i do not wish to debate anything here like i have said in the past i have much respect for most on this forum (believers and non believers) i am simply wondering if the atheist or non god believers every worry about what if your wrong?
it seems that many who were jw for so many years attach jehovah/yahweh with the watchtower and since the wt is wrong than god does not exist.
i ask this question only because i care about people and salvation thats why i want to help as many as possable come out of this cult,and since i truly believe in god i dont know what is in the cinscience of those who dont.
He who has died is acquitted. You can add and subtract shades of meaning to make it all fit till the cows come home.
The redemption, sacrifice, death and ressurection idea is flawed on multiple levels. If you twist one scripture it won't gel with others. There's no way to reconcile the different concepts.
How deep you dig is more important than what you find along the way. The choice is yours though. I'm off for a nap.
i do not wish to debate anything here like i have said in the past i have much respect for most on this forum (believers and non believers) i am simply wondering if the atheist or non god believers every worry about what if your wrong?
it seems that many who were jw for so many years attach jehovah/yahweh with the watchtower and since the wt is wrong than god does not exist.
i ask this question only because i care about people and salvation thats why i want to help as many as possable come out of this cult,and since i truly believe in god i dont know what is in the cinscience of those who dont.
So all the non-bible believers who have never heard of Christ and died are not acquitted? That's not what the bible says. It says the wages of sin is death . . . debt payed. Simple principle.
Hey . . . a WTS article once asked . . . "Is it wise to examine your religion?" Well, they had another motive, but it's probably the only bit of advice those clowns came up with worth the paper it was written on. Even Christ said to dig down deep and build on solid ground . . . probably among the best advice he gave as well IMO.
I know of a story about three other dudes who had housing problems. The first two used straw and sticks, and spent a lot of time running between houses. When they finally got to safety the story was ending. Isn't it a better idea to build with bricks from the get-go? Then you can sit down by the fire, have a cup of tea, forget about the big bad wolf, and do something meaningful and worthwhile with the time you've got. I don't say that to trivialise . . . because it's a valid lesson. You just need to pick your building material wisely.
i do not wish to debate anything here like i have said in the past i have much respect for most on this forum (believers and non believers) i am simply wondering if the atheist or non god believers every worry about what if your wrong?
it seems that many who were jw for so many years attach jehovah/yahweh with the watchtower and since the wt is wrong than god does not exist.
i ask this question only because i care about people and salvation thats why i want to help as many as possable come out of this cult,and since i truly believe in god i dont know what is in the cinscience of those who dont.
unstop . . .
follow me through this . . .
The Bible tells us that "the wages of sin is death" . . . and "he who has died is acquitted of his sin" . . . so all those who have died have paid their own price . . . Christ's sacrifice is unnecassary for these ones. But in Revelation, there are those ressurected ones, who will simply not learn righteousness, and they are "as the sands of the sea"
So these ones are not acquitted of their sin after all otherwise they wouldn't need to learn righteousness.
If they indeed have been acquitted as the Bible says . . . they are perfect. And yet huge numbers sin and are punished again . . . which means the perfect man is still flawed somehow.
In the mean time there is a great deal of death and slaughter taking place . . . and very few survive the process . . . a process designed by a perfect and wise God.
The concept of sin and redemption is attractive because it holds the promise of paradise or heavenly life. But when you look deeper, as snare suggested, the whole concept is full of holes . . . and irreconcilable concepts. It's totally flawed and illogical. It makes absolutely no sense.
It's recognising these inexplicables that prompts one to stop and consider the whole shebang needs examination . . . and looking outside of such flawed priciples for more saisfying explanations becomes attractive. Give yourself that chance. Riding on top of the wooden horse won't get you through the gate . . . you need to look inside and get to know the animal.
i do not wish to debate anything here like i have said in the past i have much respect for most on this forum (believers and non believers) i am simply wondering if the atheist or non god believers every worry about what if your wrong?
it seems that many who were jw for so many years attach jehovah/yahweh with the watchtower and since the wt is wrong than god does not exist.
i ask this question only because i care about people and salvation thats why i want to help as many as possable come out of this cult,and since i truly believe in god i dont know what is in the cinscience of those who dont.
if someone smokes pot for three days but goes to jail for 10 years.
I think that illustrates the point . . . time (the penalty) does matter . . . unless you think the above is fair and just as well.
But then Christ is doing your lag for you . . . so from that point of view it doesn't matter.
Which side of the equation is valid? . . . I would suggest neither.
i do not wish to debate anything here like i have said in the past i have much respect for most on this forum (believers and non believers) i am simply wondering if the atheist or non god believers every worry about what if your wrong?
it seems that many who were jw for so many years attach jehovah/yahweh with the watchtower and since the wt is wrong than god does not exist.
i ask this question only because i care about people and salvation thats why i want to help as many as possable come out of this cult,and since i truly believe in god i dont know what is in the cinscience of those who dont.
So if you're crime is paid for in advance . . . it's sort of a mechanism for a free ticket to sin isn't it?
And you're predestined to be bad . . . how can that be a personal crime? It's an inevitability . . . determined to exist by God . . . not you.
And then you get to pay anyway . . . "let him who wants to come after me, let him pick up his torture stake . . . "
And yet it's a "free gift"
These things don't reconcile
i do not wish to debate anything here like i have said in the past i have much respect for most on this forum (believers and non believers) i am simply wondering if the atheist or non god believers every worry about what if your wrong?
it seems that many who were jw for so many years attach jehovah/yahweh with the watchtower and since the wt is wrong than god does not exist.
i ask this question only because i care about people and salvation thats why i want to help as many as possable come out of this cult,and since i truly believe in god i dont know what is in the cinscience of those who dont.
So if you committed a crime, you'd be okay with paying someone else to do your lag for you?
That seems very honorable.
i do not wish to debate anything here like i have said in the past i have much respect for most on this forum (believers and non believers) i am simply wondering if the atheist or non god believers every worry about what if your wrong?
it seems that many who were jw for so many years attach jehovah/yahweh with the watchtower and since the wt is wrong than god does not exist.
i ask this question only because i care about people and salvation thats why i want to help as many as possable come out of this cult,and since i truly believe in god i dont know what is in the cinscience of those who dont.
unstop . . .
what cofty asked was not quite that . . .
He was asking you to explain what you believe . . . the central theme of christian belief.
It requires more than to simply repeat scripture . . . the meaning of what is being said needs to be understood and reconciled in the mind. Otherwise they're just words in a book . . . still waiting to have the real application explained. That's not a lot to go on.
i do not wish to debate anything here like i have said in the past i have much respect for most on this forum (believers and non believers) i am simply wondering if the atheist or non god believers every worry about what if your wrong?
it seems that many who were jw for so many years attach jehovah/yahweh with the watchtower and since the wt is wrong than god does not exist.
i ask this question only because i care about people and salvation thats why i want to help as many as possable come out of this cult,and since i truly believe in god i dont know what is in the cinscience of those who dont.
it must be very difficult to make it fit with a straightforward reading of Paul's letters. . . . cofty
Good point that . . . Paul described it as an inner nature, that went against his desire to do what's right, rather than a conscious defiance of moral standards.
In that context . . . Christ's sacrifice is atoning for something in which choice and free will is absent.
An inherited defect is just that . . . it's like asking a cripple to feel guilty for being born with no legs.
Anyone in particular come to mind? . . . PSac
Romans 7
i'm reading here almost every day (kind of adicted i think).
but due to the fact, that my english isn't very good, i abstain from commenting most of the time.. nevertheless i'd like to share some thoughts with you.. .
when i learned the tatt over a year ago i quickly became an atheist.
Well there's nothing wrong with your english . . . you should post more often.
I look at it this way . . . the inevitable is exactly the same regardless of what you believe. If you strive to be a good person . . . what can a just God hold against you anyway?
I'm like cofty . . . my kid's will know in 50 years stuff I can't even dream of. On the positive side, we live in a great age of discovery . . . and the day I go . . . I will want to know the latest discoveries from the day before. Think of all who have gone before us who never got to learn the things we know now.
I quite like Mark Twain's philosophy too . . . I was dead for millions of years before I was born, and it never inconvenienced me one bit.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/11/08/228582/.
there have been rumors about this craft for years, as well as strange sightings.. in addition, over the past week, a tv show that was shelved for 2 years was quietly put on air at 3am.
it claimed to interview a government employee who had detailed pictures of mars - far better than what nasa shows the public- together with testimony that the us has been to mars, using craft put together from technology gained from ufo crashes.
Jim_TX . . . interesting post on anti-gravity, and well explained. I remember reading a sci-fi tale decades ago on space travel and am racking my brains to recall it.
The principles used in the tale included anti-gravity, achieved by "insulating" an object (craft) from gravitational force. Additionally, propulsion was achieved by "focussing" on the gravity of distant celestial objects exclusively, to obtain propulsion, which accelerated the object continuously until the focus was "insulated" again, once the desired speed was reached. Multiple focal points could also be used to obtain navigational precision and manoevering. A simple concept not beyond the realms of possibility.
As regards the OP . . . don't trust google earth.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-11-22/australian-scientists-un-discover-pacific-island/4387012
