Posts by MacHislopp

6

Bethelcoachtours offers visits to the UN....

by Jourles in

jw
friends

yes, that is correct.

bethel coach tours will make your trip to ny more enjoyable by taking you to the united nations building on a sightseeing trip.. as per their website:.

we can even put together a very enjoyable sightseeing itinerary: empire state building, the world's largest macy's, historical south st. seaport, china town / little italy, united nations building, metropolitan, museum of art, statue of liberty, see a broadway play, times square, central park, woolworth building, chrysler building, or even a manhattan / ny / hudson river cruise!.

MacHislopp

Hello Jourles,

good post ! Thanks for the reminder.

Surely ...nothing should surprise us anymore.

Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

19

JW Numbers Are Set To Grow

by Defender in

jw
friends

despite the lackluster records of jw number growth in the past 6 years, i believe that their numbers will start to swell again and remain high for at least another 10 years here is why.. the society is becoming more and more business like in its approach (especially after last year's re-org) on how to maintain and increase growth.

the wts, like any corporation when it becomes acutely aware of stagnation, begins to formulate a number of new techniques in order to bolster its sagging membership or sales.

this could include, tv ads (i believe intuit39 mentioned something to that effect), radio, newspaper and magazine ads and direct mailings.

MacHislopp

Hello everyone,

thanks for all the comments in this

"interesting " post.

Room 215 , excellent and logical expositions of facts:

"How many of their teachings can withstand impartial objective scrutiny from neutral observers, especially with the internet to facilitate research, pro-and-con? Keep in mind that JWs have been to date able to rely on the public's ignorance of their past history with its scandals and failed predictions in order to make any progress at all with an unwary public. "

Moman: good points too.

Anewperson: I do agree with your comment

Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

30

VERY interesting (April 1, 2002 WT, p.19)

by stevieb1 in

jw
friends

this statement is prety interesting.

it's taken from the very latest watchtower article (april 1, 2002) the final sentence of paragraph 14 reads:.

"if jehovah's organization knowingly endorsed false teachings, advice to read the bible would never be given to jehovah's witnesses and those to whom they preach.".

MacHislopp

Hello everyone,

congratulations for this post.

Excellent points Stevieb1 and Gopher!

This one is for the file.

Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

19

Social Security and Jws

by badboy in

jw
friends

i am a severly disabled adult who receives disability benefits.. i understand sometime ago the watchtower said in one of its magazine(probably watchtower)that a smaller pertentage(sic)of jws claimed the dole in france(this was, i believe during the problems with the french government)as opposed to a higher pertentage(sic)of roman catholic etc etc claiming the dole.. in view of what paul says in one of his letter`he that doesn't work, shall not eat' should jws be claiming the dole if they truly follow the bible.

discuss.. i believe a social security system should provide for the disabled and pensioners.

(i don't think the present uk social security system will survive in its present form with accelerting(sic)costs etc etc)

MacHislopp

Hello Badboy,

sorry to read about your situation.

I'll comment later. Reborn 2002: good comment!

Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

16

End of Times/Anointed/WTBTS

by MacHislopp in

jw
friends

sometime ago, the wtbts published.

a watchtower study article,that.

pointed to :.

MacHislopp

Hello everyone,

thanks for the comments...quite

interesting. I'll come backon them.

Pureheart: I'll keep you informed on the latest...

viewpoint. Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

16

End of Times/Anointed/WTBTS

by MacHislopp in

jw
friends

sometime ago, the wtbts published.

a watchtower study article,that.

pointed to :.

MacHislopp

Hello everyone,

Sometime ago, the WTBTS published
a watchtower study article,that
pointed to :

"…six lines of evidence proving that we are living in the last days of this ungodly world"

(w. January 15,2000, pag. 12 §12)

Just a page more and we could find
this question on § 18th:

" Evidently, what will be true of some of the anointed when the great tribulation begins, and how may this be determined?"

Now, in the 18th paragraph we can
read the following :

"Sixth, the number of genuine anointed disciples of Christ is
dwindling, though some will evidently still be on the earth
when the great tribulation begins.
Most of the remnant are quite elderly, and over
The years the number of those who are truly anointed has been getting smaller. Yet, referring to the great tribulation, Jesus stated:" Unless
those days were cut short, no flrsh would be saved;
but on account of the chosen ones those days will
be cut short." '(Matthew 24:21,22) Evidently, then,
some of Christ's " chosen ones" will still be on earth when the great tribulation begins.*
(*) The footnote mentions the parable of the sheep and the goats and the last part reads:

" …This standard for judgment would be meaningless if at the time of judgment, all of Christ's brothers had long since left the earthly scene.-
Matthew 25: 31-46 "(w. January 15,2000 p. 13 §18)

Let's start with the comments:

°Please note the frequent use of the words :
evidence and evidently.
Normally it's use implies that there is
some evidence or some facts;

° Those "six lines of evidence " are …" proving ";

°Notice the number of …." ge n u I n e anointed " and also the
number of those who are …" t r u l y anointed ";
Why the WTBS makes this remark???

But what I do find really very, very interesting is this clear statement
at the beginning of paragraph 18th - in italic the watchtower -

"Sixth, the number of genuine anointed disciples of Christ is
dwindling,…."

Is it really so?? I do mean, taking all the written records, provided for everyone, in the WTBS own pubblications? Let's take the last 50 years.

Number of anointed - in the year 1950 - ………..22,723

Number of anointed -in the year 2001…………. 8,730

So far it looks ..good.

But if we check carefully the given figures, for all the years since
1950 we do have some …surprises!

1) It took 14 years to arrive to almost half of that number

i.e. …..11,292 anointed in the year 1963;

2) Then, strangely 38 years later i.e. the year 2001, we still

have 8,730 anointed which means that after 38 years

we have still 77,31 % of all the anointed ones, that were

living in 1963!

Remember: "… Most of the remnant are quite elderly,…"

and : " …. the number of genuine anointed disciples

of Christ is dwindling.."

Is it me or else….?

3) From 9,727 "anointed remnant "in the year 1979, it took

21 years to see the number diminishing of about 1000

(more precisely 997 ) ….to have 8,730 " anointed remnant",

and all this by the year 2001.

4) Yet, from the year 1989, total of 8,734 " anointed remnant"

we arrive 12 years later, in the year 2001 and ….we have a

total of 8,730 " anointed remnant "!!!

In few words, it took - before - 21 years to " diminuish "

of almost a thousand ….and now in 12 years the number

of " anointed remnant " has decreased of "….4 " ???

Surely something, somehow, somewhere doesn't tick….or

it's me again???

Your comments are welcome,

Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

1

WTBS and Christian religion

by MacHislopp in

jw
friends

i would like to share with you some thoughts.

-"... organized christian religion ...".

religion in france.".

MacHislopp

Hello everyone,

I would like to share with you some thoughts
About the attitude and the - actions - of the
WTBS in the field of "…organized Christian
religion".

Many of us are well aware of the many
legal procedures that the WTBS has and
still does follows , with the noble goal to
be granted, by various governments, the
legal status of an:

-"… organized Christian religion …"

or even claiming to be (as in France):

- "… we are the third-largest Christian
religion in France."

All these recent legal actions should
not permit our …collective memory to fail
us, and the WTBS written records will
help us to have a better and more complete
view of this matter.
Let's go back to a special year, 1943 …that
Year the WTBS published a well known book:
"Thhe truth shall make you free ".
Now let's see what they wrote about the subject

- organized religion and - Christian religion.

We open pages 314 and 315 of that book and we read:

"Many sincere persons continue under bondage
to "organized religion" because their clergy have
mistaught them to think that "Christendom's "
religion and Christianity are the same thing.
In due time the exposure of this came out.
In 1928 this statement was published and spread
Throughout "Christendom": Satan is the god
of this world, and therefore the nations of the
world can not properly be designated as Christian nations. THERE IS NO SUCH THING
AS A CHRISTIAN RELIGION, BECAUSE TRUE CHRISTIANITY IS NOT A RELIGION." (The book Government, page 139,
§1; published 1928) This truth was made more
prominent from 1936 forward , and the religionist everywhere manifested great indi-
gnationat this exposure and at the public pronouncement that " religion is a snare and a
racket". Both sixteen centuries of history till
now and the present way of religion back up the
foregoing statement as true."

- end of quote -

(Bold as in the original page).

The simple question is : where is
to be found, today , the TRUTH…
that , according to Jesus Christ's
words …shall make you free???

a) Only inside an organized religion?
b) Only inside an organized Christian religion?
c) Only inside Christianity?

d) Only inside Christendom?
e) Only inside any kind of organized religion?
f) Only inside God's Word the Bible?
g) …Nowhere???

Remember that the above statement :

« THERE IS NO SUCH THING
AS A CHRISTIAN RELIGION, BECAUSE TRUE
CHRISTIANITY IS NOT A RELIGION."
(The book Government, page 139,
§1; published 1928) »
comes from an organisation claiming, among other things,
to be the only one approved by God, and
to base all its teachings entirely on the Bible !

It is obvious that the WTBS answer, keeps
changing…according to many factors…not
excluding power, prestige, money etc. etc.

Greetings to you all, J.C.MacHislopp

P.S. I hope Pureheart will read this.

4

Where are the " PRINCES "???

by MacHislopp in

jw
friends

most of you would know the answer,.

i do mean the most recent - answers -.

given to this question, based on texts.

MacHislopp

Hello everyone,

Most of you would know the answer,
I do mean the most recent - answers -
given to this question, based on texts
such as Psalm 45:16 and Isaiah 32:1
and taught in various publications
of the WTBS., the latest printed in the
year 2000.

I'm also sure that some of you are not
aware of an earlier - teaching - on the
same subject which stated :

'Where are those future "princes" now?
Not in any imaginaryplace called limbo,
neither in heaven. They are dead , in Sheol
or hell, the place of unconsciousness and
non-existence in death. Faithful Jacob expected
to go there, and thought that his beloved
son Joseph was there also."

(from the book " The truth shall make
you free" page 356, published in 1943
by the WTBS Inc. , New York).

And also , about the same subject,
on page 358 , of the same book:

" …Now the King has come to the
temple and resurrected the sleeping saints
and gathered his faithful remnant into
the temple condition od unity with him,
there is hope that these faithful men of old
may be resurrected in the near future."

And now this:

"Some Scripture texts and
prophetic dramas suggest that they maybe
raised to life before the battle of Armaghed-
don and may meet the faithful spiritual
remnant and with them see the mighty
battle and the glorious victory of which
They prophesied."

The point is that now :

° the princes are no longer the - faithful
men of old - but today's elders …

° the generation of 1914 - which included
many of the ' faithful remnant 'has
been …eliminated, including the
Creator's promise linked with it.

So in a few years …" The truth that
shall make you free "…is not - the
TRUTH- anymore. In conclusion for
those who have great difficulty in
accepting the simple facts …this
is another clear proof of another
WTBS …deceptive teachings.

Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

44

PUBLISHERS

by Frenchy in

jw
friends

jehovahs witnesses are under a grand and multi-faceted illusion that has been fabricated and is being maintained by the society.

one such facet of that great illusion is that jws are actually proclaiming gods kingdom and teaching people the truth about god and jesus.

it was only a few years ago (hey, im not the brightest candle on the cake!

MacHislopp

Hello Frenchy,

allow me to congratulate you

for your fine ...shredding of the WTBS actions.

Logical, factual and true presentation of what

really happens. Excellent choice of words!

A post to keep on the files. I'm sure that many

will agree with me. Thanks again.

To Waiting: thanks for your fine comments.

I do appreciate this part:

"The WTBTS tells all new converts (within the first weeks of

studying) that they will be persecuted by their families & friends.

And for the reasons you gave (which I agree with) - usually someone

does talk against the jw's - or those people just don't want to

hear anymore about the jw's.

This is viewed as persecution, the new person pulls

further away from family and friends, and is lonely.

"...you turn to the only source of human companionship now available to you…the brotherhood. "

A really true statement. I do like your comments,

very ,very logical and well written.Thanks.

Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

62

Is Watchtower Literature inspired?

by YoYoMama in

jw
friends

the question.

is all watchtower articles, books, etc.

inspired by god as the bible was?

MacHislopp

Hello YoYo,

I would like to add something to Alan's

excellent and factual comment:

"...found out a lot about the history of the Society, from their own records, that the Governing Body and other officials decided was too hot for the JW community to handle, so they left it out. A great deal of the information in the book is so watered down that someone who doesn't already know the real story is totally misled. Whoever put the book into final form was thoroughly dishonest."

* the book it is presented in subject and not in a
chronological order. More diificult if not very
very difficult for any JWs, to find out the true
line of thoughts and above all events;

* Try to compare the dates, the facts (not mentioned)
of the " Proclaimers' "book, published in 1993,
with the facts, and events mentioned in the book
" The Jehovah's Witnesses in the Divine purpose "
published in 1958! You'll be surprised.

The "Proclaimers' book, is really ...
a re-written history .

Let me know the result of your comparison.

Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp