Posts by jworld

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You should eat this cake. Are you gay?

by Cali Guy in

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that question has been asked to me countless times ever since i can remember.

(the gay part, haha.

) reluctantly, i would quickly put an end to their thinkg with a swift, "no".. four days ago, after a couple of very strenuous months (years if you count the time i didn't except myself), i came out to my cousin (roommate).

jworld

On the topic of parental acceptance on coming out. I think its best to keep an open mind. You never know how it will turn out. I think its safe to say you know how it will start. Sure they will find it hard to accept. They may say some things that they will regret later.

My mom has had her own strange journey. I remember growing up hearing all the degratory comments about gay people. However, after I came out it forced her to deal with the issue. Now she is a member on a pro gay jw forum. It's very strange to say the least, but I work with it thinking she is half way there. She still believes that gay jw's can live happy lives totally celibate, including no masturbation. That is rediculous of course unless you set out to raise a eunuch! I realize she still doesn't understand its not about sex, its about finding love in a life partner and for gay people that happens to be someone of the same sex.

I could go on, this is one of my favorite topics. I think the best thing to keep in mind is time is on your side...people do come around in their own way eventually.

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Is immorality escalating?

by jworld in

i got the convention update from my mom, who attended this past weekend.

sounds like the society made the claim that immorality is escalating at a faster clip.

is that true?

jworld

Someone recently posted a comment with a link to the Skeptic's Annotated Bible and it was sort of interesting to read the bible without the lense that its just so rosy and perfect.

Are babies that important?

Doesn't seem so since Jehovah is constantly killing babies in the Old Testament.

What about poor babies that are the result of sexual immorality of a king and his murder of her husband? The punishment...kill the baby! WTF?.

I like the bible but yeah its a hodpodge of conflicting morals that are constanly bent.

Compared to the old testament, we live in an extremely moral world. It does seem like morals are really in the eye of the beholder and what ever perspective you have.

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Is immorality escalating?

by jworld in

i got the convention update from my mom, who attended this past weekend.

sounds like the society made the claim that immorality is escalating at a faster clip.

is that true?

jworld

I got the convention update from my mom, who attended this past weekend. Sounds like the Society made the claim that immorality is escalating at a faster clip. Is that true? I can't say either way. While immorality may be increasing, things like social equality have been getting better. So, can you say the world is getting worse? It seems like some statistics may cancel each other out (immorality is increasing yet social inequality is decreasing. thus is the world going from bad to worse?)

Also, sounds like the soceity is not saying there are more earth quakes. They are now saying that there are great earth quakes. Lining it up with what the bible says. Have earth quakes become stronger?

I think im still in that early stage where while I don't believe the Watchtower has any insight beyond what is in the bible, I still have bible questions. I know there are people on here that still enjoy reading the bible. Does anyone ever meet to discuss such stuff?

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Watchtower makes Multimillion-dollar reform in Patterson!

by ZionsWatchTower in

information brought by a brazilian dissident in this discussion (in portuguese):.

http://extestemunhasdejeova.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=8964&st=0&sk=t&sd=a.

the watchtower is making a multimillion-dollar reform in the patterson farm, in their educational center.

jworld

Here is the PDF at the Patterson NY city website

http://www.pattersonny.org/PlanningBoard/Watchtower/part1.pdf

Highlights:

The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc., (the “applicant”) proposes to
expand the Watchtower Educational Center (WEC) in the Town of Patterson by adding
approximately 904,000 square feet of new interior building space with a footprint of
approximately 186,000 square feet. In addition, 434 new parking spaces would be added to the
project site, 351 of which would be located in parking garages.

CONSTRUCTION
Construction of the proposed project would occur in 10 phases over a 48-month period between
February 2010 and February 2014. Construction would include six new buildings, roadways,
sidewalks, parking areas, and stormwater detention basins. Infrastructure and utility
improvements would also be incorporated.

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WT Article: What Should Children Learn

by corpusdei in

i was just perusing the latest watchtower (available here) and noticed something that made me chuckle a little.

in one of the first articles talking about what children should learn, they quote exodus 22:22-24:.

what the bible teaches: you people must not affliict any... fatherless boy.

jworld

"Everytime I see a thread about WTS publications, current or past, it astonishes me that obviously ex-jws have more knowledge and understanding and desire to read the WTS drivel than its own members."

lol Blondie you are so right. I find reading the WT much more interesting with a critical eye now than I ever did before. Its a strange situation really. I'd say I do it out of humor. I sort of laugh (at myself) that I ever believed this stuff. It's almost therapeutic.

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12 Things That The Mainstream Media Is Being Strangely Quiet About Right Now

by NeckBeard in

as the mainstream media continues to be obsessed with anthony weiner and his bizarre adventures on twitter, much more serious events are happening around the world that are getting very little attention.

in america today, if the mainstream media does not cover something it is almost as if it never happened.

right now, the worst nuclear disaster in human history continues to unfold in japan , u.s. nuclear facilities are being threatened by flood waters, the u.s. military is bombing yemen, gigantic cracks in the earth are appearing all over the globe and the largest wildfire in arizona history is causing immense devastation.

jworld

Alternative Media is no different than the Watchtower.

“That is why more Americans than ever are turning to the alternative media.”

Alternative media is just as paranoid and hysterical as the Watchtower. What you think is “the truth” is just more craziness. The search for absolute truth leads people further and further from the truth. I can’t help but notice that the people that are drawn to alternative media sources tend to be more rigid and extreme in their views. Just why is that?

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FADERS: How determined are you?

by VampireDCLXV in

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after being here on jwn for a while, one does see a spectrum of sorts.

there are people here in various stages of their exit from their lives as jws.

some are full fledged kh and fs attendees whom we call "the conscious class".

jworld

“Do even the smallest of thoughts that maybe, just maybe, the JWs are right about some things, still haunt the darkest corners of you mind?”

This is not unique to exiting JW’s. One of my best friends, who was raised a Catholic, once told me he hedged his bets for a long time just in case the Catholics were right. He’s now an atheist and has no ties to the catholic church. It took him well into his late 30's to get to this point.

Only the passage of time will take care of that and the amount of time is unique to the individual. I personally don’t see any reason to speed up or slow down the process. It will happen at a natural pace for each individual.

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At $50.00 a pop for copyright the WTS is spending a small fortune

by sinis in

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i was on the us copyright page for something else and happened to put jw's in the search.

they basically copyright everything!!!

km's, you name it.

jworld

wow no kidding. I found 9976 pages of search results for "Watchtower Bible and Tract Society". Each page had 50 entries for a total of 498,800 copy righted articles. Obviously this dates back decades and im sure it was less than $50 back then. But by the current price that is almost $25 million worth of copy right fees!

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A few notes on September 15, 2011 Watchtower, fresh off the presses!

by sd-7 in

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september 15th, 2011 watchtower, page 28, paragraph 13:.

"if a human overseer in god's organization provides you with instructions that seem extremely detailed, you might at times feel frustrated.

jehovah, however, is a perfect overseer who delegates generously and trusts his servants.

jworld

Well I scrolled through it. Same old drivel. However, page 21 upper right picture. I haven't seen so many buff shirtless men in a WT for a long time! Its a painting, but the person who painted the guys sure did pump up their chests and I think i see a belly button on one of the guys. I'd love to know if it was a male artist lol

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Is anyone on here from Milwaukee (or Wisconsin for that matter?)

by Joliette in

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milwaukee, wi, born and raised!

but leaving in two years.

jworld

I currently live in Milwaukee. Grew up in Minnesota (I'm a JW born in) and moved here about 10 years ago. I've gone to a few KH's in the area but never for more than a couple months at a time. I've pretty much given up now. I don't really believe it so whats the point. I went to the Memorial this year and after reading the before posts on here about what to look for regarding suspicious application of scriptures to support the WT's interpretation, I might not go next year. Anyway, its always fun to hear from people in the area. :)