Posts by Kensho

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How (not) to destroy a thread and turn it into a battleground

by Terry in

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we are adults here and don't want jwn to reflect a hostile enviornment for lurkers who may.

wish to learn about the watchtower.

many first timers might be very curious to discover whether.

Kensho

When I first started lurking here I found some of the discussions very interesting and of course there are many hateful post here about your ex-comrades in the Org. from people who have an extreme hate for all things WT and the Org. it is obvious the are emotionally damaged and wrightfully so.

It appears that some who spend a great deal of time here starting many threads and post really have nothing else to do with thier time but start very caustic attacks on others as they likely have no new light of their own to shed.

I agree with Terry some post would scare off many a curious JWs looking for the other side of the story in order to deal with thier inner conflicts that we all have concerning "the Truth" and seeing some of the goofy things on here would be a turn off to many and they will never venture out of the BOX again. Saying to themselves "man the GB was absolutley correct about those evil apostates!"

I am usually unaffected by the things on here as I have somewhat of an open mind (why I have had it rough in the Org.) and I try to respect everyone's opinion and commend many on this forum for bringing some solid evidence of the misgiuded men called the GB who control the lives of millions with just a stroke of a pen.

So I agree the is no real way to control the post here but I think the suggestions put forth by Terry and others should be considered by all who are truly interested in promoting The Real Truth.

Kensho Satori

PS aSphereisnotaCircle could you pm me give with some other forums you have visited please or you can post them here.

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I would describe the Watchtower's Disfellowshipping as truly merciless

by sabastious in

thoughout my life i have seen many take the walk of shame that is disfellowshipping.

i have never been df'ed, but i have had many experiences reading the faces of newly df'ed ones.. their faces are always the same.

defeated by a foe that they never had a chance with in the beggining; a raping so-to-speak.

Kensho

Qwt,

I feel ya dude, but the WBTS is to big to bring down and apostates are not organized and most don't give a crap. The rest are to busy with thier freedom from the Org. and just come here to vent. The rest are focused on thier therapy sessions and after today at the hall I'm going to sign up for some myself.

But that is for a future thread as I need to be careful with the details, there is more eyes than just ex-JWs watching this forum. I don't want to be paranoid but if I was at HQ this is the place I would be trolling to prepare for the aposta-hunt that will begin after the 7/15/11 wt study.

Kensho Satori

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I would describe the Watchtower's Disfellowshipping as truly merciless

by sabastious in

thoughout my life i have seen many take the walk of shame that is disfellowshipping.

i have never been df'ed, but i have had many experiences reading the faces of newly df'ed ones.. their faces are always the same.

defeated by a foe that they never had a chance with in the beggining; a raping so-to-speak.

Kensho

Superspook

I have experience on both sides, DFd once and involved with many JC cases as an elder. (no longer serving obviously)

I have noticed over several decades a more merciful approach by the elders to try to help the brothers ( remember the elders are playing by somebody else s' rule book), and only in extreme cases DFing was needed. These were individuals who were repeat offenders and those who just refused to cleanup their act. When I was DFd the JC looked at things more black and white and you got whacked for really stupid stuff, but while serving I only experienced the elders doing their best to extend mercy and they approached things from a loving way considering we were forced to tow the line for the Org.

Be that as it may, I was always very stressed in passing judgment on my fellow screwed up imperfect humans and thought there must be a better way to discipline wrongdoers without cutting off all association with family that could be an encouragement to come back.

I tried to imagine Jesus as the head of the cong. sitting on a committee and it just did not fit.

Finally I had enough and I'm relieved I no longer have to endure that nightmare.

People get freaked about DFing with the JW's but it is not exclusive to the org. (Catholics excommunicate members) The big difference is the families being forced to shun each other because of men taking things beyond what is written in script. and using DFing as a sword hanging over the R&F members.

It is a highly effective way of keeping total control- and forcing those who would like to leave stay ( for family & friends) and forcing some to return for the same reasons.

At any rate whenever or if ever the Creator returns there will be some heavy dues to be paid by those who have convinced themselves they are serving him by this unloving practice of disfellowshipping.

Welcome to the Forum

Kensho Satori

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HELP! How do I FADE without being DF'D??

by doubtful in

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i'm in a tough position.

i gave my last talk as an ms a couple of weeks ago, and i haven't been out in field service in well over a month.

i "came out" to the closest people in my life...namely my gf and mother...i was also recently asked to step down from being a servant - largely because my heart was no longer in it and i couldn't stomach going from door to door peddling magazines and other literature full of lies and logical fallacies.

Kensho

Doubtful,

Take it slow, if you want to have contact with your family keep your doubts to yourself there is no upside to fess'n up in this case, this kinda stuff makes me ill, as a former elder, and I think every active elder should visit here to see cases just like this to get the real picture of what is going on with the sheep.

The facts are that you can approach the elders for help with pornography, family problems, stress issues, money problems, disputes with others in the cong. etc. etc. but never never never talk about anything that would be viewed as apostate thinking or lack of faith in the F&DS- GB especially in light of the upcoming July 2011 WT. on apostates.

It is a very sad state of affairs when we who are still "in" for the sake of family that we have to come here to vent and discuss these matters with total strangers instead of those who profess to be "watching over our souls" but this is the ONLY PLACE to do that in order to keep your sanity and keep your family and friends!

I wonder what the Fine Shepherd thinks about this in his congregations?

Welcome to the brotherhood of the Broken hearted!

Kensho Satori

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How HIGH did you climb the ranks as a JW? Did you like the STATUS?

by unshackled in

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so what were your biggest jw accomplishments as a rank & file?

curious as to what level you climbed the r&f ladder while in the org, or if you still are in.. did you regular pioneer, or auxiliary pioneer?

bethel?

Kensho

aux. pioneer, pioneer, MS, Elder- school overseer all in just 38 yrs.

Very interesting to see a married couple on here TotallyADD and reopenedmind I'll search to see if your story can be found.

Kensho Satori

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MEMORIAL 2011 - Let me hear your comments

by JustHuman14 in

ok the 2011 memorial belongs to history, but let me hear your comments...personally i found it boring, most of the talk was focusing on why not to partake from the "emblems", instead on focusing on jesus sacrifice.... as i have seen most jw's are dressed to the heel, like it is an oscar awards nomination.

being disfellowshiped, i was kind of invisible, i almost believed that i have died and it was my spirit that attend there at the hall, but an inactive jw, confirmed that i was still alive(and i felled kind of relief), since he came shake hands, and talked with me.. .

Kensho

I really had the opportunity to concentrate as I am not serving any longer other than the coveted cleaning dept. and I have to say they did spend alot of time making sure no one partook unworthily. I agree the speaker did not spend enough time on the actual sacrifice that Jesus made and probably confused new ones attending. I went home and watched the Passion of Christ by Mel Gibson for the first time and that did the trick.

I witnessed a new person starting to drink the wine and his JW escort motioned for him not to do it, which was very strange. Who cares if someone wants to think they are going to heaven- oh yeah I forgot the number crunchers they don't want another 4-5,000 F&DS this year.

Justhuman14

Remember the friends only have one occassion to dress-up and celibrate unfortunately this is the wrong celibration for the ballroom attire.

Kensho Satori

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Can someone PLEASE scan the Watchtower dated 7-15-11 and PM me. Im going public. People need to be warned about this CULT. Im done sitting on the sidelines watching

by foolsparadise in

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please send me the magazine in its entirety so it looks authentic and credible.

i will be showing this article to all media types and news authorities.

i have lost my family to this destructive cult in the past year.

Kensho

What wontleave said- spot on don't waste your time foolsparadise

Kensho Satori

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July 15th WT out - Coming out Swinging at Apostates Hard

by LostGeneration in

this is one of the most aggressive watchtowers i think i have ever read.. four study articles on not "following the crowd" not following unrealities(page 13) not following false teachers, meaning apostates of course(p 15).

avoiding false teachers means "refusing to read their literature, watch tv programs that feature them, examine their web sites, or add comments to their blogs.

(para 7, pg 16).

Kensho

I have visited this site for many months and read some really thought provoking post and plenty of well documented shenanigans of the org., but I have yet to see anyone attempting to recruit any "disciples after themselves" or even suggest attending another organized religion! In fact I am here for myself and not interested in trying to change anyone's belief system especially the seemingly contented bro. at the hall, it's their choice. I have been doing that for almost 40 yrs. as a witness, been there, done that, got the T-shirt.

What most people affiliated with the WT org past or present come here for( like myself) is to discuss topics like this, that in no way could ever be mentioned in the org. or local congregation. The thing is is your faith is so strong what is the big deal, sorry that opens another can-o-worms.

This is why articles like this are regular "spiritual food" to promote the absence of such discussions within the org. by inflicting huge guilt trips and major fear factors for the R&F.

it is unfortunate that there are some who post that have really hateful and strange agendas as well as incoherent thought patterns that would spook any honest hearted JW that would dare to venture out of the WT enclave and quickly retreat to the safety zone. But that is what open and honest discussions are all about and in an OPEN forum you have to take the good with the bad-you be the judge of what to take in or not, you don't leave it up to someone at HQ to do that for you.

Life is not all neat and tidy as in the "spiritual paradise" wrightttttttt ?

Kensho Satori

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The Three Phases Of "The Truth"

by Kensho in

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i had a discussion one day with my son about "the truth" i stated the truth is fluid it is always in motion never as black and white as we would like to think because as humans we are always growing and learning new things (hopefully).. ridiculed-violently opposed-becomes self-evident are the 3 phases that are seen when any new discovery in science or breakthrough technology first appears.

the following is what i surmize are the 3 main phases jw's go through when faced with the real truth.

(from personal experience).

Kensho

Totally ADD

It makes perfect sense and I know there must be many former & current elders stuck on the phase 3 like myself who are just trying to put into practice what you outlined, but as I am in the middle of the re-adjustment period I must admit it is an ongoing struggle and at times I kind of just get zombied out and numb to the whole process like I'm watching this thing unfold after 37 yrs and of being ignorant of so many things that this isn't really happening to me but someone else-

Hard to put into words as you can see from this post- other than MAN I'M FREAKING OUT! Thanks for the feed back.

Kensho Satori

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The Three Phases Of "The Truth"

by Kensho in

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i had a discussion one day with my son about "the truth" i stated the truth is fluid it is always in motion never as black and white as we would like to think because as humans we are always growing and learning new things (hopefully).. ridiculed-violently opposed-becomes self-evident are the 3 phases that are seen when any new discovery in science or breakthrough technology first appears.

the following is what i surmize are the 3 main phases jw's go through when faced with the real truth.

(from personal experience).

Kensho

I had a discussion one day with my son about "The Truth" I stated the truth is fluid it is always in motion never as black and white as we would like to think because as humans we are always growing and learning new things (hopefully).

Ridiculed-Violently opposed-becomes self-evident are the 3 phases that are seen when any new discovery in science or breakthrough technology first appears. The following is what I surmize are the 3 main phases JW's go through when faced with the REAL TRUTH. (from personal experience)

PHASE 1= Ridicule- When witnesses are faced with negative questions from fellow JWs about the controversial history of the org. and the past teachings that the GB has put in writing for all to see, teachings that are so far out and contrary to "current Light" that if one dares to question the history and changes in for example "generations", "1975", and the big confussion with the blood issue etc etc... then the first response is to ridicule the JW asking those questions, by referring to their lack of faith or they need to pray more, they must need a shepherding visit, questioning their motives for asking or imply that they have be looking at apostate material and so on, you get the picture. This is usually the response from the elders as the R&F would rarely get involved with these topics with other R&F because they would immediately be reported to the elders out of fear. ( or a false sense of loyality)

By the way this is a totally opposite response if the person asking was a bible study, or newly interested- they would be viewed as a Beroaen. But once you get wet that is it for the questions my friend.

PHASE 2=Violently opposed If a br or sis. continues to ask questions by doing their own research even writing the branch, or they really get stupid and talk to others in the cong. the red flags go up. Elders are notified, COs get involved all for the "protection" of the congregation, labels begin to fly, your weak, rebelious, questioning of ones' loyalty to the F&DS even bordering on apostasy "have you lost your mind?".

Then secret meetings of what to do with this person and eventually unofficially "marking" or actually threatening disfellowshipping and many times actually DFing the "Truth" seeker.

PHASE 3= Truth becomes self-evident This is the phase that few ever reach (especially elders) because they are locked on phase 1 & 2 and refuse to look any further.

But Many on this and other forums especially the former elders while engaged in the first two Phases had an epiphany as the real TRUTH about "The Truth" becomes self-evident undeniable and have now found themselves experiencing phase 1 & 2 from others.

Thus I contend Truth is Liquid skip phase 1 & 2 go directly to 3 and save yourself major crow eating and regret, can anybody relate to this?

Kensho Satori