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  Wanna Call Paul Gillis?

  by messenger in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  for immediate release .

  october 30, 2001. representative of orthodox church to testify.

  against jehovah's witnesses in moscow trial.

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  MacHislopp

  Hello Messenger,

  Thanks for the informations.

  Can you imagine " Paul Gillies" great help

  to the case???

  Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

  " One who has an accurate knowledge
  of God's Word will have no problem
  in refuting false religious ideas".
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  Angelic Gender?

  by nicolaou in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  funny how a strange thought can just 'pop' into your head.. .

  according to genesis, a preface to the flood was the intercourse that took place between materialised angels and human women (gen 6:2).

  if the angels have no gender, why were not at least some of them tempted by human men and so materialise as women?.

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  MacHislopp

  Hello Nicolaou,

  thanks for the interesting topic.

  It raises many questions...and some will remain

  without answer.

  Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

  " One who has an accurate knowledge
  of God's Word will have no problem
  in refuting false religious ideas".
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  Do you feel like doing a bit of study?

  by radar in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  traditional mystical teachings assert that the creation of the universe is divided into several major planes of matter or consciousness, and that man, in addition to his visible body, has interpenetrating subtle bodies which are made up from each of these planes of matter.

  theories fall into two broad categories: (a) large objects which do not emit light, such as the remnants of burnt out stars, like black holes and white dwarfs, and (b) small objects which are not composed of charged particles and are therefore not visible.

  presently, scientists with highly sophisticated instruments have explored distant galaxies, and have discovered and verified the existence of "dark matter".

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  MacHislopp

  Hello Radar,

  thanks for the interesting post.

  I'll print and read it during my next train trip.

  Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

  P.S. I do appreciate your research...!

  " One who has an accurate knowledge
  of God's Word will have no problem
  in refuting false religious ideas".
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  A Tough Day At the Writing Staff (WT12/15)

  by metatron in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  these are tough times for the writing staff - so much.

  to avoid writing about!

  "but just to be safe, i'll avoid any real application of jesus'.

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  MacHislopp

  Hello Stephanus,

  this few lines to thank you

  for the link. Great point!

  Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

  " One who has an accurate knowledge
  of God's Word will have no problem
  in refuting false religious ideas".
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  A Tough Day At the Writing Staff (WT12/15)

  by metatron in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  these are tough times for the writing staff - so much.

  to avoid writing about!

  "but just to be safe, i'll avoid any real application of jesus'.

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  MacHislopp

  Hello Metatron,

  Just to thank you for your …analysis

  on one of the latest articles:

  "Learn From Me" in the Dec.15, 2001 Watchtower.

  And if you think I'm wrong - or exaggerating the extremes to

  which the Watchtower writers will go to avoid making any real,

  practical, plain, explicit, responsible application of Jesus'

  love, then you'll just have to read paragraph 20 (pg.20, also)

  for yourself.

  (hint: use something so limited - and hypothetical

  as to be worthless)

  - for further information, see the "School Guidebook"

  pg.175 under the heading "Conclusion shows hearers

  what to do"-

  A very good point…Pontius Pilate will be

  very pleased with his disciple…!

  Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

  P.S. Fh,please contribute wisely or ...!
  Thanks for your cooperative spirit.

  " One who has an accurate knowledge
  of God's Word will have no problem
  in refuting false religious ideas".
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  If Possible - That UN Letter Needs Distribution

  by Celtic in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  as a tool for enabling further awareness, from within the congregations, to the activities of the organisation, in my estimation, the un letter of disassociation, needs wider publication, and distribution, certainly into the hands of individual brothers and sisters.. in thus action, much might be generated towards effective solutions in.

  general public education about the machinations of the wt corporations/networks.. does anyone else see this tool (letter) as a key that can be used?.

  peace.

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  MacHislopp

  Hello Celtic

  Thanks for your post and I have to add that ,

  I do like the suggestion from Outnfree:

  " I plan to deliver this letter as a flyer to every Witness household I know of in my area.
  Just the letter. No commentary.

  I think it speaks volumes in itself and that many will be disturbed and shocked by it.

  Doubts will be raised that will not easily be put back under lock and key in that Pandora's box of independent thinking kept in the remote corner of the brain of many Jehovah's Witnesses. "

  Very well phrased indeed. I do agree with you.

  Will you please post your suggestion to the main thread,

  so that many will see it.

  Thanks again, greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

  P.S. Hello Hawk, I do hope that
  you wish ..will come true!

  " One who has an accurate knowledge
  of God's Word will have no problem
  in refuting false religious ideas".
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  MAJOR UN/WTS NEWS- UN LETTER & 1992 Press R...

  by hawkaw in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  as of 6:02 pm last night i received a facsimile from paul hoeffel at the un on the wts.. he gave me 3 of the 4 things i requested in two paragraphs.. i have sent a scanned version to steve bates and someone else.. i sent it to kent and randy.

  and kent and randy have posted the official united nations letter on their web sites.. here is the letter - put your cursor on the image and then right click on your mouse and hit "save image" to your computer.. .

  after you look at kent's web site and you people still think this it is a fake letter, phone paul hoeffel yourself at (212) 963-8070.. hawk

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  MacHislopp

  Hello everyone,

  you should not miss this one:

  " Hello Catholic Guy,

  Thanks for sharing with us your friend's answers.

  Quite interesting. Would you mind posting it on the main thread
  i.e. " Major UN/WTBS News…" to give many more the
  opportunity to read comments …!

  Allaow me to dwell on Thirdson E X C E L L E N T arguments:

  1) The WTS chose to associate with the UN and either lied to the UN when it agreed to support the UN charter or lied since in making excuses.

  2) As for Paul, he didn't apply for Roman citizenship he inherited it. Most people are citizens by birth. JW immigrants have had problems becoming US citizens because of renouncing previous citizenship and swearing allegiance to USA.

  Very logical, factual and TRUTHFUL points!!!

  3) Being an associate of the UN is not necessary for the functioning of the WTS nor required for furthering the interests of God's kingdom if God is in charge.

  4)The WTS associated for reasons of political expediancy (my view) and the related pressing need tax breaks and money.

  Now try to dismiss, refute or discuss about this one!!!

  5) As for the UN charter if there is nothing wrong with it, why does the WTS denounce the UN?
  Surely, they should be supporting the UN as the interim and only means for peace and concord while awaiting God's Kingdom.

  Now try to dismiss, refute or discuss about these points.

  And, one must not forget that the "request" for affiliation, the affiliation status etc. etc.
  has being HIDDEN to the vast majority of the " worldwide brotherhood of JW's "
  for 10 long years!!! WHY if it WAS NOT MORALLY WRONG???

  The last question that springs in my mind:

  - WHY such an HASTY withdrawal, retreat, within 48 hours from the matter beeing
  made PUBLIC by a WORDLY source??? WHY, WHY, WHY???

  Finally a great point also from CornerStone :

  "… THEY KNOW they would have ANYBODY disfellowshipped who publicly acknowledged their support of the United Nations and its charter!

  I believe the borg masters have such hate, such contempt for the R&F. This is why they keep actions like their UN involvement a secret because they don't TRUST their flock to follow them."

  It is a very sad fact, that we'll never receive sincere and truthful answers from the WTBS
  on such questions.

  Greetings , J.C.MacHislopp

  P.S. This will be posted on the main thread.
  I do believe that such an exchange of well
  thought and worded comments, should be read
  by a great number of visitors.

  " One who has an accurate knowledge
  of God's Word will have no problem
  in refuting false religious ideas".
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  One JW response to WT/UN

  by CatholicGuy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i've been able to maintain contact with a jw friend--even though i've been out of the organization for over 20 years.

  i brought up the un subject with him and got this interesting reply.

  my friend is an elder now and former bethelite:.

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  MacHislopp

  Hello Catholic Guy,

  Thanks for sharing with us your friend's answers.

  Quite interesting. Would you mind posting it on the main thread
  i.e. " Major UN/WTBS News…" to give many more the
  opportunity to read comments …!

  Allow me to dwell on Thirdson E X C E L L E N T arguments:

  1) The WTS chose to associate with the UN and either lied to the UN when it agreed to support the UN charter or lied since in making excuses.

  2) As for Paul, he didn't apply for Roman citizenship he inherited it. Most people are citizens by birth. JW immigrants have had problems becoming US citizens because of renouncing previous citizenship and swearing allegiance to USA.

  Very logical, factual and TRUTHFUL points!!!

  3) Being an associate of the UN is not necessary for the functioning of the WTS nor required for furthering the interests of God's kingdom if God is in charge.

  4)The WTS associated for reasons of political expediancy (my view) and the related pressing need tax breaks and money.

  Now try to dismiss, refute or discuss about this one!!!

  5) As for the UN charter if there is nothing wrong with it, why does the WTS denounce the UN?
  Surely, they should be supporting the UN as the interim and only means for peace and concord while awaiting God's Kingdom.

  Now try to dismiss, refute or discuss about these points.

  And, one must not forget that the "request" for affiliation, the affiliation status etc. etc.
  has being HIDDEN to the vast majority of the " worldwide brotherhood of JW's "
  for 10 long years!!! WHY if it WAS NOT MORALLY WRONG???

  The last question that springs in my mind:

  - WHY such an HASTY withdrawal, retreat, within 48 hours from the matter beeing
  made PUBLIC by a WORDLY source??? WHY, WHY, WHY???

  Finally a great point also from CornerStone :

  "… THEY KNOW they would have ANYBODY disfellowshipped who publicly acknowledged their support of the United Nations and its charter!

  I believe the borg masters have such hate, such contempt for the R&F. This is why they keep actions like their UN involvement a secret because they don't TRUST their flock to follow them."

  A good point from Room 215:

  "..They act so shocked when whenever an opponent, with equanimity, finally responds to years of provocative, mean-spirited denunuciations and insults, with a reasoned exposition of facts in defense."

  Great and logical reasoning!

  It is a very sad fact, that we'll never receive
  sincere and truthful answers from the WTBS
  on such questions.

  Greetings , J.C.MacHislopp

  P.S. This will be posted also,
  on the main thread.

  " One who has an accurate knowledge
  of God's Word will have no problem
  in refuting false religious ideas".
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  MAJOR UN/WTS NEWS- UN LETTER & 1992 Press R...

  by hawkaw in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  as of 6:02 pm last night i received a facsimile from paul hoeffel at the un on the wts.. he gave me 3 of the 4 things i requested in two paragraphs.. i have sent a scanned version to steve bates and someone else.. i sent it to kent and randy.

  and kent and randy have posted the official united nations letter on their web sites.. here is the letter - put your cursor on the image and then right click on your mouse and hit "save image" to your computer.. .

  after you look at kent's web site and you people still think this it is a fake letter, phone paul hoeffel yourself at (212) 963-8070.. hawk

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  MacHislopp

  Hello everyone,

  Thanks for your comments about - P. Brumley 's

  answer to my e-mail. To give a better picture, as a reminder

  here is the letter that I e-mailed him to this add.:

  "Philip BRUMLEY" < [email protected]

  10/17/2001

  Dear Brother

  I am one of Jehovah’s Witnesses , that in union with millions

  of others , worldwide, is trying to follow closely Jesus'

  footsteps. I would like to related a recent event which, at the

  beginning … puzzled me greatly.

  As a matter of fact, I did found some information that

  now deeply disturb me, as a person but also in a much

  deeper spiritual sense.

  At the beginning it left me numb…, but after, I took the decision to write you this letter,
  although I do know that it is not easy at all.
  As I 'm writing my hands are trembling , I'm really deeply, deeply

  touched , I think that I rarely experienced this emotion, triggered

  by these informations.

  Here , as short as possible they are:
  On the website of The United Nations (www.un.org) the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, was listed as a Non-Governmental Organization (NGO) affiliated with the Department of Public Information (DPI).
  At first glance it seemed, I thought, as though this association of the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society of New York with the United Nations , could be reasonable and logical.
  However, I did search for some of the criteria, to be met by an organization in order to achieve NGO status, and I did found that some of these are the following:
  (°)"… encourage political participation at the community level "
  (°)"The Department of Public Information and NGOs cooperate regularly. NGOs associated with DPI disseminate information about the UN to their membership, thereby building knowledge of and support for the Organization at the grassroots level."
  Sincerely I must say that these are the statements that are so troubling to me.
  Then I called the United Nations to verify that all the informations were correct, including the fact that the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society of New York, was indeed an NGO.
  Therefore I would greatly appreciate your clarification on these basic and specific points:

  a) What was the purpose of the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society's

  association with the United Nations as an NGO?

  b) Why were , the thousands and thousands of Jehovah’s Witnesses congregations, all over the world, never informed of this relationship or association status with the United Nations?

  c) In October 2001, why was that you, as Watchtower Bible & Tract

  Society of New York, seek termination of this almost 10 years old relationship with the United Nations?

  (as can be seen from a fax dated 10/11/01 from Paul Hoeffel, Chief – NGO/DPI Section, United Nations - New York -)

  d) Why did the DPI make a decision, to disassociate the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society of New York as of 9 October 2001?

  e) Will the thousands and thousands of Jehovah's Witnesses congregations, all over the world, be informed of the termination or

  disassociation of this relationship or association status with the United
  Nations?

  I thank you in advance for helping me to reconcile this apparent contradiction of beliefs, taught and published by you and generally held by all the Jehovah's Witnesses vs. your relationship or association status - as Watchtower Bible & Tract Society of New York, with the
  United Nations.
  After all, it is still clear in my mind, when I personally , to my family and in private , in the congregation and even publicly , I did refer to the "…United Nations as ' a scarlet-colored wild beast ' that is the image of Satan's bloodstained political system…"

  I know your answers will be helpful in overturning the recent charges of hypocrisy that have
  arisen in the press recently over this matter , even

  more so, after an article published in the " The Guardian" 10/15/01 -London - UK,

  and while waiting , please accept my Christian greetings,

  Sincerely, your brother and fellow servant in Christ Jesus,

  James Charles MacHislopp

  ------------------------------end of letter ---------------------------------

  P.S. I've sent the same letter to other

  26 differents WTBS offices and or PR/ Legal cons. etc.

  Brother Philip Brumley is the only one that - up to today -

  has answered!

  I’ll give ample thought to all your comments

  while preparing an answer and then I’ll post it.

  " One who has an accurate knowledge
  of God's Word will have no problem
  in refuting false religious ideas".
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  UN involvement announced at Assembly?

  by Simon in

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  2. scandals

  i heard from someone that the wts was going to or had already announced something about the un involvement at an assembly.

  anyone else heard of this or is it a local thing ?.

  i would guess they may have only done this because of the coverage in the uk national newspaper which they know they have to counter.

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  MacHislopp

  Hello Biblexaminer,

  I got your www link!

  Excellent piece of information, a very good job

  indeed. Allow me to congratulate you for your

  precious ...effort. I'll keep it on my files.

  Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

  PS. Simon...heard nothing on Central Western Europe.

  " One who has an accurate knowledge
  of God's Word will have no problem
  in refuting false religious ideas".