying description. You've just gotta filter dude . . . and call it how you see it.
i know this is a few months old.
but i think it's profound to people that still think like the wt trained them to think.
even after coming out of the wt, they still feel that all christians believe that they alone have the true religion or denomination.
but I'll put my education, university, GRE scores, income, job status, and neighborhood up against the distribution on this board any day.
I think I do from a thread a couple weeks back when you called me a pompous fuck or something three or four times.
I'm relieved that 1+1 still =2
