Posts by lurk

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Comments You Will Not Hear at the 5-2-04 WT Study (3-15-04)

by blondie in

are you an elder in the congregation?

timothy 5:17, ephesians 5:23; hebrews 6:10-12).

yes, an elder needs to ?accomplish his ministry fully.?

lurk

Elders "who work hard in speaking
and teaching" are noted by God and Christ, as well as by fellow
Witnesses of Jehovah. (! Timothy 5:17, Ephesians 5:23; Hebrews

get this job and get respectttttttttttttttttttt ,no more putting up with sister wisecracks

Jesus patiently explalined things because he had a keen
interest in others.?Matthew 16:5-12.

the WT has an odd way of saying things..or is it just me that thinks this is odd?,it makes him sound like a do gooder or nosey neightbour ,when it was far easier to say he explained things patiently cause he wanted the crowds to understand what he ment .

how gratifying it is when Bible students acknowledge that ?God is
really among us?! 1 Corinthians 14:24,25)

they could have quoted mathew 18:20..and had jesus amoung us.

The apostle contrasts the new covenant made with spiritual
Israel through Jesus Christ with the old Law covenant made
with natural Israel through Moses. Paul adds that when Moses
came down from Mount Sinai with the tablets containing the
Ten Commandments, his face was so bright that the Israelites
could not gaze intently at it. In time, though, something
far more serious took place because "their mental powers wer
e dulled" and a veil came to be upon their hearts.

WTS law code is law for true christians

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Join the Unsaved recruting people for the Great crowd of other sheep.

by XQsThaiPoes in

i am extending an invitation for people to join the ranks of the legions of unsaved people.

i will be baptizing people as jehovah's witnesses.

if they believe the following at http://www.watchtower.org/library/jt/article_03.htm.

lurk

is there a badge? or a bag of goodies? or a free tv? or car valet? mobile phone?

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Complainers are irksome, TMS for April 2004

by jgnat in

i am alternately enraged that the wts would again lay all responsiblility for their unhappiness back on the congregation, and encouraged that there are enough vocal members for headquarters to notice.

here are some questions back to the wts.the israealites waited 40 years for the promise.

how much longer must the "other sheep" follow you before they realize they are following the wrong shepherd?moses ran a gauntlet of miracles that pharoah could not match.

lurk

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WTS law and oral law

by lurk in

has the wts commited the same folly as the writers of the oral law?

in a magazine some years ago there was an article on the oral law.

it discribed how the oral law was developed to be like a fence around the writen law to prevent ppl from breaking the writen law.the article showed how the priests, who invented the law ,were laying a burden on jehovahs ppl that the didnt need ,sort of saying how wrong and misdirected the priests were.

lurk

the messages are almost subliminal at times

yet theres this definate NT law code running through the WTS

random your kidding!!!!!!!!

the WTS should be made to declare all its rules

let the donkey see the carot and the stick

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WTS law and oral law

by lurk in

has the wts commited the same folly as the writers of the oral law?

in a magazine some years ago there was an article on the oral law.

it discribed how the oral law was developed to be like a fence around the writen law to prevent ppl from breaking the writen law.the article showed how the priests, who invented the law ,were laying a burden on jehovahs ppl that the didnt need ,sort of saying how wrong and misdirected the priests were.

lurk

has the WTS commited the same folly as the writers of the oral law?

in a magazine some years ago there was an article on the oral law.

it discribed how the oral law was developed to be like a fence around the writen law to prevent ppl from breaking the writen law.The article showed how the priests, who invented the law ,were laying a burden on jehovahs ppl that the didnt need ,sort of saying how wrong and misdirected the priests were.

i was thinking that the WTS has done the same thing with the new testement.

after all its a collection of the history of jesus and the letters of his followers (imperfect men)but non of the NT exsisted when jesus died as a ransom for us.so its not part of faith or the thing that saves .

It almost like there the NT has replaced the law code ,while alwas refering back to the law code in the margin referances .on top of that you have the added WTS /oral law such as dont be on your own with opposite sex ,the appearence of evil (which i read about in happymans post )

(seems like jesus sacrifice gets by passed to refer backwards to the law too)

rather than a guide and reference to chrstians its liek its taken over as a rule book with a fence round it

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the most inconseqvent rule among JWs

by happy man in

i can take one exampel.. we all now about the polyci to convickt sexabuser ot pedofiles,you must have two wittneses to what happend if not we must putt it i n jehovas hand,.

but if you sleep over together before you are married, you dont need any wittneses att al to be dfd or reeprofed, even if it is a third person ther it is an dfd thing says the elder book.enen if it is an third person ther.. why it is so important widh two wittneses to judge sexabuser, but when it comes to peopel as doing nothing only sleep over in the same department it need no wittneses att al to bad things happend to dfd them.. so you can be harder judged if you only sleep in a bed than if you rape chilrden, or sex abuse them in any way,this is not so unusal, i have among my family peopel as have been judged fore this minor thing, sleeping over widhuot doing anything, the punishment was totaly reeprof.. i have also exampel from elder as have use girls under 15 fore porniea, and the punishment was only steep down as an elder.. some very hard things to deal widh fore mee and some alse as now this.. i can also ask one more qestion, wt have told us to tell evrythnig bad we do at once, but if we hide it fore a long time, how will it effeckt the puishment?.

softer or harder , intresting to see what your answer on this is, i new it and will tell later.. ..

lurk

in what other cases is "the appearence of evil used" ? this is new to me.

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Contradiction or new light ?

by Motema Bolingo in

in the wt dated 1st of april 2004, last page, there is an article entitled "should we invoke the angels ?

" (sorry, it is my own translation, because i have the magazine in french).. the article specifies that "the bible reveals only the name of two faithfull angels : mikael and daniel.".

in the next paragraph, the society declares "that angels are not intercessors who bring our prayers before god's throne.

lurk

Since we are told the names of just two angels, how would it be possible to address our prayers to an angel by name? Clearly it wouldn't be possible, for we don't know them by name. Thus, we would not be able to get our prayers to God through an angel.

ozzie

they could be listening .you dont have to know someones there to be overheard.

i really dont like the idea of angles or god seeing everyhting you do.there must be some real ewwwwww moments espacially in bathrooms.

archangle gabriel must have seen some sights

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Contradiction or new light ?

by Motema Bolingo in

in the wt dated 1st of april 2004, last page, there is an article entitled "should we invoke the angels ?

" (sorry, it is my own translation, because i have the magazine in french).. the article specifies that "the bible reveals only the name of two faithfull angels : mikael and daniel.".

in the next paragraph, the society declares "that angels are not intercessors who bring our prayers before god's throne.

lurk

why do many churchs and christians call gabriel the Archangel gabriel then?

i cant find arch mentioned with gabriel

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the most inconseqvent rule among JWs

by happy man in

i can take one exampel.. we all now about the polyci to convickt sexabuser ot pedofiles,you must have two wittneses to what happend if not we must putt it i n jehovas hand,.

but if you sleep over together before you are married, you dont need any wittneses att al to be dfd or reeprofed, even if it is a third person ther it is an dfd thing says the elder book.enen if it is an third person ther.. why it is so important widh two wittneses to judge sexabuser, but when it comes to peopel as doing nothing only sleep over in the same department it need no wittneses att al to bad things happend to dfd them.. so you can be harder judged if you only sleep in a bed than if you rape chilrden, or sex abuse them in any way,this is not so unusal, i have among my family peopel as have been judged fore this minor thing, sleeping over widhuot doing anything, the punishment was totaly reeprof.. i have also exampel from elder as have use girls under 15 fore porniea, and the punishment was only steep down as an elder.. some very hard things to deal widh fore mee and some alse as now this.. i can also ask one more qestion, wt have told us to tell evrythnig bad we do at once, but if we hide it fore a long time, how will it effeckt the puishment?.

softer or harder , intresting to see what your answer on this is, i new it and will tell later.. ..

lurk

what about if 2 married couples slept in the same house together? the wife is not married to the other wife husband . isnt that temping each other to have sex ? or even wife swoping?

what about 2 girls sleeping in same house or bed .? .

my mum used to sleep with her sister ,in the old days no one thought bad stuff about ppl who did that .but even then there were lesbians .but ppl just didn think badly of everyoine cause a few women were at it .

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Comments You Will Not Hear at the 4-18-04 WT Study

by blondie in

comments you will not hear at the 4-18-04 (week of 4/12-18, 2004) wt study (march 1, 2004 issue)

review comments will be in black and parentheses ().

wt quotes will be in red and quotes "".

lurk

The idea that jehovah has a lie taught(1914 end of world) to get rid of the ppl who it stumbles is terrible.(cause it to be preached-proclaimers book?)

The idea that jehovah let his servant the WTS believe in that lie so as to teach it to others who will be dammed if they dont except it and dammed if they leave when it doesnt happen is disgusting and somthing you would expect from satan.

The idea that god did this on top of telling all men not to say when the end is coming because no man knows not even the son makes god out to be one nasty mind twisting peice of work.

the WTS seems willing to slander jehovah in order to be in charge and to be right.

and they have the cheek to sneer at the pope

Comments You Will Not Hear at the 4-11-04 (week of 4/5-11/2004) WT Study (March 1, 2004 WT)

Well, might the term "faithful and discreet slave" apply
in a general sense to each individual Christian? It is true
that all Christians must be faithful and discreet; however,
Jesus clearly had something more in mind when he spoke of "the
faithful and discreet slave." How do we know that? Because he

Comments You Will Not Hear at the 4-18-04 (week of 4/12-18, 2004) WT Study (March 1, 2004 issue)

12 After illustrating discretion, Jesus went on to illustrate
faithfulness. He said: "It is just as when a man, about to travel
abroad, summoned slaves of his and committed to them his belongings.
And to one he gave five talents, to another two, to still another
one, to each one according to his own ability, and he went abroad."
(Matthew 25:14,15) The man in the parable is Jesus himself, who
"went abroad" when he ascended to heaven in the year 33 CE. But
before his ascension, Jesus committed "his belongings" to his
faithful disciples. How?
said that the "master on arriving" would appoint the slave "over
all his belongings." How could each individual Christian be placed
over everything?over "all" of the Lord?s belongings? Impossible!

there are lots of slaves here and since no one individual can be the
slave who are the rest of these slaves who all seem approved of in the talents parable?

.I showed the original article to an older friend who had studied in 1970 i then photocopied proof that they had said all this stuff . she couldnt belive that this was the same society who she had studied with but she does belive it now.

Blondie i have to say a big thank you today.dispite all the proof of the WTS lies , i still get torn apart by huge feelings of guilt and remorse .your article helped me to face this week knowing they have done wrong and i am not the one at fault for no longer seeing them as gods servant.

thanks