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  The ‘ poor economic conditions ‘ and the rich... WTBS Inc. !

  by MacHislopp in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i thought of posting these informations...just as a reminder.. .

  *** w92 8/15 24 preaching in maputo-mozambique's intriguing capital!

  *** theocratic advancement despite obstacles .

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  MacHislopp

  Hello SYN,

  thanks for the comment. What you wrote could be true, but I'm sure

  that in most part of the world the WTBS Inc. ...is making a lot of money

  using the ' worldwide brotherhood'.

  Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp
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  Comments You Will Not Hear at the 3-16-03 WT Study

  by blondie in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  comments you will not hear at the 3-16-03 wt study

  february 1, 2003.

  "have love among yourselves".

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  MacHislopp

  Hello Blondie,

  just to congratulate you, again, on another brilliant piece of work.

  Nicely written, logically developped and wityh plenty

  of quotes - where needed - from the WTBS Inc's own

  publications.

  I just want to thank you for this gem, really!

  Btw, on the part concerning the CO, you reminded

  me of an occasion when I said to one of them exactly

  what you wrote...see nothing....hear nothing...talk nothing

  In the end it's only a business ' trip for most of them.

  Don't worry about certain critics...they don't have a leg to stand on..

  with this kind of material and presentationthat you make.

  Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp
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  The ‘ poor economic conditions ‘ and the rich... WTBS Inc. !

  by MacHislopp in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i thought of posting these informations...just as a reminder.. .

  *** w92 8/15 24 preaching in maputo-mozambique's intriguing capital!

  *** theocratic advancement despite obstacles .

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  MacHislopp

  Hello everyone,

  I thought of posting these informations...just as a reminder.

  *** w92 8/15 24 Preaching in Maputo-Mozambique's Intriguing Capital! *** Theocratic Advancement Despite Obstacles

  Today, there are more than 50 congregations in and around Maputo city. However, there is not a single Kingdom Hall of Jehovah’s Witnesses to be found. Why is that so? Because of poor economic conditions, the congregations have not been able to build even though some have owned land for a number of years.(*)

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  The fact that congregations do not have Kingdom Halls at their disposal does not stop their progress. In most cases, more than double the number of publishers attend the meetings

  *** w92 8/15 24 Preaching in Maputo-Mozambique's Intriguing Capital! ***

  If a man is fortunate enough to find a job here, the average wage is from $20 to $30 per month

  *** w92 8/15 24 Preaching in Maputo-Mozambique's Intriguing Capital! ***

  "Another congregation of 59 publishers regularly has more than 140 in attendance. They normally meet on an open terrace. But during rainy weather, the congregation squeezes into the two rooms of a small apartment. The overflow from the audience spills into the hallway, the kitchen, and the balcony. Once again, one cannot help but notice the appreciation and attentiveness as everyone, including many youths, follow the program intently. "

  Now, compare with this :

  "Mililani Technology Park. "

  The group established an educational and meeting facility -- situated on 3.4 acres next to Oceanic Cable -- called the Watchtower Educational Center Pacific.

  The center will house programs based on practical direction from the bible geared toward businesses and community organizations.
  Because of its massive size, the group has been approached by individuals wanting to rent the site for personal events but Wong said the building will remain purely for bible educational meetings. The center features a main auditorium large enough to fit 1,500 visitors,

  "Bad economy = good time for churches to build"

  Frellie Campos PBN Staff Reporter

  Worship and retreat facilities have been erected in growing numbers in a weakened economy where renovation and new construction projects have become scarce and labor less expensive.

  And the entry of big-box retailers in recent years has pressured land owners to reduce their rents -- an advantage for church groups looking for properties to buy and facilities to build, according to commercial real estate agent William Jardine.

  Jardine, who is based on the Big Island, said he has seen numerous church groups coming to town looking for properties to buy with the intention of establishing a worship facility or for business purposes.

  "The whole aspect of being a church is extremely attractive. Churches have some flexibility in doing things they wouldn't be able to do otherwise," Jardine said.

  But according to Nathan Wong, assistant to the branch manager at The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, there is a great need for these types of facilities.

  The group also provides resource handouts and seminars for a variety of issues such as sexual harassment and job-related issues -- services that are purely voluntary.

  In fact, Wong said some businesses and community leaders have already ordered reprints of articles the group produced.

  "Our materials are not that religiously oriented," Wong said.

  With fiber-optic capabilities, the center has the ability to hook up to other headquarters around the country and to colleges via the Internet.

  The society received assistance from volunteers all over the world to help design and construct the building that was two years in the making. "We're looking around to open possibly more sites in the future," Wong said.

  And the society -- which has 300 members in the area -- is continuing its quest to build a larger presence in the Islands with its 24,200-square-foot two-story meeting hall being built at the former Ranch House site in Aina Haina.

  The Jehovah's Witnesses -- who rely heavily on donations to operate -- purchased the 60,890-square-foot site for $3.6 million to build a facility for both prayer and education. Construction is scheduled for completion in October.

  While education is on the minds of the Jehovah's Witnesses, La`akea Hawaiian Resort Co. Ltd. -- a subsidiary made up of businesspeople from a large corporation in Japan -- is proposing to turn a residential property in Kaneohe into a moneymaking venture. The group plans to develop a private meeting facility for community use, including weddings, retreats and related activities at 47-477 Waihee Place in Kaneohe.

  La`akea Hawaiian Resort purchased the 39-acre property from a homeowner after seeing the potential for wedding activities at the scenic site overlooking Kaneohe Bay.

  A 4,000-square-foot house that sits on the lot will be used as a meeting facility fit to hold 60 people. Minor improvements will be made to the two-story house to upgrade it for commercial use, said Crystal Rose, the agent that represents La`akea Hawaiian Resort.

  The facility will be rented out to community members and businesses looking for a retreat site, meeting facility, or spot to hold wedding receptions. No overnight accommodations will be provided at the facility, which will be open daily from 9 a.m. to 5 p.m. The planned site is expected to be ready in early 1998.
  In addition to renovation work to the house, a 1,600-square-foot wedding chapel is planned for the site. The chapel will have seating for 12 people.
  According to Rose, the group decided to put in a chapel because of the overwhelming number of Japanese weddings that occur in Hawaii. La`akea Hawaiian Resort is hoping to do four to six wedding a day. "We want to keep it a rural atmosphere as best we can. We don't want to disrupt the neighbors," Rose said. "The group's intentions were to keep the operations small.

  To help ease community members who are concerned the project will turn the quiet neighborhood into a commercial business circus, La`akea Hawaiian Resort has agreed to repave the half-a-mile Waihee Road, which residents have been asking the city to do for a while.
  "We're trying to work with the community to find out how the property can best be used and what services we can provide. This is a sensitive issue ... but people should be able to use their property however they want," Rose said. "

  This is the web's link: Pacific Business News

  http://pacific.bcentral.com

  I do believe this is …clear , although thousands and thousands of JW’s dont’ know anything about it !

  Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp
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  CLOSING …HOURS, DAYS, YEARS… update!

  by MacHislopp in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i would like to give you, the latest update

  concerning the closing hours, days, years of

  the end of the present global system of things

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  MacHislopp

  Hello everyone,

  thanks for your comments.

  Utopian_Raindrops: No chance of them being right...

  because the light...gets always brighter!

  Gordy: I'm sorry but maybe I wasn't clear enough.

  The quote is from the 2003 yearbook and the year

  1950 is referring to the beginning of all the quotes,

  which I did post in chronological order in the previous post:

  "CLOSING …HOURS, DAYS, YEARS.."!

  So in conclusion, alltogether , in the two posts,

  there is a quick review of ...53 years

  concerning the " end of the system of things".

  Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp
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  Catholics Superior to Watchtower?!

  by metatron in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  so, the catholic church is using sleaze ball lawyers to try to weasel out of child molester lawsuits.. (they were asking for it/blame the victim defense).

  on the other hand, liberty magazine (jan/feb 2003) says "to it's credit, the catholic church appears to have cooperated.

  in mediation, when possible".

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  MacHislopp

  Hello Metatron,

  thanks for the brilliant comment:

  " I want 'em to PAY OUT like the Catholics!

  A good solid 400 millions would wreck the Watchtower!"

  Excellent!

  Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp
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  Have You Ever Written A Letter To the Society?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  when i was a kid, i remember my family regularly visiting other friends, including a brother that was the bible study servant.

  every week, he would send a different letter to the society on a variety of subjects.

  when our families would meet, he would ask us the question and we would do research or give our opinion on what we thought the society's answer was going to be.

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  MacHislopp

  Hello Minimus,

  thanks for the topic.

  I've also written to the WTBS Inc's lawyer:

  Philip BRUMLEY to ask him questions about their UN 'affiliation',

  but as you can imagine I never did receive an awswer.

  My e-mail and my 'normal' mail have been left unanswered,

  yet the DPI's office of the United Nations sent me a very

  nice answer. Btw, I did post all these 'evidences' in the

  long, long, thread of the WTBS, UN and NGO !

  Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp
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  CLOSING …HOURS, DAYS, YEARS… update!

  by MacHislopp in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i would like to give you, the latest update

  concerning the closing hours, days, years of

  the end of the present global system of things

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  MacHislopp

  Hello everyone,

  I would like to give you, the latest update

  concerning the closing hours, days, years of

  “the end of the present global system of things”

  a) From the KM/ March 2003 page 6 ,

  paragraph 25 subheading:

  “Take full advantage of the time remaining “

  Today all the evidence indicates that the end of the present global system of things is at end. Day by day our pattern of life should reflect that conviction. As zealous servants of Jehovah, we should be focused on the urgent work of declaring the good news.-

  Titus 2:13,14 .”

  b) From the Yearbook 2003, “ A Letter from the Governing Body “ page 5, paragraph 1 :

  “We face similar situation today. As we approach the

  destruction of this wicked system, we expect increased opposition. Satan is filled with “greatanger”, and that anger is especially directed against those who serve God (Rev.12:12) “

  You do remember the quote from 1950,…see what we get f rom the WTBS Inc. after … 53 years!!

  Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp
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  Watchtower Condemns Catholics for Pedophile Cover-Up!

  by UnDisfellowshipped in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the watchtower society has condemned the catholic church for over 15 years because of their pedophile cover-up -- now, the watchtower society is trying to make a defense of their own pedophile cover-up by claiming that they are "no worse than any other religion"!.

  statements made to the media by official watchtower society spokesmen about the jehovah's witnesses pedophile problem being "no worse than any other religion":.

  christianity today, january 26th 2001:.

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  MacHislopp

  Hello everyone,

  I thought to add these…just as reminders:

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  A. J. Anderson

  June 5, 2002

  Christian Congregation of Jehovahs Witnesses

  Service Department

  2821 Route 22

  Re: Letter of resignation

  Dear Brothers,

  This letter pertains to my wish to no longer serve as an elder in the Congregation. Knowing what I do about our organizations child molestation problem and other matters here in the Manchester Congregation, I find it difficult to keep serving as an elder. Undoubtedly, how we as elders handle allegations of molestation in our organization has troubled me for quite some time.

  I was pleased to note from J. R. Brown's feb 7, 2002 letter to Dateline NBC that our organization would hear views and opinions from individuals within the framework of the congregation, so I take this time to ask that you resolve some of my differences of opinion according to Scriptural principals.

  Since I have been in close proximity to the child molestation issue because of my wife Barbara, I have come to know of hundreds of molestation cases mismanaged by elders. Without a doubt, many elders are incapable of correctly dealing with molestation allegations, but others followed verbal and written directions from headquarters that caused immeasurable sorrow and lifelong unhappiness to the victims and their families. Almost every day for the last several years, Ive read accounts sent to my wife from victims describing their disagreeable encounters with elders and the Society, which, in effect, has punished them and protected their molesters. I know that Jehovahs Witnesses as a whole, plus those outside of our organization say that they hate child molesters even more than murderers, but whether they really do or not is shown by their feelings and actions.

  Inasmuch as child molestation is an act done in secret, and since we the elders and the Society compound this by keeping such acts committed within our group a secret, the Witnesses are under the illusion that our organization doesnt have a problem with molestation. Of course, each elder knows if there are any accused or confessed molesters within his congregation, but elders dont know if there are molesters in other congregations. Consequently, because elders are unable to gage the scope of this situation because of the secrecy, most think there isnt a problem. Now, due to media coverage of many distressing cases of molestation within our organization, many elders are very disturbed. Without question, Im sure that you are also.

  Here's one example of why keeping molestation a secret from the congregation does not work: Im personally acquainted with a woman who was divorced, and when her little girl was molested she went straight to the elders. They did not report the accused to the police, although requires ministers to report child abuse. It took a sister in the congregation, who found out about the rape years later, to go to the police. This resulted in the molester being sentenced to eight years in prison. As far as I know, this man was previously accused of molesting three girls in another state and when he moved to , the elders were notified of his past, yet they warned no one in the congregation as per the Societys instructions. Before he was arrested, he molested two girls in . So who was right? The sister who reported him or the elders who kept the secret? In our congregation, one elder told the other elders that if anyone molested his child, he would call the police first and elders later. Are you aware of how many elders feel this way? I personally know that many elders feel that they really can do nothing to help in these cases. Yet you instruct that an accusation of molestation within the congregation be reported first to the elders.

  The October 8, 1993 Awake! states that child molesters want something else from their victimsSILENCE. Are we not sharers in guilt with the molester when we dont encourage victims to go to the authorities where they will get help? Wouldnt this be the Christian thing to do? Are we not sharers in guilt with a molester, who silences the victim with threats, when we silence members in the congregation with threats if they warn others? In the May 24, 2002 letter to all the congregations in the , you stated that even one abused child is one too many. This same letter says, At least since 1981, articles have been published in our journals, with a view to educating Jehovahs people on the need to protect children from child abuse. How can you educate Jehovahs people by keeping such secrets? To be able to protect their children, Jehovahs Witnesses have a right to know as part of their education if there are any people within the congregation accused of molestation.

  Incidentally, it seems to me that if concerned people had not gone to the media about the child abuse problems in our organization, this subject would not have been addressed at the elders school last year. It was obvious that there was a change of attitude by the statement made that Child abuse is a crime. Now elders no longer treat molestation as a sin like adultery or fornication, but as something far more serious, a crime. This was a welcome change.

  Recently, a woman who used to be a Witness told me, after she read an article in our locaewspaper about Jehovahs Witnesses and allegations of child abuse, that she was molested by someone who attended the Manchester Congregation many years ago. Ive known her family for over twenty-five years and remembered her as a young girl. The man she accused is a very good friend of mine for over thirty years. If I go to my friend with another elder confronting him and he denies the allegation, Im in a dilemma because I want him not to be guilty. How can I provide justice when Im partial? Of course, I could remove myself from this situation, but why should we even be put in a position to judge our brothers in such matters where it takes the wisdom of Solomon to sort it out. According to the October 8, 1993 Awake! it is improbable that a child who accuses a person of molestation is lying. However, I believe it is better to err in behalf of a child than the accused. But the question arises, why are we as elders even investigating this crime of child abuse? Can we as elders really identify a person as a molester when an accusation is made?

  Of course, something has to be done when accusations are made but cant be proved, but most Witnesses want to leave situations like this in Jehovahs hands. To me this is shifting responsibility. Our organization has guides to settle disputes and discover truth, but in the above case, if the accused denied the allegation, the investigation is over until someone else comes forward accusing the same person (something that happens infrequently). Since elders have been told that molestation is a crime, why cant our brothers go first to the authorities with an accusation and then inform the elders. We expect our brothers to go first to the authorities with an accusation of murder. Moreover, it is inconceivable to think elders would investigate an allegation of murder to determine guilt or innocence, so why would we investigate an allegation of child abuse to determine guilt or innocence? This is just not our field of expertise. We are ministers of God, not police. The authorities and their child abuse experts sometimes make mistakes, but nothing like the mistake of just asking the accused Did you do it? and the reply is No. If there is not another witness to the act, consequently, all charges are dropped, the matter is closed, and the victim is warned not to talk about it or else.

  This brings me to the subject of victims having to provide another witness to his/her molestation. There are contradictions associated with this rule. In the past, Watchtower literature stated that two witnesses to each act must be provided before judicial action could be ta. Now theres something new: two persons as witnesses to separate incidents of the same kind of wrongdoing can be deemed sufficient to take action. Which is it? Also, just what kind of action is to be ta? Judicial action which could lead to disfellowshipping? Or investigative action leading to the determination of guilt and then reporting the allegation to the authorities? If our teachings mean we must meet the above criteria before we report to the authorities, as many elders think we do, I say, NO! We shouldnt invoke the two-witness rule when it comes to whether elders should report an accusation to authorities. In fact, let me reiterate, I believe that elders should not be investigating an accusation of child abuse before the authorities are called in.

  The flock is told that elders are loving, kind and sensitive. Yet, time and again, I have heard of extremely ignorant or worst behavior on the part of elders when involved in sexual abuse cases. For instance, a child in our circuit accused her grandfather of molestation. Her mother went to the police and the man (a brother) admitted his guilt. I was told that the case was handled satisfacly by all concerned except when the mother was approached by the presiding overseer of the congregation and he said, If its any consolation to you, your daughter enjoyed the act! The mother left the organization because she couldnt handle the idea that this man was her spiritual shepherd!

  Another case comes to mind: A sister told of being molested when she was eight years old. The man confessed, but one of the elders asked her then, What kind of clothes were you wearing? She was advised to make peace with the perpetrator, and her family was counseled to invite him over for a meal. Its obvious that a question and advice like this proves that elders are not qualified and shouldnt be involved. If I know of hundreds of cases like these, you must know of thousands.

  Children and women are very vulnerable in this male-dominated world, and this is true also in our organization. I have quoted James 1:27 many, many times and have heard it quoted from the platform an equaumber of times. Of course, you well know this scripture where James said, The form of worship that is clean and undefiled from the standpoint of our God and Father is this: to look after orphans and widows in their tribulation, and to keep oneself with out spot from the world. Generally, we emphasized the end of this scripture and rarely analyzed the situation orphans and widows found themselves in when the husband and father died. Primarily they were without a protector, which made them extremely vulnerable. Although the situation has changed somewhat today, there still are many areas where orphans and widows need help and elders should give special care to their needs. And especially is this so with regard to those who are sexually abused. Who are their protectors, if not those who can be lied to spiritual fathersthe elders. God puts them under our care and yours too. Whatever it takes, we should go the extra mile to help abused ones. However, it appears that our organization will sacrifice a child to keep the person who denies an allegation of molestation.

  In your letter to All Bodies of Elders, February 15, 2002, you instruct us to, Never suggest to anyone that they should not report an allegation of child abuse to the police or other authorities. Why should elders be put in a position to suggest or not to suggest reporting an allegation? The victim or caregivers and the rest of Jehovahs Witnesses should be informed by elders to always call the police if a crime has occurred, no buts or ifs about it.

  Also, in this same February 15, 2002 letter, you say, If you are asked, make it clear that whether to report the matter to the authorities or not is a personal decision for each individual to make This is inaccurate information and illegal in seventeen states. In these seventeen reporting states, everybody is obligated to report even suspicion of child abuse. In this has been the law since 1972. In the law is the same. And why would resident, Bill Bowen, as seen on Dateline, be told by someone in the Legal Department to not report a case of molestation? What is the Societys Legal Department doing giving us wrong information such as the above?

  In the January 1, 1997 Watchtower, a policy statement is found that a man known to have been a molester can not hold a position of authority within the congregation. This policy is certainly appreciated and shows your concern for protecting the flock. However, the word known appears to be a confusing problem. Who is he known to, the eldersis the determination of his guilt or innocence in their hands? What if the victim cant prove to the elders that he/she was molested because of being unable to produce another witness to the act, does this mean the accused remains in his position? I believe this is so because he is then known or considered by the elders to be not guilty. (He is then not known to be a molester.) Elders should never be given the power to determine who is to be a known molester or not because they are untrained and unqualified. This policy puts children in the congregation at risk and should be reevaluated.

  In your statement in the May 24, 2002 letter to all congregations you say, We have long instructed elders to report allegations of child abuse to the authorities where it is required by law to do so Where God is concerned, if this is a crime, its a crime everywhere. If wrong in one state, why not in others? Also, if its wrong we should do the right thing whether the laws of the land require it or not. Arent we supposed to be morally better than the world? Do we not go an extra step or two because of conscience? Another point ta from the same statement as quoted above is this: You say, We have long instructed elders to report allegations of child abuse to the authorities Where is it written as policy that elders are instructed to report allegations of child abuse to the authorities? Your statement as quoted above is a half-truth and misleads the reader. What is not understood is that elders have written instructions to call the Legal Department where they will be told that if their state requires a minister to report the allegation, they should report it. Thats a far different matter than long instructed elders to report allegations of child abuse to the authorities

  Another point I want to discuss with you is the recent disfellowshipping of my wife, Barbara. The scriptures used for disfellowshipping her are found in 1 Corinthians 5:1-12. The letter from L. Seely, presiding overseer of the Manchester Congregation, said that Barbara was disfellowshipped for causing divisions, not for committing any of the wicked acts Paul described in 1 Corinthians 5:1-12, i.e., gross wickedness, sexual immorality, etc. It was the Societys spokesman, J. R. Brown, who accused my wife of committing some unspecified spiritual violations or sins for which she was being called before a judicial committee. This most certainly blemished my wifes character before the whole world, especially since no proof was offered then or ever.

  It was the Watchtower Society that forced Barbara to go to the media about the judicial hearing convened by the local congregation at orders of the Watchtowers Legal Department. It is obvious that because she went to the media about the sexual abuse issue that she caused divisions among the flock. Why didnt J. R. Brown just say so instead of accusing her of sins and blac her character? It was because headquarters knew there was absolutely no proof she caused divisions by propagating her views about child abuse before she went to the media.

  If Barbara was disfellowshipped because of causing divisions, the Apostle Paul should have been disfellowshipped for causing divisions among the flock because he publicized sensational sexual immorality in the Corinthian congregation. Not only did he discuss with the Corinthian Congregation how he felt about the congregation hiding fornication in their midst, he recorded his accusations for millions of people to read in the Bible during the past 2,000 years. Why is it okay for Paul to have gone public revealing disgraceful conduct that was being condoned in the congregation, but when my wife goes public about the organization condoning and protecting immoral people by bad policies, she is punished? Moreover, wicked and immoral acts have been equated to her by applying 1 Cor. 5 as the reason for her disfellowhipping. I believe this to be untian. I also believe that disfellowshipping my wife violated the Apostle Pauls command to each one of us to work to keep the congregation clean no matter what the cost. Furthermore, disfellowshipping her for causing divisions because she publicly spoke out about uncleanness in our organization is a violation of the freedom of speech Christ brought us.

  Inasmuch as I cannot be guided by your polices on child molestation, it is difficult for me to remain an elder. Im not expecting a response to this letter. If any changes in your policies occur, Im sure they will appear in our publications.

  Thank you for considering this letter and I hope nothing less than the Christian thing will be done in behalf of the victims and those speaking out.

  Sincerely,

  A. J. Anderson

  XC: Manchester, TN Congregation of Jehovahs Witnesses

  Edited by - silentlambs on 19 July 2002 17:35:2

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  .J.: Attorney wages war on clergy sex abuse
  C.J.
  Star Tribune
  
  Published Apr 28, 2002
  St. Paul attorney Jeffrey Anderson's zeal for suing priests for sexual abuse is renewed every time he looks at his daughter Amy. Now 28, Amy was 8 when she was molested by a therapist who happened to be a former priest, according to the April 22 People magazine. "I came to feel like I didn't protect her, and to this day I understand how parents of victims blame themselves," Anderson tells People. In 20 years he has represented more than 400 plaintiffs in lawsuits against church officials, and last month sued a number of bishops, alleging a pattern of criminal wrongdoing. But his personal motivation has not been widely known. "I don't make a secret of [Amy's molestation]. I don't volunteer it. That was the first time anybody had ever asked me that question, Were you sexually abused or anybody in your family?" As Pope John Paul's summit ended with Boston Cardinal Bernard Above the Law -- as he is being called -- out of sight but not yet out of a job, Anderson has a hunch about the denouement. "He will not be the first and the only" church official forced out," he said. I think you're going to see several cardinals and several bishops resign as a part of an overall scheme of accountability. I don't think it will originate from the Vatican. I think the pressure will mount . . . just like the Berlin Wall crumbled. There is a huge crash now, and the dam is effectively broken. There isn't going to be accountability until some of those guys step down." Anderson also foresees criminal charges against Catholic officials who moved known abusers around: "Criminal indictments . . . for aiding and abetting and this kind of stuff."

  http://startribune.com/stories/462/2261176.html

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  (from teejay …20/07/02)

  A profound observation (or two) from Brother Anderson's letter:

  In the May 24, 2002 letter to all the congregations, you stated that even one abused child is one too many. This same letter says,

  At least since 1981, articles have been published in our journals, with a view to educating Jehovah's people on the need to protect children from child abuse. How can you educate Jehovah's people by keeping such secrets? To be able to protect their children, Jehovah's Witnesses have a right to know as part of their education if there are any people within the congregation accused of molestation.

  Incidentally, it seems to me that if concerned people had not gone to the media about the child abuse problems in our organization, this subject would not have been addressed at the elders school last year. It was obvious that there was a change of attitude by the statement made that Child abuse is a crime. Now elders no longer treat molestation as a sin like adultery or fornication, but as something far more serious, a crime .This was a welcome change.

  Since elders have been told that molestation is a crime, why can't our brothers go first to the authorities with an accusation and then inform the elders. We expect our brothers to go first to the authorities with an accusation of murder. Moreover, it is inconceivable to think elders would investigate an allegation of murder to determine guilt or innocence, so why would we investigate an allegation of child abuse to determine guilt or innocence? This is just not our field of expertise. We are ministers of God, not police. The authorities and their child abuse experts sometimes make mistakes, but nothing like the mistake of just asking the accused, "Did you do it?" and the reply is, "No."

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  Greetings, J.C;MacHislopp
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  Watchtower Condemns Catholics for Pedophile Cover-Up!

  by UnDisfellowshipped in

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  the watchtower society has condemned the catholic church for over 15 years because of their pedophile cover-up -- now, the watchtower society is trying to make a defense of their own pedophile cover-up by claiming that they are "no worse than any other religion"!.

  statements made to the media by official watchtower society spokesmen about the jehovah's witnesses pedophile problem being "no worse than any other religion":.

  christianity today, january 26th 2001:.

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  MacHislopp

  Hello Undisfellowshiped,

  thanks for the excellent topic and the relative links.

  What I do find shocking is this :

  "Witness spokesman [J.R.] Brown says that the incidence

  of pedophilia is no worse in his religion than in others,

  but he admits that some elders have not reported suspicions of abuse."

  So much for all the articles highliting the "pedo.." problems of the Catholica,

  and others!

  I'm wondering what kind of reactionthis will generate.

  Thanks again, for the excellent research.

  Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp
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  What Do You Think About "Jehovah's" Organization?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  as witnesses, you are constantly bombarded with the expression,"jehovah's organization".... if we don't believe in jehovah's organization, we are doomed.

  we must put faith in jehovah's organization.

  jehovah's organization is the modern day "ark of survival"........these types of expressions have been drilled in the heads of jehovah's witnesses for decades.

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  MacHislopp

  Hello Minimus,

  Thanks for your interesting post. Here is , for the moment,

  my …small contribution:

  ‘Jehovah’s organization’ is mentioned

  ***Index ………………………..76 times

  ***The Watchtower ………….1,056 “

  ***Awake!…………………… 42 “

  ***Kingdom Ministry………… 220 “

  ***Books…………………….. 78 “

  ***Yearbooks……………….. 223

  ***Brochures ……………….. 6

  Grand total of…………………..1,701 times

  Old article with most use: w. 15.1.1953 pp. 52-60 …..18 times

  Recent article “ “ “ : w 15.1.2001 pp.17-21 …….14 times

  (all the data are taken from the 2001 WTBS Inc. CD-ROM)

  I do hope you’ll like this.

  Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp