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J.F. Rutherford, Communism and Satan

by MacHislopp in

just to share with you, the following:

w50 8/15 p. 251 answering the foes of his government ***

5 we challenge that british jesuit to harmonize, if he can, his accusation with the public declaration by j. f. rutherford, then president of the watch tower society, from londons royal albert hall, sunday, september 11, 1938. delivering his speech face the facts, which was beamed by radio and carried by direct wire to more than 50 cities in the united states, canada, great britain, australia, new zealand and tasmania, and also broadcast by a transcontinental chain of 118 u. s. radio stations,

MacHislopp

Hello Utopian Reformist and TheOldHippie,

I'm glad that you liked this research. Surely

many ..are not aware of it.

Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

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*Adamthe apple and J.F. Rutherford

by MacHislopp in

just for curiosity take a look at these quotes:

115 a lost sheep finds the right shepherd ***

- the forbidden fruit - that adam ate was

MacHislopp

Hello everyone,

just for curiosity take a look at these quotes:

*** w52 2/15 p. 115 A Lost Sheep Finds the Right Shepherd ***

A Lost Sheep Finds the Right Shepherd

IN THE December 15, 1951, issue of The Watchtower a brief reference was made to an old monk who had embraced the truth. More details regarding this incident having come to hand, we are herewith giving our readers the benefit of them, as related by one of Jehovah’s witnesses.

“Here in the wilderness near the Dead sea and 25 kilometers (15 miles) from Jerusalem, Bethlehem and Jericho, in a high mountain is situated the very old Greek Monastery of Holy Sabbas. Only monks and priests are living there and whoever enters cannot leave it until death. The founder of this monastery, Sabbas, once called all the monks and priests to him and said: ‘Beware of apples and of women; because it was the apple that deceived Eve, and the woman Eve that deceived Adam.’ For this reason no women may come into the monastery. Every year there is a festival of the Holy Sabbas, at which time many from Jerusalem, Bethlehem and Jericho flock to the monastery.

*** w70 11/1 p. 645 It Is Not in the Bible! ***

What, then, was their sin? Precisely what the Bible says it was—the simple act of eating a literal fruit (the Bible does not say it was an “apple”) that God had told them not to eat.

*** g85 6/8 p. 20 Who Said It Was an Apple? ***

Who Said It Was an Apple?

The Hebrew word tap·pu´ach, commonly translated “apple,” appears a number of times in the Bible. But it is not used in describing “the tree of the knowledge of good and bad.” (Genesis 2:9, 17; 3:6) Where, then, did the tradition that the apple was the forbidden fruit come from?

According to Plants of the Bible, by H. N. Moldenke, this idea was “due, no doubt, to the influence of Medieval and Renaissance artists who so depicted it.” For example, about the famous painting The Garden of Paradise by Peter Paul Rubens (1577-1640), now in the Hague Gallery, Moldenke observed: “The fruit on the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, with the serpent coiling among its branches, seems definitely to be apples. This painting is probably one of those to which we owe the presently widely held misconception that the apple is a Bible plant.”

Regarding the painting Adam and Eve (see above) by the German court painter Lucas Cranach the Elder (1472-1553), in which the apple is depicted, Moldenke commented that the Renaissance painters “loved retaining their right to rely on their imagination when they chose.” Other artists of the time, such as Tintoretto and Titian, did the same in their paintings on the same theme.

Probably among the first to put the idea down in writing, however, was the famous English poet John Milton. In his Paradise Lost (1667), Milton wrote of the temptation of Eve by the serpent:

“On a day, roving the field, I climbed

A goodly tree far distant to behold,

Loaden with fruit of fairest colours mixed,

Ruddy and gold. . . .

To satisfy the sharp desire I had

Of tasting those fair Apples, I resolved

Not to defer; hunger and thirst at once—

Powerful persuaders—quickened at the scent

Of that alluring fruit, urged me so keen.”

Thus, not from God’s Word, the Bible, but from the fanciful, yet misguided, imagination of artists and poets has come one of the most popular myths of Christendom. What was the fruit? The Bible simply does not say, for the vital point is not the fruit but man’s disobedience.—Romans 5:12.

Now, what most of the R&F, and not only them, don’t know , is what has been published in the book :” Jehovah’s Witnesses – Proclaimers of God’s Kingdom” from the WTBS Inc. in the year 1993:

*** jv chap. 30 ‘Defending and Legally Establishing the Good News’ ***

[Box on page 684]

A Witness to the U.S. Supreme Court

When appearing before the Supreme Court of the United States as legal counsel in the “Gobitis” case, Joseph F. Rutherford, a member of the New York Bar and the president of the Watch Tower Society, clearly focused attention on the importance of submitting to the sovereignty of Jehovah God.

He said: “Jehovah’s witnesses are those who bear testimony to the name of Almighty God, whose name alone is JEHOVAH. . . .

“I call attention to the fact that Jehovah God, more than six thousand years ago, promised to establish through the Messiah a government of righteousness. He will keep that promise in due season. The present-day facts in the light of prophecy indicate that it is near. . . .

“God, Jehovah, is the only source of life. No one else can give life. The State of Pennsylvania cannot give life. The American Government cannot. God made this law [forbidding the worship of images], as Paul puts it, to safeguard His people from idolatry. That is a small thing, you say. So was the act of Adam in eating of the forbidden fruit. It was not the apple that Adam ate, but it was his act of disobeying God. The question is whether man will obey God or obey some human institution. . . .

“I remind this Court (it is hardly necessary that I do so) that in the case of ‘Church v. United States’ this Court held that America is a Christian nation; and that means that America must be obedient to the Divine law. It also means that this Court takes judicial notice of the fact that the law of God is supreme. And if a man conscientiously believes that God’s law is supreme and conscientiously deports himself accordingly, no human authority can control or interfere with his conscience. . . .

“I may be permitted to call attention to this: that at the opening of every session of this Court the crier announces these words: ‘God save the United States and this honorable Court.’ And now I say, God save this honorable Court from committing an error that will lead this people of the United States into a totalitarian class and destroy all the liberties guaranteed by the Constitution. This is a matter that is sacred to every American who loves God and His Word.”

The date of the event was

*** jv chap. 30 ‘Defending and Legally Establishing the Good News’ ***

310 U.S. 586 (1940). Walter Gobitas (correct spelling), the father, along with his children William and Lillian, had gone to court to restrain the school board from refusing to permit the two children to attend the Minersville public school because the children would not salute the national flag. The federal district court and the circuit court of appeals both decided in favor of Jehovah’s Witnesses. Then the school board appealed the case to the Supreme Court.

In conclusion, a “brother of Jesus Christ” , an anointed member of “ the Jerusalem above”,

said publicly, in front of the Supreme Court of the United States of America, that :

- the forbidden fruit - “ that Adam ate was …

the apple”!!!

Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

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"Satanic Thoughts" in The Finished Mystery

by refiners fire in

the organizations position, if pressed, is that they prefer dubbies not to read the finished mystery book, because, even though it served gods purpose and stirred christendoms priesthood into a white heat of hate, the book contains some satanic thoughts that god allowed to slip in there for some reason.

anyway, i thought i might present some of these satanic thoughts so that the household of faith can know what they need to be on guard against.

satan seems to have slipped in a lot of his own thinking, especially when it comes to the books interpretation of the symbols of revelation and what these mean.

MacHislopp

Hello Greven,

thanks for the excellent addition to this topic.

Your quotes are ...gems!!!

Imho, that 'brother' Woodworth was surely

a great pal of demons!

Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

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"Satanic Thoughts" in The Finished Mystery

by refiners fire in

the organizations position, if pressed, is that they prefer dubbies not to read the finished mystery book, because, even though it served gods purpose and stirred christendoms priesthood into a white heat of hate, the book contains some satanic thoughts that god allowed to slip in there for some reason.

anyway, i thought i might present some of these satanic thoughts so that the household of faith can know what they need to be on guard against.

satan seems to have slipped in a lot of his own thinking, especially when it comes to the books interpretation of the symbols of revelation and what these mean.

MacHislopp

Hello Refiners Fire,

thanks for the quote from the "Finished Mystery".

They are a proof of the nonsense of those two

'brothers' who compiled it, following the orders

of our great and well known judge 'J.F. Rutherford'!

Thanks again for taking you time to post your

research.

Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

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help what bookstudy book are we in?

by lostandnotfound in

i am new here and i usually dont come to these type of places as they are rampant with apostates.

i still belive in most of the teachings but its the people in the org.

that have turned me away.. the reason that i am posting though is this, i have been inactive for a few months now but i have been holding out telling my parents, friends etc.

MacHislopp

Hello Lostandnotfound,

welcome on this board, and I do hope you'll

enjoy reading so many posts.

Maverick: a very nice answer indeed

"We are not apostates of the True God!

We do not usurp Jesus place in God's arrangement,

nor do we claim to be the earthly channel of His Holy Spirit! "

Amen,

Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

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Remember the Waldensenes? The society didn't tell all.

by gumby in

scroll down to the highlighted part.. any sharpie ex-dubs see any thing strange?.

1000 years of carnage & barbarity in the name of christ email the author kenneth humphreys.

10th century obscenities-.

MacHislopp

Hello Gumby,

many thanks for this fascinating research.

A very useful one indeed.

UtopianRaindrop: thanks for the additional quotes.

Farkel: Great...as usual! Excellent comment!

Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

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Baptism............and the war and stuff.

by Knoxville in

jw
friends

ok.i have just joined tonite....is there a time-scale or limit as to when u can get baptized.

i have nearly finished the knowledge book, getting to all meetings.....want to be an unbaptized publisher.

our assembly is in july,,,,is that too soon?

MacHislopp

Hello Knoxville,

thanks for the post. II 'm sure you'll quite interesting,

one of my latest posts, addressed to all those ...who

have to take a decision for baptism as JW. Read all

the implications...which are never explainedto the

"bible student".

I do believe that Gamaliel gave a lot of material to

thinks about. Please don't hesitate if you have any

question.

Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

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Watchtower Society is Harboring Fugitives!

by UnDisfellowshipped in

jw
friends

the watchtower bible and tract society of jehovah's witnesses is harboring fugitive criminals, including murderers, pedophiles, rapists, and who knows what else!

read the proof from their own publications and letters:

the watchtower, march 15th 1977 issue, pages 191-192:

MacHislopp

Hello UnDisfellowshipped

thanks for the excellent quotes. Many here, will see

them for the first time, ...for the rest of us a great reminder

and a good one for the files.

Thanks again and greetings,

J.C.MacHislopp

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J.F. Rutherford, Communism and Satan

by MacHislopp in

just to share with you, the following:

w50 8/15 p. 251 answering the foes of his government ***

5 we challenge that british jesuit to harmonize, if he can, his accusation with the public declaration by j. f. rutherford, then president of the watch tower society, from londons royal albert hall, sunday, september 11, 1938. delivering his speech face the facts, which was beamed by radio and carried by direct wire to more than 50 cities in the united states, canada, great britain, australia, new zealand and tasmania, and also broadcast by a transcontinental chain of 118 u. s. radio stations,

MacHislopp

Hello everyone,

just to share with you, the following:

*** w50 8/15 p. 251 Answering the Foes of His Government ***

5 We challenge that British Jesuit to harmonize, if he can, his accusation with the public declaration by J. F. Rutherford, then president of the Watch Tower Society, from London’s Royal Albert Hall, Sunday, September 11, 1938. Delivering his speech “Face the Facts”, which was beamed by radio and carried by direct wire to more than 50 cities in the United States, Canada, Great Britain, Australia, New Zealand and Tasmania, and also broadcast by a transcontinental chain of 118 U. S. radio stations,

Mr. Rutherford said:

“Fulfilled prophecy shows that in 1914 Jehovah enthroned Christ Jesus and sent him forth to rule, while Satan still exercises his power in the world. (Psalm 110:1, 2)

In 1917 SATAN BROUGHT FORTH IN RUSSIA A COMMUNIST OR BOLSHEVIK GOVERNMENT, which was the first appearance of a totalitarian rule, and which opposes God and his kingdom. It declares that the State is the supreme power, and it persecutes those who serve God and Christ Jesus.”

(capital letters in the original )

and also this :

*** w50 8/15 pp. 253-254 Answering the Foes of His Government ***

. Throughout the earth the witnesses use the corporation Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society as their legal and publishing servant. They use the publications of said Society in their work of educating the people on the Holy Bible. From earliest times the Watch Tower publications have exposed communism as a world menace and have shown it to be impractical, doomed to failure, and contrary to God’s kingdom by Christ. As early as its third issue, The Watchtower of September, 1879, in its leading article entitled “The Day of the Lord” (paragraphs 7 and 14), said the following, and as you read this we want you to remember this was published, not in 1950, but away back seventy-one years ago:

13 “Very many Scriptures seem to teach that the kingdoms of earth will be overthrown by a rising of the people: goaded to desperation from lack of employment and seeking relief from the oppression of bloodthirsty governments. Such a rising and overturning, Socialists, COMMUNISTS, and Nihilists of today would gladly bring about if they could. Now the Scripture recognizes wrong and oppression as existing in the nations and foretells this as the way in which they will be overthrown, and says: ‘Go to now, ye rich men, weep and howl for the misery that shall come upon you. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days. Behold, the hire of the laborers which is of you kept back by fraud, crieth.’ “

and in paragraph 14:

14 In its issue of June, 1883, The Watchtower (page 8) said: “In other words, remove the element which advises prudence, morality, and right-doing, from the counsels of the restless masses—from the Labor leagues and other associations, and let the lower element control itself, and the result would quickly be the destruction of life, property, laws, and peace—a grand reign of anarchy in the name of communism.”

15 In its issue of January, 1884, The Watchtower (page 5) published the article “Light in Darkness” and quoted, in paragraph 5, the statement of Blackwood’s Magazine: “How humiliating, too, is the thought that . . . the dangerous classes, and ‘dissolving forces’ are becoming more formidable than ever, and that the ‘social revolution’—Atheistic Communism and Nihilism—may yet shake to its foundations the entire system of civilization which modern Europe has been so slowly perfecting as the highest product of the Aryan Community of nations.”

And also this:

*** w66 9/1 p. 518 World Communism as God Views It ***

This widely published stand of Jehovah’s witnesses has hardened world Communism more and more against them and the Communists have shown themselves to be in the ranks of the symbolic goats of Jesus’ parable of the sheep and goats. Jesus explained that these would be manifest at the time of the end of this world or system of things and that the goats would be cut off from all existence. (Matt. 25:31-46) This parable, as explained by President Rutherford at a Los Angeles (California) convention, was published shortly afterward in The Watch Tower, in its issue of October 15, 1923.”

Finally this information:

*** w66 9/1 World Communism as God Views It ***

"For a full discussion of the Communist “king of the north” as prophesied in Daniel, chapter 11, see the 384-page book “Your Will Be Done on Earth,” published by the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society (1958)."

Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

"Ab Uno disce omnes " (Virgilius , Eneide, II , 65)

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Watchtower logical fallacies

by RunningMan in

i believe that in order to effectively immunize a person against the disease of watchtowerism, it is necessary to bring them to a full, conscious understanding of their tactics.

i am currently working on a document for my son that shows how the society uses faulty logic to make their points.

the document lists several common logical fallacies and then provides examples from the societys teachings.

MacHislopp

Hello RunningMan,

thanks for the post.

You've made it very, very interesting !

The demonstration of arguments and fallacies

it's really great.

Francois: you posted the link that...I wished to post.

Thanks.

I'm sure this post will be useful.

Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp