Posts by LyinEyes

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ANYONE TRY HYPNOSIS?

by Mary in

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i'm considering trying hypnosis to help me win my everlasting battle with weight, but naturally i have feelings of guilt because we were told as jws that we cannot use hypnosis....... .

anyway, has anyone here ever tried hypnosis?

i would be interested in hearing if it helped you at all.

LyinEyes

I have thought about this myself. I went to a physcotherapist who wanted to put me under hypnosis?

I was still a JW , but it didnt bother my conscious at all, to do. I didnt do it because I was afraid.

I wasnt afraid of what might the doctor my do to me, or anything like that at all.

I was afraid of what I might find out, that I have filed away so long ago. At the time I was in one of the lowest moments in my life, about a year before I ever thought of leaving JW. The reason the doctor wanted to put me under , is suspected past child abuse in a form I can't even comprehend. I was, and still am afraid to find out. I wonder if I could handle the truth . I know they say you should face your fears and when you are ready you will know. I still don't know if I am ready,or if I ever will be. I think I know somewhere even on the tip of my conscious level some of the things that happened to me. But I feel was very , very young. There is a feeling I have about someone who abused me, in ways I do remember, I can't imagine it being worse. I always thought that being hypnotized would not work on me, I don't know if I would let myself admit who did terrible things to me. All the doctors I have been to in the past, always ask me if I was sexually abused. I tell them no, they say there are things I say that lead them to beleive I was. I am 35 yrs old and how could you forget that? Could it have happended when you were so young, you might not ever know really?I wonder if you can just let it go, or will it eat at your subconscious forever until you face the facts?

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We're not going to church today....

by Valis in

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just thought i would share something that brought a smile to my face.

i talked to my 5 year old claire on sunday.

the first words out of her mouth were "hi daddy!

LyinEyes

Way to go Claire!!!!!!!!!

Valis, seems like you are doing a good job, teaching little Claire to be one to speak her mind.

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M.E illness amongst jehovahs witnesses?

by haujobbz in

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i have always wondered why so many jws i knew suffered from the illness "m.e" previous to being a jw i never heard of this illness but when joining the borg i noticed noticed so many jws saying all of a sudden they had m.e maybe its a jw disease trend.

anyhow what does m.e stand for.. haujobbz

LyinEyes

I went to doctors for years for juvinile arthritis and live with great pain in my childhood. I had surgery for my feet in my teens. I also had mono , that lasted a year, because I had a second relapse that was worse than the original one. I missed alot of school that year, also about the time I had my surgery. I could have caught the virus from the hospital the doctors say. Then in my adult years the muscle pain started with a fury like I had never felt before, pain that I can say feels like a migraine in your muscles. I had to get shots of demerol to stop the pain. I have migraines and they went hand in hand , sometimes one whole side of my body hurt while the other side was pain free. Every test was done and I even believed it was" all in my head". The elders sure didnt understand it. They would make remarks to my husband , "well , Dede seemed fine yesterday , I saw her at Wal-Mart". This really hurt, because I had good days when I was able to do what I needed to do, and days when I couldnt walk. They had no clue what suffering from fibromyalgia was all about, they did think you were using it as an excuse to be lazy and miss meetings. I pushed myself with 3 kids to keep up until I couldnt anymore. Then the Awake came out with an article on this illness, and all of a sudden they started to think maybe it is real......... it took the WT org, to tell them what to think. There was one elder who did show an interest, he even while at the library looked up fibromyalgia to understand how I was feeling. I often wondered if he looked it up to see if it was real or was he really concerned. But regardless, of his reasons, he did understand more than the others did. It is very hurtful for others to make statements as to your health, when you do not want to be sick , you would do anything to be able to do as much as others. I will say in my case, being a JW was very stressful and alot of my physical problems that I had as a child , and still have, are only worsened by stress. But that does not mean the pain is not real, or we make it happen to ourselves. I know that can happen , but why do some judge others, it would be better to be kind and helpful , understanding than saying they are causing it upon themselves. That kind of thinking is so typical of Jw's , towards the end of my borgdom, I didnt care what anyone thought, I knew I felt bad and to hell with proving it to them. I even thought of getting a detailed doctors report, excuse if you will , on why I felt like crap. It is sad, that they make you feel so low and ashamed for being sick.

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The Dreaded Elder Visit

by Big Tex in

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i just need to get this off my chest.

my wife, nina, received a visit tonight from her book study conductor and his wife.

now she's made every meeting since i stopped going 14 years ago.

LyinEyes

I feel so sorry for ya'll, god that breaks my heart. Glad to hear he is doing better. I know what you mean about the arthritis cream, i used it too and it burnt my skin so bad and I too got it in my eye even after I washed myhands several times. Ya'll have been thru alot ,, glad to hear you still have your sense of humor, about not setting foot back in the hall!!!!!!!!!!! Sounds like you need some time away from that crap anyway. It is just too much stress to try and live up to what they want you to do, even when you believe it to be true. When I started doubting it to be true, it was harder and harder to go and listen to their crap.

Have a cup of tea and put your feet up , and Big Tex and little tex too, yall deserve it.

Hugs , Dede

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WTBTS & Plato Bashing

by Valis in

i remember so many times during my youth sitting at one convention or another and listening to the speaker rationalize the wt view of the bible and always subtly throwing in a bit of plato bashing.

i've been trying to work this over in my head and then it occured to me that maybe what they obejected to was plato's analogy of the cave.

just for those of you who don't know... plato had an analogy about perception and what reality is without truth and reason.

LyinEyes

Very interesting , I have never heard of the cave analogy, guess I was to busy playing with the Play Dough( aka the WT and other silly repetitive publications) to see the light outside of that cave.

That was funny Gopher about the Play Dough

I remember alot of talk in a magazine and talks about the "worldly knowlegde " of these scholars and other wise men. The WT discouraged such learning because even thou these were consider wise men by the "world", they were senseless empty thinking. They had us convinced that we were smarter than these men, because we had" the knowledge that leads to eternal life" , and basically that was all we needed to know. Still pisses me off to even repeat that phrase. So we listened to them and went right along with it, blinded by the WT's use of mind control. To even study on these men's philosphies would be a waste of time, time we could be using to preach( sell magazines).

They use the same tactics on JW's on reading apostate material, it is useless to do so, since they already have the "truth". The real truth should hold up to anything eles you read , you don't need the WT to tell you what is right and wrong. They really do just want to take all free will and free thinking away, to control their members.

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Music To Die By....

by hillary_step in

i am told by those stupid enough to be called my friends, that i think about death far too often for comfort.

this blemish on an otherwise perfect character is probably a gift of nationality as many of my comrades seem to spend whole days toasting seats in corner cafes, lethargically discussing the latest obituary and predicting the size and quality of the tombstone.

whenever i visit the mountainous village of my birth, it strikes me that i have seen these same people drinking campari in these same bars for almost four decades.

LyinEyes

I havent really made out my funeral music yet. But I am not sure I would play anything with words , because of my children , unless I die an old lady and they are old enough to understand. I guess I always thought I would die young, weird I just thought of that.

I do have some song written down to leave for my kids, if I pass,two in particular to express how I feel about them and how I want them to remember about me.

One is "You were always on my mind" song by Elvis and Willie Nelson, my kids would understand why I love this song.

I would dedicate the song " I hope you Dance", by LeeAnne Womack, because I would want them to LIVE LIFE TO THE FULLEST, and never regret not going after their dreams.

If I were sick and dying , and only had hours to live, the music would have to be the Rhapsody.... just hearing that music makes me think of angels and heaven. Even thou I am not sure there is such a place. I watched the movie" Somewhere in Time" and the whole soundtrack is wonderful. If you have seen the movie, the last scene, is what I would like to invision as I pass on. Peaceful and beautiful.

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Photoshop Competition!

by Rado Vleugel in

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inspired by englishman's caption competition.... .

rado vleugel.

http://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org/

LyinEyes

Oh these are great you guys!!!!!!!!!! LMAO

Keep 'em coming, I need lots of laughs today.

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The Dreaded Elder Visit

by Big Tex in

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i just need to get this off my chest.

my wife, nina, received a visit tonight from her book study conductor and his wife.

now she's made every meeting since i stopped going 14 years ago.

LyinEyes

Way to go, Cruz!!!!!!!!!!!! You seem to really have your game plan down good. My hubsband and I did and it worked that way for us for about a year. Then we got "caught" lol smoking, and got ratted on. We just got tired of hiding things we did, we like to go out to dance and drink on weekends, since we never had any fun for so long. We do lots of other things too, things with the kids , movies, outdoor events, etc. My hub likes a good cigar now when he drinks a beer, and I was just really curious about smoking. I know it was really crazy to pick up one and risk getting addicted to them at my age , but I said what the hay,,,,,,, turns out I was right , I don't like cigs.

But anyway,,,,,,, I tend to ramble.......this MS ratted on us and our elder was told and they wanted to meet. It was either lie, or get d/f or to d/a ourselves.

We had talked about the scenerio if we did get caught doing something that would make them give us a call. Since we felt that we wanted to be the ones to make the choices in our lives, right or wrong, we would wait it out and deal with it as it came along. We knew that we could get caught smoking, as we go to a nice dance club and it is a public place. I have ran into several JW's there, the ones that are "spiritually weak", or leading a double life.

Honestly it was not that bad , making my choice to d/a myself. In my heart I already have. But we did tell the elder that the reason for us was not smoking, as I don't smoke anymore, but that we don't agree with the WT anymore and the way they handle things. I am sure many will think it was the smoking, but I intend on telling anyone who will listen the REAL reason we d/a ourselves.

You sound like a strong woman , keep us posted on what happens, and keep up the good work.

I know what you mean about a little one being in pain, my youngest is 7 and has an earache, that kept him up ALL night........ it is hard to deal with , you want the pain to go away so bad. Can you tell me a little more about this illness he had? I have heard a little bit about it, but my 15 yr old has arthritis as do I, and it has flared up really bad in his ankles this last week. I am thinking it is football practice, but before that we all had some kind of virus. Thanks, Dede

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A Time to Weep. A Time to Mourn

by Swan in

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last week my niece died in a car crash.

she was only 18 years old.

i haven't seen her since she was 10. i missed her all that time.

LyinEyes

Hey Swan, so very sorry to hear about your lose and a beautiful life cut short. Sending you many hugs your way, you have friends here who care deeply for you, never feel alone anymore.

You asked if any of us have delt with not being allowed to greive in the way other people do becaue we are JW's.

OH YEAH!!!! That happend to me back when I was just 18 yrs old. My mom committed suicide and was d/f at the time of her death. No one came to her funeral or even sent a card or flowers.

The elders told me to go in service that would help get my mind off of it. That it was in Jehovah's hands now. Some of the so called friends even judged her to not get a resurrection because she killed herself and was d/f. I should have punched their lights out for saying that , but I was young and stupid I guess. Any time I got emotional about my mom , it was it made them to uncomfortable to listen to it. All that was talked about was to involve mysel in Jehovah's work.

I somehow managed to keep it bottled up for about 5 yrs, then the damn of emotion broke lose. It was a hard time for me, and never have felt such pain. I should have been allowed to greive for her 5 yrs earlier, the way that you should. I never really even mourned for her in the way I needed to until after I left the borg a year ago. Holding back tears, trying to be strong will make you sick. Sick in the mind and body, and is not going to stop the pain,,,, you may be able to stop it temporaly , but it will come back with a vengence.

So , Swan , you cry, you send cards , even if they don't read them, call if you want. You don't have to play by their rules anymore. You have the freedom to express yourself , I hope you do and don't bottle it up.

There are many good and healthy ways to show honor to your young neice that died. By doing what YOU feel is right , will help you with your lose.

Again sending hugs and sympathy your way ,

Dede

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The Dreaded Elder Visit

by Big Tex in

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i just need to get this off my chest.

my wife, nina, received a visit tonight from her book study conductor and his wife.

now she's made every meeting since i stopped going 14 years ago.

LyinEyes

Oh MY GOD,,,,,,, this makes me so mad!!! Your family sounds like ya'll have been thru hell. There is nothing like having a sick child and no one giving a damn. You are 100% right they are only showing concern because they want to, at the last minute impress someone, or get their butts out of trouble for not helping sooner.

I went thru something similar with the man I used to call Daddy( sorry I have alot of anger) , last year 4 days before a circuit assembly he drives the 40 mins to my house to get me to go to the assembly. He before that point had not had any contact with me for several months. I had in the year before that begged him to help build our relationship back and I had only him since my mom died 16 yrs ago. I waited and waited and no calls. The only and I mean the ONLY reason he came by my house is, he heard we stopped meetings, no one knew why, and he wanted to buck for getting back to being an elder. He thought if he could get me to go back it would be brownie points for himself. I told him NO!!!

At that point my dad still had no real idea why I was not going back. End of story, end of him trying to help me come back, he even called on the cell phone on Sat. to see if I would come on Sunday. I guess one last effort to make himself look good.

The elders in our congregation, bothered me and Wild Turkey for months off and on about our spiritual problems and questioned why we lefted, we kept cool about why, we were not ready to tell it all, because of my hubby's work. Not once did they ask about Jacob, our oldest who was just 14 at the time. Jake was an outstanding public speaker, put in field service time, had various congregation assignments, even carried the mics. Not once in all those months to a year did they ever ask to encourage him, ask if he was doing ok, it was like he didnt exsist anymore. My own dad never asked about him either, but I expected that from him.

After the District convention an elder brought by some of the new books and I couldnt tell him no I didnt want them , he caught me off guard, he then asked how is Jake? I said he had a cold, he said, Oh to bad. That was it , after a year had gone by. The only concern shown was a year too late,Jake hates them now.

I hope you can reason with your wife and tell her how others have been treated the same way. They don't care, they may show concern only for their own benefit. If it will make them look good in the C.O.'s eyes or other elders they will make a pretense of brotherly love. It is a lie.

Our youngest son was born 2 months early, and I know I am telling so much and I hate to ramble on, but I can't even tell you the lack of concern for our family at that time. I was in ICU for over 2 weeks trying to not go in labor , and then he was still born 2 months early. The one elder showed up one time, the friends were even worse, no love at all. No phone calls, no meals to my hubby and other two kids, my daughter Kelly was only 17 months old and Wild Turkey had his hands full trying to take care of her, thank god for his Mama or he would have not been able to work or do other things. There were so callled "worldly" people ( JW term) , that brought by food and showed concern.

I am just telling you this so you might can show your wife. I hope you can save your family out of that loveless , hypocritical cult. Like you said,,,,,, someone will be hurt by the JW's , by being abused or growing up miserable .

Sincerely ,

Dede