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  Association: Am i being lied to?

  by roxanesophia in

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  i don't hesitate to bring up with the girl i study with, my criticisms of the religion, and one of those is the association.

  i keep reading on here that jw's don't make friends outside the cult, and this is what i used as an excuse for stepping further away from being baptized.

  she tells me it's not true, and they can have what ever friends they want.

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  What does "position himself in relation to that" mean? I get the establish connections part: they are already in the habit of needing to be in the know when it comes to who hangs out with who

  As I said in that post . . .

  Most MS's are "reaching out" (their term) to become Elders. Therefore their actions as seen by others, need to be politically in harmony with those aspirations. It may not be obvious at first, but their status is very important to many and is carefully protected.

  "Who hangs out with who" is quite important to an MS who is striving to qualify as an Elder . . . the "bad association" within the congregation is one area that will be closely monitored by the current Elders when examining his qualifications . . . such a one needs to tread that much more carefully . . . that's all. Remember . . . this is a "high-control" cult. Everything is observed and noted.
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  A guy just can't get by anymore...

  by finallyfree! in

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  its crazy!

  im a single dad of 2 kids and i gotta work like 70 hours a week just to get by.

  just to pick up a loaf of bread and a jug of milk is like 10 bucks, nevermind a whole grocery list!.

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  Ha Ha Ha Moshe . . . TV Tennis . . . I'd forgotten all about that. The neighbours got it first and we were so dam jealous . . . pestered my Dad for weeks. He eventually succumbed . . . just to get his kids back from the neighbours.

  And yeah . . . consumerism in general has something to do with it . . . a LOT more is seen as mandatory possesions . . . especially in electrotech's

  2nd hand cars are relatively cheaper . . . all my teenage kid's own a car each . . . one saved for 3 months on a part-time job after school to get one. I had been working full-time for 6 months before I could put a down-payment on one.
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  Jehovah's user profile ...

  by Nick! in

  1. social
  2. humour

  just had a hit googling "jehovah" and "port au prince" excluding temoins and witnesses and got 220'000 hits !!!.

  just laughing my head off, one of them says:.

  click yes on me!

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  sizemik

  LOL . . . I guess you have to log in to see the photos . . . however anyone "seeing Jehovah's face will die" so I'm not too dissappointed LOL
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  Association: Am i being lied to?

  by roxanesophia in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i don't hesitate to bring up with the girl i study with, my criticisms of the religion, and one of those is the association.

  i keep reading on here that jw's don't make friends outside the cult, and this is what i used as an excuse for stepping further away from being baptized.

  she tells me it's not true, and they can have what ever friends they want.

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  sizemik

  Well a girl I've never met prior comes up to me at the hall and says her parent's company need a receptionist. Her JW parents of course.

  roxanesophia . . . you are a trophy . . . a splendid catch . . . you validate all of their reasons for persisting in the cult themselves. Your progress and eventual baptism is important to THEM. They will not put you back in the water. They will do anything to get you stuffed and mounted.

  Believe this . . . if you get to baptism everything will change . . . you will then be an overworked undernon-paid fisherman. Like I was for 26 years.
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  Association: Am i being lied to?

  by roxanesophia in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i don't hesitate to bring up with the girl i study with, my criticisms of the religion, and one of those is the association.

  i keep reading on here that jw's don't make friends outside the cult, and this is what i used as an excuse for stepping further away from being baptized.

  she tells me it's not true, and they can have what ever friends they want.

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  sizemik

  All this is making sense why an MS saw me with someone he hangs out with and made a point to come over and ask "Did you come together?" as if he was concerned or curious if we were friends.

  He's trying to establish your connections in order to position himself in relation to that. Most MS's are "reaching out" (their term) to become Elders. Therefore their actions as seen by others, need to be politically in harmony with those aspirations. It may not be obvious at first, but their status is very important to many and is carefully protected.

  I don't cope well with hypocrisy and two faced people.

  Then you will not cope well in this religion. They aren't necessarily that way by nature, but the demands of this cult force them to be.
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  A guy just can't get by anymore...

  by finallyfree! in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  its crazy!

  im a single dad of 2 kids and i gotta work like 70 hours a week just to get by.

  just to pick up a loaf of bread and a jug of milk is like 10 bucks, nevermind a whole grocery list!.

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  sizemik

  It's been trending this way for quite some time now. When I was a kid growing up in the sixties, we lived quite comfortably as a family of 5 on my fathers income only. Brand new car . . . the latest version of everything . . . 1 or 2 holidays a year. From the 80's it has required most middle and working class families to have both parents working . . . and it saw a boom in the daycare industry. Today 2 parents working no longer guarantees meeting the bills let alone a comfortable income.

  Hedging against the trend by a more subsistence approach (growing food, producing your own energy etc) will help some who own property . . . for a while at least. But many are more exposed and have little chance of working themselves into that position. Now the lottery industry is booming. What the trend will produce as an end result . . . I'm not too sure . . . trouble probably.
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  Association: Am i being lied to?

  by roxanesophia in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i don't hesitate to bring up with the girl i study with, my criticisms of the religion, and one of those is the association.

  i keep reading on here that jw's don't make friends outside the cult, and this is what i used as an excuse for stepping further away from being baptized.

  she tells me it's not true, and they can have what ever friends they want.

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  sizemik

  Can you explain further what you mean by that? Does "a bit cool" mean stand off-ish?

  Yes . . . that is what I mean. The cliqueyness often stems from an underlying competitiveness with some regarding their witnessing. Your study conductor could well invoke some jealousy with others who see themselves as having some status as effective preachers and teachers also. As another poster mentioned, having a study from the territory is a bit of a trophy catch.

  They're only human. But this will translate into a difference about the way your viewed by different ones. It will also create a difference with those who you become friendly with. They will be more natural out of the KH (when among their genuine friends) and more guarded inside the KH (when they are being observed by rivals).

  The above will apply to a greater or lesser degree depending on the congregation. But it may explain your percieving a difference in their behaviour in and away from the KH.

  Hope this makes sense and helps somewhat.
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  small talk with daughter...still planting seeds

  by Aussie Oz in

  1. watchtower
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  had a little chat to her the other day about a couple of things.... she had the friday off school i found out so she could go witnessing with the co's wife and have lunch with them.

  anyway, got to talking about the door to door work and whether she thought it was an effective method of preaching, which she does/did.

  i asked her if she was aware that after 130 years of preaching that most people could not tell you what the jws believed but rather could only say what they didn't believe, and even then still get some of that wrong.

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  sizemik

  Nice going Oz . . . asking the right questions and letting her recognise the flaws for herself . . . seems to be the right formula.

  Softly softly also though . . . she may well raise these things with her JW friends . . . and get the usual response.
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  by The Quiet One in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  paragraph 2: if we are to progress to christian maturity, we must learn to distinguish right from wrong and then make decisions that reflect our own convictions, not those of someone else.

  (romans 12:1,2)(hebrews 5:14) paragraph 11: elders make decisions that affect the congregation.

  however, they make sure that they "do not go beyond the things that are written" in god's word.

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  sizemik

  Ah yes, the limitations of the phone post . . . the tech is coming.

  Welcome to the Forum by the way.
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  by The Quiet One in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  paragraph 2: if we are to progress to christian maturity, we must learn to distinguish right from wrong and then make decisions that reflect our own convictions, not those of someone else.

  (romans 12:1,2)(hebrews 5:14) paragraph 11: elders make decisions that affect the congregation.

  however, they make sure that they "do not go beyond the things that are written" in god's word.

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  sizemik

  Very sorry, title didn't appear

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