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  Remember the Waldensenes? The society didn't tell all.

  by gumby in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  scroll down to the highlighted part.. any sharpie ex-dubs see any thing strange?.

  1000 years of carnage & barbarity in the name of christ email the author kenneth humphreys.

  10th century obscenities-.

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  MacHislopp

  Hello Gumby,

  many thanks for this fascinating research.

  A very useful one indeed.

  UtopianRaindrop: thanks for the additional quotes.

  Farkel: Great...as usual! Excellent comment!

  Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp
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  Baptism............and the war and stuff.

  by Knoxville in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ok.i have just joined tonite....is there a time-scale or limit as to when u can get baptized.

  i have nearly finished the knowledge book, getting to all meetings.....want to be an unbaptized publisher.

  our assembly is in july,,,,is that too soon?

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  MacHislopp

  Hello Knoxville,

  thanks for the post. II 'm sure you'll quite interesting,

  one of my latest posts, addressed to all those ...who

  have to take a decision for baptism as JW. Read all

  the implications...which are never explainedto the

  "bible student".

  I do believe that Gamaliel gave a lot of material to

  thinks about. Please don't hesitate if you have any

  question.

  Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp
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  Watchtower Society is Harboring Fugitives!

  by UnDisfellowshipped in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the watchtower bible and tract society of jehovah's witnesses is harboring fugitive criminals, including murderers, pedophiles, rapists, and who knows what else!

  read the proof from their own publications and letters:

  the watchtower, march 15th 1977 issue, pages 191-192:

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  MacHislopp

  Hello UnDisfellowshipped

  thanks for the excellent quotes. Many here, will see

  them for the first time, ...for the rest of us a great reminder

  and a good one for the files.

  Thanks again and greetings,

  J.C.MacHislopp
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  J.F. Rutherford, Communism and Satan

  by MacHislopp in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  just to share with you, the following:

  w50 8/15 p. 251 answering the foes of his government ***

  5 we challenge that british jesuit to harmonize, if he can, his accusation with the public declaration by j. f. rutherford, then president of the watch tower society, from londons royal albert hall, sunday, september 11, 1938. delivering his speech face the facts, which was beamed by radio and carried by direct wire to more than 50 cities in the united states, canada, great britain, australia, new zealand and tasmania, and also broadcast by a transcontinental chain of 118 u. s. radio stations,

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  MacHislopp

  Hello everyone,

  just to share with you, the following:

  *** w50 8/15 p. 251 Answering the Foes of His Government ***

  5 We challenge that British Jesuit to harmonize, if he can, his accusation with the public declaration by J. F. Rutherford, then president of the Watch Tower Society, from London’s Royal Albert Hall, Sunday, September 11, 1938. Delivering his speech “Face the Facts”, which was beamed by radio and carried by direct wire to more than 50 cities in the United States, Canada, Great Britain, Australia, New Zealand and Tasmania, and also broadcast by a transcontinental chain of 118 U. S. radio stations,

  Mr. Rutherford said:

  “Fulfilled prophecy shows that in 1914 Jehovah enthroned Christ Jesus and sent him forth to rule, while Satan still exercises his power in the world. (Psalm 110:1, 2)

  In 1917 SATAN BROUGHT FORTH IN RUSSIA A COMMUNIST OR BOLSHEVIK GOVERNMENT, which was the first appearance of a totalitarian rule, and which opposes God and his kingdom. It declares that the State is the supreme power, and it persecutes those who serve God and Christ Jesus.”

  (capital letters in the original )

  and also this :

  *** w50 8/15 pp. 253-254 Answering the Foes of His Government ***

  . Throughout the earth the witnesses use the corporation Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society as their legal and publishing servant. They use the publications of said Society in their work of educating the people on the Holy Bible. From earliest times the Watch Tower publications have exposed communism as a world menace and have shown it to be impractical, doomed to failure, and contrary to God’s kingdom by Christ. As early as its third issue, The Watchtower of September, 1879, in its leading article entitled “The Day of the Lord” (paragraphs 7 and 14), said the following, and as you read this we want you to remember this was published, not in 1950, but away back seventy-one years ago:

  13 “Very many Scriptures seem to teach that the kingdoms of earth will be overthrown by a rising of the people: goaded to desperation from lack of employment and seeking relief from the oppression of bloodthirsty governments. Such a rising and overturning, Socialists, COMMUNISTS, and Nihilists of today would gladly bring about if they could. Now the Scripture recognizes wrong and oppression as existing in the nations and foretells this as the way in which they will be overthrown, and says: ‘Go to now, ye rich men, weep and howl for the misery that shall come upon you. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days. Behold, the hire of the laborers which is of you kept back by fraud, crieth.’ “

  and in paragraph 14:

  14 In its issue of June, 1883, The Watchtower (page 8) said: “In other words, remove the element which advises prudence, morality, and right-doing, from the counsels of the restless masses—from the Labor leagues and other associations, and let the lower element control itself, and the result would quickly be the destruction of life, property, laws, and peace—a grand reign of anarchy in the name of communism.”

  15 In its issue of January, 1884, The Watchtower (page 5) published the article “Light in Darkness” and quoted, in paragraph 5, the statement of Blackwood’s Magazine: “How humiliating, too, is the thought that . . . the dangerous classes, and ‘dissolving forces’ are becoming more formidable than ever, and that the ‘social revolution’—Atheistic Communism and Nihilism—may yet shake to its foundations the entire system of civilization which modern Europe has been so slowly perfecting as the highest product of the Aryan Community of nations.”

  And also this:

  *** w66 9/1 p. 518 World Communism as God Views It ***

  This widely published stand of Jehovah’s witnesses has hardened world Communism more and more against them and the Communists have shown themselves to be in the ranks of the symbolic goats of Jesus’ parable of the sheep and goats. Jesus explained that these would be manifest at the time of the end of this world or system of things and that the goats would be cut off from all existence. (Matt. 25:31-46) This parable, as explained by President Rutherford at a Los Angeles (California) convention, was published shortly afterward in The Watch Tower, in its issue of October 15, 1923.”

  Finally this information:

  *** w66 9/1 World Communism as God Views It ***

  "For a full discussion of the Communist “king of the north” as prophesied in Daniel, chapter 11, see the 384-page book “Your Will Be Done on Earth,” published by the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society (1958)."

  Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

  "Ab Uno disce omnes " (Virgilius , Eneide, II , 65)
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  Watchtower logical fallacies

  by RunningMan in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i believe that in order to effectively immunize a person against the disease of watchtowerism, it is necessary to bring them to a full, conscious understanding of their tactics.

  i am currently working on a document for my son that shows how the society uses faulty logic to make their points.

  the document lists several common logical fallacies and then provides examples from the societys teachings.

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  MacHislopp

  Hello RunningMan,

  thanks for the post.

  You've made it very, very interesting !

  The demonstration of arguments and fallacies

  it's really great.

  Francois: you posted the link that...I wished to post.

  Thanks.

  I'm sure this post will be useful.

  Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp
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  Elder's Pay Attention Book Revised?

  by Manirus in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i heard a rumor about there being an addition to the jw's elder's book.

  either 2 chapters as inserts were added a chapter 7 and 8 or a revised hard copy with the chapters added.

  does anyone know if this is true or is it just rumor.

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  MacHislopp

  Hello Manirus,

  first of all welcome on this board.

  Second you have given a very interesting information.

  I do hope that soon this board...will provide factual

  answers to that !

  Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp
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  I NEED you all's opinion!!! Please read................................

  by Jesika in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i just got off the phone with cruzanheart.

  she told me about someone i knew that passed away.

  i don't remember her very well, but i remember she was very nice and very humble.

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  MacHislopp

  Hello Jesika,

  thanks for your moving comments about your feelings.

  You should go along to her grave and do what you feel

  in your heart. These are true feelings, and you should

  not suppress them. You wrote about 'missing her so

  much'...so you have great affection for her. Don't be

  ashamed and pour out you feelings. You'll still have

  many regrets, many unanswered question but you'll

  be at peace with yourself.

  May the God of tender mercies comfort you in this

  very sad moment of your life.

  Agape,

  J.C.MacHislopp
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  Kingdom Ministries - The Jig is Up!

  by Stephanus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i got this email earlier:hi, did you know that you may not publish the kingdom ministry at any way?

  please remove that page.. didn't think it would amount to much - just another dub throwing his weight around on an apostate site he shouldn't be visiting.

  however, i just received a demand from my web host to remove the kms or lose my website.

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  MacHislopp

  Hello JWinSF,

  thanks for the story and the very interesting informations

  concernin the copyright laws.

  I do like this part:

  "He knew he didn't have a legal right:

  Copyright laws protect material from

  being used for monetary gains.

  You can copy material for educational purposes".

  Excellent, it will come useful.

  Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp
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  e-mail correspondence with JW-site

  by greven in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  check this for yourself!grevenfrom: "[email protected]" reply-to: [email protected] to: [email protected] subject: re: error on your site!

  hope this helps,grevenfrom: "[email protected]" reply-to: [email protected] to: [email protected] subject: re: error on your site!

  date: mon, 24 mar 2003 11:31:26 -0500 hello greven,again, i recommend that you complain to that source if you are unsatisfied with the story.

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  MacHislopp

  Hello Greven,

  Thanks for the information.

  So they were rather puzzled..?

  Give them these quotes:

  *** w51 2/15 105-6 An Open Answer to "The Vindicator" ***

  That is why during the Nazi regime in Germany from 1933 to 1945 Jehovah’s witnesses in that land refused to heil Hitler! as their Fuehrer or Leader, and went to concentration camps and prisons, where 2,000 died cruel deaths, and of the 8,000 that came out alive, 2,000 were invalided for the rest of their lives.

  
  *** w54 12/1 724-5 The Fight for Freedom to Preach World-wide ***

  17 It is a familiar story about the fight for freedom fought by Jehovah’s witnesses to preach in Nazi- and Fascist-dominated lands from 1933 to 1945. Thousands were thrown into the concentration camps. Many were tortured and killed. Countless numbers died because of their loyalty to Jehovah God.

  *** w55 8/1 462-3 Part 15: Foreign Activities Under Fascist-Nazi Persecution ***

  Thus a mad national effort was embarked upon, to eliminate Jehovah’s witnesses from the German national scene. In the course of the dark years that followed thousands of witnesses were arrested, falsely convicted and put in prisons and concentration camps where many of them suffered unspeakably. Some two thousand witnesses lost their lives in this struggle to keep faithful integrity to Jehovah.

  *** yb74 212 Germany (Part Three) ***

  A total of 2,000 brothers and sisters had been put into concentration camps, where they had spent 8,078 years and six months, an average of four years. A total of 635 had died in prison, 253 had been sentenced to death and 203 of these had actually been executed.

  *** g74 1/22 32 Would You Remain Loyal? ***

  In Nazi Germany Jehovah’s witnesses refused to compromise. They remained loyal to righteous principles. They had no share in Hitler’s political or military aggressions. Just a few decades ago, hundreds died in his concentration camps. But thousands came out strong in faith.

  *** w79 11/1 7 Neutrality in a Mixed-up World ***

  NEUTRALITY A PROTECTION

  Many Christian witnesses of Jehovah in Nazi Germany and elsewhere lost their lives in maintaining neutrality.

  *** w84 10/1 8 Impressed by the Integrity of Jehovah's Witnesses ***

  The title of Dr. King’s book is The Nazi State and the New Religions: Five Case Studies in Non-Conformity.

  Most outstanding among Dr. King’s findings are the figures of deaths and imprisonment of Jehovah’s Witnesses. These indicate that the figures previously published by the Witnesses were greatly underestimated. Dr. King’s source for these statistics was a volume published in Munich, Germany, by Michael Kater. “My own perusal of Court and Gestapo records,” she declared, “would certainly support these higher figures.”

  What are these figures? “Some 10,000 were imprisoned, and together they received sentences totalling 20,000 years. One out of every two German Witnesses was imprisoned, one in four lost their lives.

  *** g84 12/8 13 Nazi-Fascist Attacks on Witnesses ***

  See The Nazi State and the New Religions: Five Case Studies in Non-Conformity, by Dr. Christine E. King.

  Of the 10,000, about 2,500 never did go free, according to the above source—they died in Dachau, Belsen, Buchenwald, Sachsenhausen, Ravensbrück, Auschwitz, Mauthausen and other camps—faithful to their God, Jehovah, and their exemplar, Christ.

  *** w86 1/1 10 Days Like "the Days of Noah" ***

  And as to persecution, Jesus forewarned his disciples, saying: “They will put some of you to death.”

  Hundreds of our brothers died at the violent hands of Nazi Hitler. Jehovah will remember all of such in the resurrection.

  *** re 40 8 Striving to Be Conquerors ***(PUB. IN 1988)

  9 During Nazi rule in Germany, Hitler completely banned the preaching work of Jehovah’s Witnesses.

  For years, thousands of Witnesses were cruelly confined in concentration camps, where many died, while hundreds of young men who refused to fight in Hitler’s army were executed.

  *** re 185 27 God's Kingdom Is Born! ***(PUB. IN 1988)

  28 This vicious flood of persecution reached a high point during World War II. In Europe some ten thousand Witnesses were incarcerated in Nazi concentration camps, and thousands died.

  *** w90 2/1 22 Exposing "the Man of Lawlessness" ***

  A review of the book Kirchenkampf in Deutschland (Fight of the Churches in Germany), by Friedrich Zipfel, says regarding the Witnesses: “Ninety-seven percent of the members of this small religious group were victims of National Socialistic [Nazi] persecution.
  One third of them were killed, either by execution, other violent acts, hunger, sickness or slave labor.

  *** g93 5/8 4 Victims or Martyrs What Is the Difference? ***

  During the Nazi period in Germany (1933-45), Jehovah’s Witnesses suffered terrible persecution for daring to remain neutral and for refusing to serve in Hitler’s war effort.

  Thousands were sent to the dreaded concentration camps, where many were executed and others died from mistreatment.

  *** g97 8/22 26 Jehovah's Witnesses in Russia ***

  
  Because Jehovah’s Witnesses refused to cry out ‘Heil Hitler’ and serve in Hitler’s army, many thousands of believers were sent to Nazi concentration camps, and thousands died.

  ***W 15.1.2001 p. 10 "… 2000 died …"

  Greetings, J.C. MacHislopp
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  Milton Henchel is dead

  by beroea in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this morning they announce to the bethel family that brother milton

  henschel passed away on

  in the full time service for 69 years and was the 5th president.

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  MacHislopp

  Hello everyone,

  thanks for taking the time to share ' a sad news '.

  Out of the many comments I do rather like and agree

  with Jourles:

  " When you finally make it to the top and have an excellent understanding of how the machine works, you realize that it is nothing more than your typical business corporation. Milton knew that."

  All into a nut shell!

  Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

  P.S. Like many of you on this board,

  I've met personally, Milton Henschel.

  Just another 'gb' of the mighty WTBS Inc.