godrulz: At least I appreciate your continuous efforts! Thanks a lot. I think you can help me to accept Jesus, because I constantly feel like the good man in this illustration:
I think we - as ex-JW should seriously think about these fine examples!
Posts by Intel
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122This convention blows
by Anony Mous inseriously, half day in (already had an argument with the wife this morning about individuality in the organization in which she conceded that a lot of it is based on looks) and this is already getting on my nerves.
i'll post a rebuttal based on my annotations later in the week but one thing i got to get off my mind: saying the feminist movement (women going to work instead of staying home) and the diversity laws (allowing for homosexuality - but also religious freedom, racial discrimination etc.
) caused a lot of the problems in our world right from the stage.. there are less people here than last year - about 500 less..
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New to this site. Scared, Lonely and in a lot of pain due to shunning by my family.
by wonder*woman inthis is my very first post to this forum.
i am begging for some much needed encouragment and support by those who are kind hearted and know exactly the pain shunning causes.
i am a 30 year old former jehovah's witness and a mother of two beautiful girls.
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Intel
Dear wonder*woman,
Welcome. A warm welcome. Actually it has been 20 something days since I posted similar words to this forum...(you can read my experience, we're all the same).
The pain will not go away......but it will become "softer".....more bearable.....by the day....believe me....I've had nice days....and this forum is helping me to never forget why we are leaving the cult.....and filling our lifes with valuable things to think about.
Here is an inspirational video that I love!!!!! Actually don't think about the person being his father.....people here will be your friends and others that are seeing what you are going through....even today I received a call from a wonderful new friend that is worried about me!!! He is not even "family" and is more concerned than my own mother!
Enjoy (and others too): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZlXWp6vFdE
I will check back on you my dear. Hang on!!!! Please, life WILL be wonderful!!!
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Samuel Herd a Murderer?
by Damn The Watchtower inhello folks,.
i feel like a fish who has been struggling for oxygen so long he's almost dead.
time to grow some legs and get the hell out of hell.
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Intel
I know Samuel Herd - personally - he used to stay with us! Believe me, don't expect too much of him....he couldn't do it (and with that, I am not excusing anyone of them)....
...myself being an Atheist and truly free of confusing/conflicting thoughts about the WT Org.......
I welcome you to this Forum!!!!
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After the victory in France, JW's take the streets in celebration.
by NomadSoul inhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nunm7rzhs_o.
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Looks pretty much idiotic to me....
Guy in white shirt and red/orange tie: ready to leave the cult....having to much fun, using the opportunity to let "the pigs out". I can see him ready to post here... ....at 0:33 he even shows real "sexual lust" for that prude pioneer sister in the black skirt....he would really bang her if he could!
Pioneer Sister in brown/beige:....look at 1:12....she is having regrets....she shouldn't be here dancing, she still has 356 mags to place and there are 139 not at homes that she has to cross....and what about that Bangalore family that can't speak french but desperately need to get baptized in a cult? Shauders running through her spine....I can see it.
Brother "Lilac-Suit": at 1:42......he has stayed Ministerial Servant for 15 years.....became the "Ministerial-Servant"-Whore-Type of guy...you know, the one that has to do all the shitty work that elders don't wanna do, but since he is so "willing" he has to come 1 hour earlier to open up the Kingdom Hall.....he has to direct the service meeting on saturdays, because the elders have to go shopping or do yardwork and this poor fella always willing to go the extra mile.....he is slightly on the edge....and sometimes he has to be counseled because his talks are "rough" and he is sometimes to fanatic about technology and thinks you have to slap your 15 year old son, because he is text messaging and stuff....devil stuff....although he has a problem with drinking.....the elders close their eyes...who would open the Kingdom Hall and do the KH Cleaning duties? If not him.....
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Tonight I disassociated myself - after 24 years - had 2 hour meeting with Elder
by Intel ini am now sitting at home.
my wife left with my little child.
my fault (i dislike the word "fault", but don't have a better one right now).. it feels strange, relieved and free, at the same time it was all very strange.
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Intel
Thanks NewChapter and all the others for your interest in me! You have shown more interest than some of my relatives, LOL.
I have not come back to this thread (but have visited the forum and commented on other topics), mainly for two reasons: one is to distance myself from feeling "miserable" and repeating how nauseating all of this is and second, there are many others here seeking help and I didn't wanted to "be in the spotlight"....
....I was in the "spotlight" for too many god damned years (Talks at District Conventions, Elder school talks, public talks, substitute circuit overseer talks,....) and I hated it.
The last time I posted was 17 days ago. My first 17 days as a non-Witness. To all of you that are contemplating this. Here goes the record.
First of all, it will be different from person to person, from situation to situation. I have been preparing myself for this step over a period of five years (fading, all the way down). I am a very social person (I kind of had two or three good "worldly" friends who are helping me to cope and forget). The first week I continuously received text messages on my cellphone, emails, phone calls from Witnesses, relatives and non-relatives.
Some of them where very hurtful, to such a point that I stopped reading them and started to delete any message. I tried to get into some kind of routine and left our home. Found a neat place to live for a while and to concentrate on new things (my bucket list was ALWAYS full of interesting stuff).
In the meantime I got to see my baby girl once! I enjoyed EVERY minute and played with her, took her out to the playground. It hurts to be separated. My (ex)-wife offered to reunite and continue as a family, but I have to buck and give up - repent and coming back to the "loving arms of the organization"....oh yeah, and go see a psych and take some medicine! My mind is crystal clear, I have a demanding job (Finance related) where I have plenty of responsability and the suggestion was to go and take some anti-depressants and come back to the meetings.
F&%$ THAT! I don't need a doctor and even suggesting that is insulting.
Last weekend I went out (for the first time in years) to have some drinks with my good friend, laughter, talking....enjoying life in a simple and yet wonderful form. My (ex)-wife asked me where I was between x and y hour, because I didn't answered the phone....I could have said to go to &%$, but out of respect and to be open and clear I told her what I did. She screamed why I was going out with "these worldly people"....
I told her that they are family fathers, not some blood-drunken-evil-punks, nobody took drugs, went into bar fights or spent the night with five hookers. Just eating out, having a couple of drinks (nobody drunk) and going home. Thats it!
Whatever, I will start to go out more often and build up a social life. Just like normal human beings.
Resuming: I've had STRONG pain, mainly because I miss my little girl. AT THE SAME TIME (and this is amazing that you can have two strong feelings, going almost at the same time) I feel the sweet feeling of victory and FREEDOM of MIND! Which is invaluable.
Yes, Life is going well. So far, so good.
Thanks for asking. I will keep you updated, if you are interested to accompany me in this journey and at the same time helping others to see that THERE IS LIFE at the other side of the wall...think about it!
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2011 District Convention "Let Us Be Bored and Confused Into Obedience"
by ranmac inthis has already been discussed but i need to vent.. i just spent the most painful weekend of my life sitting thru this years dc.
what an unbelievably pointless, soulless and demeaning spectacle the assemblies are.
the three days were a blur of monotanous droning and brainwashing.
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Well, my family is now at the ASS...embly.....
.....I skipped for the first time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What a f%$# relieve.....and yet they will come on Monday trying to desperately save my apostate ass....
.....No regrets. Breathing freedom.....sweet, sweet freedom.....I will remind myself DAILY for the rest of my life how valuable and precious freedom is! Freedom of Thought, Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Choice.......those are my "Ferraris" and "Mansions"!!!
I wish you the same and even more my friend.
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How To Leave Jehovah's Witnesses Easily and Painlessly
by Daniel Metz ini have just thought of a way to leave jehovah's witnesses using information from the new shepherd the flock of god book.
it's quite simply: rebaptism.
here are the steps:.
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Intel
To Daniel and others:
There is no "Easy" exit or "Painless" exit if you have family, hardcore Witnesses into the cult. Leaving is seldom easy or painless.
Besides that, we try so hard to avoid pain. The last couple of days (I am no longer a Witness for 9 days now....going, going, going) I realized that this whole idea of "no pain" was ingrained into our little witnesses brain (paradise, not even pooping will be painful) and is not necessary in order to enjoy life. Pain and Joy go hand in hand. Why avoid one and only seek the other???
I did this process "cold turkey" - totally painful (my mother and sisters writing me emails that I don't even want to repeat here because of the negativity in them!!!! and the emotional blackmailing has been very strong - getting emails from Bethelites - former "colleagues" from all over the world....wow....some of them didn't write me FOR YEARS....and are now "concerned" and "convinced that I still love Jehovah" that I am "lost and derailed by the red guy".....I don't even believe in the devil (WHAT A RELIEF!!!! THIS alone is worth it....Atheism is good).
Yep. Cold Turkey was the way to go out in blazing glory!!!!!
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Tonight I disassociated myself - after 24 years - had 2 hour meeting with Elder
by Intel ini am now sitting at home.
my wife left with my little child.
my fault (i dislike the word "fault", but don't have a better one right now).. it feels strange, relieved and free, at the same time it was all very strange.
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Thanks again. This is good. Sharing the past 48 hours with all of you has been a very interesting thing to do!
Billy the Ex-Bethelite > Thanks to you. A very complete description about how things are! I appreciate your comments, since we were "former buddies" ;-) (ex-Bethelite, too)
RagingBull > Appreciate the positive message that comes through with your comment!!!!! :-)
sizemik > YEP! Lots and lots of things happening fast and at the same time!!! I think I would like to write a book (in the future)....
THIS is how I am going to act towards lifes hardships!
(movie is graphical intense if you don't like to see animals hunting other animals! Nevertheless this is how nature works! This is an animal documentary with a specific event that teaches us a lesson!!!):
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Tonight I disassociated myself - after 24 years - had 2 hour meeting with Elder
by Intel ini am now sitting at home.
my wife left with my little child.
my fault (i dislike the word "fault", but don't have a better one right now).. it feels strange, relieved and free, at the same time it was all very strange.
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Intel
Wow. Today was a hard day. My mother called...I didn't wanted to talk to her.....avoided phone....then a new "worldly friend" offered me his help beyond what I could imagine (financially this could set me free for a while)!!!!
The next minute my beloved sister wrote me a one page email.....basically calling me all kinds of things....comparing me to Satan, wishing me death (I am totally serious! This was from my sister that specially liked me...we were very good friends.....but now :-(
I could not imagine HER writing such a hateful letter.....I wrote a one line back, saying that I forgive her and that for myself I hate nobody and wish nobody harm. Period.
This REALLY hit me hard.....seeing a Therapist...well I can't quite make my mind up.....but will look into the possibility.
Thanks to you all. This is now where the rubber hits the road...I guess, I'm going from the theoretical part to the Reality-part of my decision.
Intel
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Tonight I disassociated myself - after 24 years - had 2 hour meeting with Elder
by Intel ini am now sitting at home.
my wife left with my little child.
my fault (i dislike the word "fault", but don't have a better one right now).. it feels strange, relieved and free, at the same time it was all very strange.
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Intel
Whoa...
Wait a minute...
I wrote only a one-liner - back in 1983, I think...
I wrote:
"I no longer wish to be associated with the Jehovah's Witnesses."
Well, I covered everything. I also used that one liner (a MUST), I included the sentence that I am doing this "out of my own will, without any other influence" > this one covers the point that could be alleged that you were coerced to do the letter. I also wrote that "I am in control of my full mental capabilities." > not some crazy flash thought, mental breakdown, etc. and "that I do not wish to be contacted or to be visited to talk about changing my mind." (more or less, i used shorter, legalese wording). Every corner covered!
I sent the letter out by mail, but I also went personally to one elder to state the same, so that everything is covered and definite.
I wondered myself about his comment that a JC would never accept me back. I was not nasty, I didn't do the "bad apostate boy" thing. I was calm and friendly and stated everything in a reasonable, logical way. I even told him that I do not wish to enter into details of my belief system, because I could influence HIS way of thinking which I respect. I also told him that I am not here to talk about the "dirty laundry" of the Society.