but one should also consider what plausible benefits religion h as done for benefit of humanity in a sociological sense.
I'm trying, but drawing a blank . . . care to name one, just to get us started?
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The Great Debate: "Has Science Refuted Religion?
by dark angle injust want to share this amazing debate!
caltech cosmologist and physicist sean carroll teams up with skeptic magazine publisher and science historian michael shermer in this epic debate with noted conservative author and king's college president dinesh d'souza and mit physicist ian hutchinson as they go head-to-head over one of the most controversial issues of our age.
as science pushes deeper into territory once the province of religion, with questions such as why there is something rather than nothing?, where did the universe come from?, how did life arise?, what was the origin of morality?, and others, inevitable conflicts arise over the best approach to answer them.
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The Great Debate: "Has Science Refuted Religion?
by dark angle injust want to share this amazing debate!
caltech cosmologist and physicist sean carroll teams up with skeptic magazine publisher and science historian michael shermer in this epic debate with noted conservative author and king's college president dinesh d'souza and mit physicist ian hutchinson as they go head-to-head over one of the most controversial issues of our age.
as science pushes deeper into territory once the province of religion, with questions such as why there is something rather than nothing?, where did the universe come from?, how did life arise?, what was the origin of morality?, and others, inevitable conflicts arise over the best approach to answer them.
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This is assuming the author of those verses and books meant for them to be taken literally to begin with; or that they even WERE taken literally...
Well if you include the first Christian himself, then I would disagree strongly with that statement. Jesus constantly referred to the writings of Moses as if they were literal. His audience made no challenge to this. The literal interpretations have been gradually broken down . . . not the other way round, in spite of the neo-fundamentalism that exists today.
Genesis got it right about the universe having a beginning, rather than being eternal. Scientists didn't even consider it as a possibility for a while, because it was too close to the biblical version. But that was the scientists' bias.
Sure . . . nearly all "scientists" at one time were religious people, so had there own false premises to overcome. But personal bias is only part of the story. The threat of execution by religious zealots who's authority was threatened probably played a more influential role than genuine personal bias. Science demands you place unsupported belief in the work-in-progress category at least. No individual is content with conflicting beliefs . . . least of all those dedicated to science.
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The Great Debate: "Has Science Refuted Religion?
by dark angle injust want to share this amazing debate!
caltech cosmologist and physicist sean carroll teams up with skeptic magazine publisher and science historian michael shermer in this epic debate with noted conservative author and king's college president dinesh d'souza and mit physicist ian hutchinson as they go head-to-head over one of the most controversial issues of our age.
as science pushes deeper into territory once the province of religion, with questions such as why there is something rather than nothing?, where did the universe come from?, how did life arise?, what was the origin of morality?, and others, inevitable conflicts arise over the best approach to answer them.
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Science has grey areas; for example have you ever had the feeling that you are being watched? And you find out that you were, science cannot explain that feeling we have when we are being watched, almost like a six sense. If you think science has an explanation for this, it doesn't.
That doesn't mean there isn't one . . . just that it hasn't been determined yet.
Science doesn't explain everything and probably never will. The day it does, it will no longer be science . . . just facts.
As Einstein said . . . "Of course I don't know what I'm doing. If I did, it wouldn't be research would it?"
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Q: How DID Noah get all those animals into the Ark?
by notjustyet ina: you take the "j" out of "jahs" and the "f" out of "way".
i can't beleive that i did not recognize this 40 years ago!!.
njy.
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NJY . . . Oh, go on then . . . destroy the illusion with your silly facts.
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Medical Marijuana, Your opinion please?
by Greybeard indo any of you use medical marijuana?
i go to aa and there are a few who believe medical marijuana is an "outside issue" and they are ok with it.
i don't know... alcohol doesn't work for me but if it did, i would use it... i wish i could find a "new drug" that works lol.
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I go to the hubby and I ask did we do anything last night? He says yeah why do you ask? I replied cuz I don't remember a damn thing!
Damn shame that . . . try it again, and stay awake this time. The bong is an integral part of foreplay here . . . for good reason.
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A heart-wrenching comment from the JW survey...
by cedars ini've just received this comment from a country in the south china sea.
i'd rather not be more specific than that.. the english is poor, but the message is heart-wrenching.
any who question whether ordinary publishers wrestle with doubts need only read this message.
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It get's tough when the timing is not right Cedars. Most of us have a lot to deal with in our personal lives.
You've made the effort anyway . . . for a complete stranger. Well done my friend.
This thread makes some great reading as a bonus. Do keep us posted.
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A heart-wrenching comment from the JW survey...
by cedars ini've just received this comment from a country in the south china sea.
i'd rather not be more specific than that.. the english is poor, but the message is heart-wrenching.
any who question whether ordinary publishers wrestle with doubts need only read this message.
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Who knows, maybe he will be contributing to this thread at some point? Wouldn't that be cool!!
Cedars . . . a suggestion for what it's worth.
Why not say, along with your reply, that you mentioned his situation to friends who have/had the same concerns, and this is what they had to say. Then send him a selection of comments from this thread. There are some great comments here which speak from the heart . . . just as he did. He will recognise that and maybe connect with it. Many hands make light work? (pun intended)
Just a thought . . . your call.
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Q: How DID Noah get all those animals into the Ark?
by notjustyet ina: you take the "j" out of "jahs" and the "f" out of "way".
i can't beleive that i did not recognize this 40 years ago!!.
njy.
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sizemik
seawolf's sexy post is the highlight of this thread.
It matches her avatar and flag.
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The Great Debate: "Has Science Refuted Religion?
by dark angle injust want to share this amazing debate!
caltech cosmologist and physicist sean carroll teams up with skeptic magazine publisher and science historian michael shermer in this epic debate with noted conservative author and king's college president dinesh d'souza and mit physicist ian hutchinson as they go head-to-head over one of the most controversial issues of our age.
as science pushes deeper into territory once the province of religion, with questions such as why there is something rather than nothing?, where did the universe come from?, how did life arise?, what was the origin of morality?, and others, inevitable conflicts arise over the best approach to answer them.
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Pause for thought . . .
If I heavily scrutinise a religious belief . . . compare it with the latest scientific knowledge and then question it's validity. If I openly criticise it's weaknesses, and seek explanations that make sense. If I decry what is demonstrably false. Am I refuting religion?
I could just as likely be attempting to prove it . . . think about it.
The problems arise when one attributes evil to motive . . . as you have done above.