Posts by lurk

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"Library Card" Defense refuted

by hooberus in

watchtower 1976 10/15 632-6. .

the "mark" of the beast would identify the one having it as belonging to that "wild beast," giving it full support.

ellicott's bible commentary notes that the mark 'surely means the acquiescence to the principals of this tyrannical world-power.'.

lurk

hawkaw

typical ..and the secrecy is in our best interest ive no doubt ....hahahahaha

what was the general attitude of tthe JW that called you?

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"Library Card" Defense refuted

by hooberus in

watchtower 1976 10/15 632-6. .

the "mark" of the beast would identify the one having it as belonging to that "wild beast," giving it full support.

ellicott's bible commentary notes that the mark 'surely means the acquiescence to the principals of this tyrannical world-power.'.

lurk

hi ive been following this un thing on the forum. ive got some questions ...hope you havent heard these to much before.

1) it would be great to get a copy of the 1991 application forms. has this every been achieved??

the WTS must have a copy surely this sort of stuff means each party has a copy of application nd exceptance.

.so this would mean that other NGO's would have copys of there application or acceptance.

I wonder what other NGO's like say the catholic church would allow there copies to be seen ?? after all it cant be a problem for them can it im sure theyd be more than happy to oblidge.

2) the "PREVENTION OF DISCRIMINATION AGAINST AND THE PROTECTION OF MINORITIES" posted on another thread.where did that come from??? if theres stuff like this out there there to view id like to know ..has anyone seen documents discussing say the goals of NGO members? they must have got to gether at some point to discuss goals .

maybe other NGO's would have this stuff.

3) how realistic is the idea of approaching other friendly NGO'S ?

lurk

thanks for the massive work put into all this

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Does god need

by trinity4life in

what did god love before he created?

does god need man to love?

god is love.

lurk

ask them

http://www.watchtower.org/

or were you wanting to teach ppl here ?

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Spells, Wiccans, and Witchcraft

by SpunkyChick in

i just returned home from a nightmarish trip to chicago.

i came in peace, and was shit on by my aunts and a cousin.

what they did was unforgivable.

lurk

i think we live to delude our selves ,life seems to be creating a bubble in which you can survive the realities of life

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Do you believe Christ returned invisibly ? Did Russell make everything up ?

by run dont walk in

in january, 1876, when he was 23 years old, russell received a copy of the herald of the morning, an adventist magazine published by nelson h. barbour of rochester, new york.

one of the distinguishing features of barbour's group at that time was their belief that christ returned invisibly in 1874, and this concept presented in the herald captured russell's attention.

it meant that this adventist splinter group had not remained defeated, as others had, when christ failed to appear in 1874 as adventist leaders had predicted; somehow this small group had managed to hold onto the date by affirming that the lord had indeed returned at the appointed time, only invisibly.

lurk

if you search at the british library and other library catalogues you will find other books about the 7,000 years theory....they werent the first to get these ideas. i found them through seaching watch tower titles

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The cross -- new light?

by robhic in

i could swear that i read here a while back that the wts was softening their position on the cross.

i searched the different forums but either i am completely mistaken or my search technique sucked.

i found nothing relative.. anyway, can anyone shed some light (new or otherwise.... thanks,.

lurk

heheh buffy the vampire slayer introduces the WTS to Mr pointy .I wanna be in the scooby gang.

The cross argument has been used to infer the catholic church and prodestants are lost in paganisum and are not directed by god . They could never go back on it if they did it would have to many reprocutions.

in the article quoted by german its all very reasonable but still manages to hint at the incorrectness of anyone agreeing with a cross theory right at then end even though its just said it doesnt matter.the message is almost subliminal ..very clever.

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Spells, Wiccans, and Witchcraft

by SpunkyChick in

i just returned home from a nightmarish trip to chicago.

i came in peace, and was shit on by my aunts and a cousin.

what they did was unforgivable.

lurk

as far as i understood history an stuff ive seen on witches

the name wicca/wicce (m/f) was pronouced witcha in anglo saxon not wikka which is the modern way of saying it. from anglo saxon witcha you get the word witch ...the name witch was generally used by the church ,the holy rollers and even the early and later medical proffesion , to label any herbal practioner ,midwife and any prosumptious woman evil etc etc because

1) they were jealous ,

2) they were in charge abit like the WTS

3) illness was suppose to be a judgement from god so to heal it ment you must be on satans side which is where it got its black satanic link from.

4) to be anything but a groveling christian must mean your on satans side

i dont know anything else.as for satanic witch craft i think thats just buying in to the churchy later historical perspective ,hollywood ,anton levey,and that other bloke known as the beast (i cant remeber his name ) and all that codswollap . the beast who really did do some bad stuff including killing ppl bought in to the same codswallop and wrecked his own life as he later admitted not long before he died didnt stop him though.

if theres any power out there im pretty sure its not at the beck and call of disaffected ppl looking for excitement in their life.

the only ppl that do bother me is a group whose name i dont know but ive heard of them via a bloke who did a radio interview trying to warn ppl .

they belive in satan not as devil worshippers do but as a real being who only has a short time to do as much damage as possible . to have revenge on humnas while he has time.(thats about the gist of it, i take it its a satan thing )

thier job apparently is to cut of as many ppl as possible from the light.ive heard they live like you and me nice ordinary everyday ppl with kids who get into your life and do what ever it takes to cause you to commit gross sins.so that you cause your own down fall.

the reason they are scary is .there are ppl out there worming thier way in to ppls homes ..holding childrens parties inviting your kids over becoming your best friends etc etc etc.now that is weird. to me and scary .you dont need magic with those ppl just a will to wreck lives,that to me is real evil.

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ive been thinking again

by lurk in

i was thinking isnt it strange how everything in the bible like prophecys and god telling ppl what to do etc was always relayed by dreams ,visions and real things seen and heard .but today theres is nothing.

just flashes of light new teachings that dont come via any usual way god does things.

when he told ppl stuff in the bible he got into a dream or they heard his voice.so how do they come about for the wts?

lurk

L@ unique1 ,freein89 , hamas.

i wish id said it sooner.so im not the only one thinking theres no real proof.phewwwwwwww deep breath

grumby.you dont belive in it anymore?

i was hoping there was something in it, it would be nice to have something better to come.somthing better than this world to put i right.

young men having visions and stuff? m that would upset the WTS if its members started having visons not sanctioned by the WTS.it would almost be an act of independance.

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Spells, Wiccans, and Witchcraft

by SpunkyChick in

i just returned home from a nightmarish trip to chicago.

i came in peace, and was shit on by my aunts and a cousin.

what they did was unforgivable.

lurk

"Any legitimate Witch, Wiccan, or Magician " whose them ? the governing body of witches?

Do the "real" witches" do they excommunicate the non ligitimate witches ? I also know a family of "witches" unfortunelty not to sucessfull lol.Its very popular round here with the women .though no ones seems to be actually able to do anything .

witches are very dissapointing since they lost the (old traditional church lead )old hag in league with satan badge.at least they were scary then but now they just go around saying lovely wispy fluffy pink things and spreading love and harmony. yuck bring back hansel and gretel and the freaky old hags in black .this new age stuff is wrecking the spooks and gooks industry.

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ive been thinking again

by lurk in

i was thinking isnt it strange how everything in the bible like prophecys and god telling ppl what to do etc was always relayed by dreams ,visions and real things seen and heard .but today theres is nothing.

just flashes of light new teachings that dont come via any usual way god does things.

when he told ppl stuff in the bible he got into a dream or they heard his voice.so how do they come about for the wts?

lurk

i was thinking isnt it strange how everything in the bible like prophecys and god telling ppl what to do etc was always relayed by dreams ,visions and real things seen and heard .but today theres is nothing

just flashes of light new teachings that dont come via any usual way god does things. when he told ppl stuff in the bible he got into a dream or they heard his voice.so how do they come about for the WTS? well theres the coal story.

proclaimers book 1993 pages 577-8 26 Producing Bible Literature for Use in the Ministry "Brother Rutherford instructed C. A. Wise, the Society's vice president, to go to Brooklyn to see about reopening Bethel and renting premises where the Society could begin printing operations. Desirous of knowing what course God would bless, Brother Rutherford said: "Go and see whether it is the Lord's will for us to return back to Brooklyn."
"How will I determine as to whether it is the Lord's will for us to go back or not?" asked Brother Wise.
"It was a failure to get coal supplies in 1918 that drove us from Brooklyn back to Pittsburgh," Brother Rutherford replied. "Let's make coal the test. You go and order some coal."
"How many tons do you think I should order to make the test?"
"Well, make it a good test," Brother Rutherford recommended. "Order 500 tons."
That is exactly what Brother Wise did. And what was the outcome? When he applied to the authorities, he was granted a certificate to get 500 tons of coal-enough to care for their needs for a number of years! But where were they going to put it? Large sections of the basement of the Bethel Home were converted into coal storage.
The result of this test was taken as an unmistakable indication of God's will."

when i was akid i used to say ..if that car parks on the right side of the road im going to get a bike for my birthday..if it parks on the left im not going to get one...surly the coal story is no better than that and certainly nothing like gods representitives on earth/the prophets and there connection with god?

in the bible a request would have been made to god and advice via the prophet and the answer would have been given via the prophet.isreal never had gods phrophets saying go to war if we lose he didnt want us to do it if we win he did.........he would ask what should we do and get answer from god himself .lots of instances for gods advice are in the bible . but yet the WTS doesnt not make a request .

if you dont get an answer theres no one there or your not a prophet surely?

everything is unvisible and unseen no vision no dreams no nothing .even jesus second coming (according to the bible all men will see it and theres signs in heaven and earth) came with out any signs whats so ever.....WW1 ?..... er no one mention the boer war and all the other wars before that nepoleonnic etc.....er wasnt that a sign of christ coming in 19th century?

truth is if anyone in the Org today said i had a dream or i saw a vision .ppl would get a doctor to him.if he heard voices they would say he was mentally ill .spiritual things are the last thing to be attributed in the attempt to be more scientific and reasonable,not so in the meetings though.....if a fly drops dead when some one says the word revelation you can be sure someone will say thats a sign .