Posts by MacHislopp

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The Usual Jaw Dropping WT Hypocrisy

by metatron in

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friends

the latest watchtower contains a life experience from a. brother in nigeria.

he recalls an incident from his youth.. "another time, the principal of the baptist school attempted.

to abuse me sexually.

MacHislopp

Hello Metatron,

thnaks for rhe "precious gem"!!

at the best... "stunning hypocrisy " or

"hypocrisy at the highest level".

Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

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Are the elders legally separate from the WTS?

by Simon in

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friends

if you look at the privacy policy at http://www.watchtower.org/.

jehovah's witnesses and watchtower are committed to protecting your privacy.

please read on for more details about our privacy policy.. what information do we collect?

MacHislopp

Hello Simon,

thanks for sharing this "piece".

I don't know if it will help, but now - in the USA

and Europe, at least the WTBS deals though the new

legal entity: " The Jehovah's Witnesses Congregation".

So, legally "they" are not involved...(?). Rememeber

that most of the brothers and sisters don't know about

this - legal - move.

Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

P.S. Many thanks for your excellent work...really
a wonderful tool to inform ...thousands and
thousands of visitors all other the world.

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the jw's always teach that our prayers should not be repetitive.. however, for those that are still "active" (and for those who still remember), i present to you typical words or phrases that make up a jw prayer.. feel free to add to the list!.

-"dear heavenly father, jehovah" or "jehovah god".

-"bowed heads and humble hearts".

MacHislopp

Hello Mister Biggs,

excellent topic and brilliant ...
phrases!

LDH, your reminder: "... about the "extra portion of holy spirit"

has really caught me from the first time, with big debates and

discussion. Really on the mark.

Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

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Need information please

by katybob in

this is my first post.

i was a witness from 1971- 1976.even though i was able to get out with no trouble (i moved to another town), i have always believed that it was the "truth".

a few months ago, i started viewing jw sites on the internet.

MacHislopp

Hello Katybob,

it's me again!

This is the web link:

http://home.europa.com/~lynnlund/itmidx2.htm

Have a nice and useful ...navigation time.

Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

P.S. Hello Dungbeetle ...thanks for the quick quote.

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Need information please

by katybob in

this is my first post.

i was a witness from 1971- 1976.even though i was able to get out with no trouble (i moved to another town), i have always believed that it was the "truth".

a few months ago, i started viewing jw sites on the internet.

MacHislopp

Hello Katybob,

welcome on this board and thanks for your question.
The fastest way to get an "accurate " answer to your question,
with plenty of "proofs" would be to go the the "Freemind"
web link, shown on the bottom page. Then search for the
Greek scriptures - new testament - and God's name.
You'll find plenty of material.

Greetings, J.C. MacHislopp

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*Origins(?) of the -governing body "

by MacHislopp in

i do believe that that following quotes.

from the book .

" riches " by j.f.

MacHislopp

Hello everyone,

I do believe that that following quotes

From the book
" RICHES " by J.F. Rutherford (publishers WTBS in 1936)

show ...where the WTBS ...got
the idea of the “governing body”.

Let’s start with page 80:
" The Roman Catholic Hierarchy , the governing body, together with the clergy of the other denominations, claims to be the representatives of God and the ones to whom the right is delegated to proclaim his Word."

"…The Roman Catholic Hierarchy , that governing religious-political body , has misled and greatly deceive millions of honest persons."

Then let’s see pages 228-229:
"The Roman Catholic Hierarchy is defined in its own pubblications as follows :" The Catholic Hierarchy, or the governing body of the Catholic Church, consists of His Holiness the Supreme Pontiff, assisted by the SacredCollege of Cardinals and by several Sacred Congregations, or permanent ecclesiastical committee,of which the Cardinals are the chief members; by the Patriarchs, Archibishops and Bishops; by the ApostolicNuncios and Delegates, Vicars and Prefects, and by certain Abbots and other Prelates."

YET, a few years later – as the following watchtower article states, what a change!!!

*** w71 12/15 755 A Governing Body as Different from a Legal Corporation ***

”The official magazine of Jehovah’s Christian witnesses is The Watchtower Announcing Jehovah’s Kingdom.

In the year 1944 the Watchtower magazine began to speak about the governing body of the Christian congregation.”

*** w71 12/15 757 A Governing Body as Different from a Legal Corporation ***

GOVERNING BODY

“According to the apostolic example of the first century C.E., these dedicated, baptized Christians known today as Jehovah’s witnesses have a governing body, as specifically noted from the year 1944 onward. “

*** w54 3/15 163-4 Aid to Understanding ***

Jehovah uses a visible organization, entrusts the Biblical truths to it, and expects it to abide by and clarify these truths to others. Many religious organizations today claim to be this visible organization of God, but by their fruits they show they are not. All along there have been such false pretenders, who have been exposed by faithful priests and prophets before the time of Christ, by Jesus when he came and by his apostles afterward, and by his footstep followers even to our day.
Today the facts of the past few decades show Jehovah has been and is using the Watch Tower Society and Jehovah’s witnesses as a teaching organization, anointed witnesses who make up the promised “faithful and discreet slave” appointed to give spiritual “food at the proper time.”
So can we ask what facts are they? As we stated earlier, anyone who makes the claim that they are Jehovah’s channel has to be able to prove it. So how has the society “proved” that Jehovah is using them? Not one of their predictions has proved true. Not one. In light of all the forgoing, how can this statement be made in good conscience by the Faithful and Discreet Slave?"

*** w59 5/1 269
Attain Completeness in the New World Society

7 To hold to the headship of Christ, it is therefore necessary to obey the organization that he is personally directing. Doing what the organization says is to do what he says. Resisting the organization is to resist him."

*** w72 4/1 197 'They Shall Know that a Prophet Was Among Them' ***
This "prophet" was not one man, but was a body of men and women. It was the small group of footstep followers of Jesus Christ, known at that time as International Bible Students. Today they are known as Jehovah's Christian witnesses... Of course, it is easy to say that this group acts as a "prophet" of God. It is another thing to prove it. The only way that this can be done is to review the record.

They had ...confused the dates.. about the « governing body «

*** w90 3/15 14 'The Faithful Slave' and Its Governing Body ***

21 In 1918, when Jesus Christ inspected those claiming to be his slaves, he found an international group of Christians publishing Bible truths for use both inside the congregation and outside in the preaching work. In 1919 it truly turned out to be as Christ had foretold: “Happy is that slave if his master on arriving finds him doing so. Truly I say to you, He will appoint him over all his belongings.” (Matthew 24:46, 47) These true Christians entered into the joy of their Master. Having shown themselves “faithful over a few things,” they were appointed by the Master to be “over many things.” (Matthew 25:21) The faithful slave and its Governing Body were in place, ready for a widened assignment.”

But, never mind they are modest....

w.1.06.1997 p.14--“Modesty on the part of the faithful and discreet slave class prevents it from presumptuously running ahead and wildly speculating about things that are unclear. The slave class strives to avoid being dogmatic. How reassuring it is to know that the channel Jehovah is using today does not do so! It is both faithful and discreet. "

I do hope that most of you will find this interesting, although
I do believe that 99% of the R&F, don’t know anything about this
matter...like many other things.

Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

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Methods : Inquisition and WTBS

by MacHislopp in

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friends

im sure that this will interest some apologist .. from the book .

" riches " by j.f.

rutherford (publishers wtbs in 1936).

MacHislopp

Hello everyone

I’m sure that this will interest some « apologist «.

From the book
" RICHES " by J.F. Rutherford (publishers WTBS in 1936)

Page 246:
" If anyone dared to express his opinion contrary to the doctrines taught by the clergy of the Roman Catholic organization, that one was straightaway charged with heresy. Early in the eleventh century many persons charged with heresy because they dared hold or expressan opinion contrary to the Roman Catholic or-ganization were executed by burning or strangling."

and also page 247 :
" Two features of the Inquisition stand out prominently,to wit: Prosecution for speech, and suppression and destruction of books. The manifest purpose of such presecution and the destruction of books was and isto keep the people in ignorance and to hide from them the frauds of the Roman Catholic organization."

By the way ...who has a similar attitude today??

Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

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$300 deficit in the KH of Rowland Heights, CA

by Yadira Angelini in

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friends

last night, besides announcing someone was disf.

and attacks on the catholic church's doctrines, they gave the april report of finances..... their expenses $900 and some... the collections were $500 and some, and they sent $300 and some to wt... they have a $300 some deficit.

they have to pay $12 at the bank; i was wondering if they have bounced a check :-) so.... they have in their pocket $500 and some... they asked to be generous on last night's donations.. there were only few people, half of when i last went three years ago.. circumstances brought me there to be with my daughter last night.. after the meeting, one of the speakers approached me to ask my opinion about a video they were all commenting.... i told him, "why do you want the opinion of a 'worldly person'?

MacHislopp

Hello everyone,

a very interesting topic. It looks like,
concerning " contributions " that everywhere it is the same.

Bluesapphire: "they refuse to give that congregation the "food" that it needs unless they pay up. That's really bad. Especially considering that they DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to help their members."

You have stated a true fact, but please allow me a small
amendment : not " they refuse " but rather "they withhold"
...it sound more like "WTBS legal department terminology".

Thanks and greetings J.C.MacHislopp

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JW catches "smear pedo catholic priests&qu...

by Atreyu in

i'm in need of advice:.

today a jw wrote an article in a norwegain newspaper about the pedofile catholic priests scandal in the us these days.

obviously, he enjoyed smearing them and argumented that the institution of celibacy was the root to the evil doings.. but, this jw is not personally very active - and he didn't mention anything jw-related in his article at all.

MacHislopp

Hello Atryu,

thanks for the interesting piece of information.
As it has been already suggested to you, yes yo should write
something and please keep all of us informed via this forum.

All the best for your " efforts ",
greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

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BOE 2-15-02 What Does It Really Say?

by silentlambs in

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friends

in the 2-15-02 body of elders letter a paragraph is dedicated to child abuse issues.

many have claimed this an adjustment for the better with regard to wt policy.

sadly this could not be further from the truth.

MacHislopp

Hello Silentlambs,

I did forget to thanks you for the
interesting quotes, few more for the archives.

Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp