Posts by MacHislopp

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Watchtower's Armegeddon Frenzy--Again

by ARoarer in

jw
friends

with all this going on over in iraq, and the watchtower society's fear of death tactics on the rank and file members, it reminds me of how much the watchtower publishing corporation leadership is using the same fear tactics of death to all who are not subserviant and loyal to it's fear inspiring religious regime.

while threatening the world with "mass distruction" by thier watchtower false god, and twisting christian doctrine to further their fear, and blame messages, and death to all others, they have the same perpetrating m.o.

as saddam, bin laden, and all other dictatorial figures.

MacHislopp

Hello ARoarer,

thanks for your comments and the reminder

about Tally's post. Those pictures do reveal

quite a lot!!!

Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

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The Independent,2 April 2003, page13/14

by badboy in

jw
friends

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on page 13 is an ad by the lord's witnesses.. `the league of nations/un was abyssed during wwii as prophesied in revelation 17.. it is ridden by a harlot which stands for all the unfaithful churches in the world.these are all the religions which have joined the un as ngos(non governmental organisations).they range from the catholics to the jehovah's witnesses.the reason that christian churches should not join th un is that they are supposed to look to god for their protection and advancement not powerful organisations of men.in this sense joining the un is an act of unfaithfullness,depicted in revelation as harlotry,because the church is supposed to be the wife of christ,he should be their head rather than any political organisation such as the un,however noble their charter may be!.

page 14. a man with mental is said to have confessed after reading the sixth commandment.

MacHislopp

Hello Badboy,

thanks for the information...quite amazing!

Englishman: thanks for the link and the

details. (Take it easy ...with the red)

Ozziepost: I do hope that on the part of the

planet the red and the white are ...excellent!

Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

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Maybe the WTS got some ideas from the Methodists?

by onacruse in

) the book of discipline of the united methodist church (1996)(pp.

while primary responsibility and initiative rests with each professing member faithfully to perform the vows of the baptismal covenant that have been solemnly assumed, if the professed member should be neglectful of that responsibility, these procedures shall be followed:.

(1) if a professed member residing in the community is negligent of the vows or is regularly absent from the worship of the church without valid reason, the pastor and the membership secretary shall report that professed member's name to the church council, which shall do all in its power to reenlist the professed member in the active fellowship of the church.

MacHislopp

Hello Onacruse,

First of all thanks for the very interesting research.

Second, allow me please, the following:

New title and modifications are in red

(!) The Book of Discipline of the Jehovah's Witnesses Congregations

While primary responsibility and initiative rests with each professing member faithfully to perform the vows of the baptismal covenant that have been solemnly assumed, if the professed member should be neglectful of that responsibility, these procedures shall be followed:

(1) If a professed member residing in the community is negligent of the vows or is regularly absent from the worship of the congregation without valid reason, the presiding elder and the secretary shall report that professed member's name to the congregation' service committee, which shall do all in its power to reenlist the professed member in the active fellowship of the congregation. It shall visit the professed member and make clear that, while the professed member's name is on the roll of a particular local congregation one is a member the Jehovah's Witnesses Congregation as a whole, and...the professed member is requested to do one of four things: (a) renew the vows and return to living in the community...of the congregation where the professed member's name is recorded, (b) request transfer to another Jehovah's Witnesses Congregation where the professed member will return to living in the community...(c) arrange transfer to a particularly

preferred congregation or (d) request withdrawal, i.e. disassociation.

.....

(5) ...it is recommended that a roll of persons removed shall be maintained. It shall then become the responsibility of the congregation's body of elders, to provide for the review of this roll at least once a year...After the review has been made, it is recommended that the presiding elder and/or the secretary of the congregation contact those whose names appear on this roll..."

The names and addresses of those who have moved outside the local congregation's area should be sent to local congregations in their new communities... "

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To Hillary_step : Many thanks for the excellent links !

P.S. You have to admit that those changes do not really change much of the contents, relating to the procedure.

Personally I'm sure that if this ‘document ‘ is given to many elders… they could well believe , that it is a part of an older publication.!!!

Thanks again for your research.

Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

« Abiit, excessit, evasit, erupit. » (Cicero, In Catilinam)

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How Come Brooklyn Never Saw This One Coming?

by Englishman in

books and magazines all full of dire warnings..stay away from the world..don't have sex outside of marriage..armageddon is just around the corner..avoid worldly associations..look out for this, look out for that.

the list goes on and on and on.. yet the wtbts predictors of doom and gloom department never, ever, in their worst nightmares, ever saw what it was that would prove to be their nemesis.. that ex-witnesses, the majority of them disfellowshipped and, therefore, supposedly gagged and without a voice, would find a way to communicate with one another via the internet.. i wonder if the fact that they brought this upon themselves is clear to them?

the irony is astonishing.

MacHislopp

Hello Englishman,

a very interesting topic which provokes many...

serious questions.

Among the comments I do like a lot this one

"..they'd rather not mention what is going on Internet-wise,

even with respect to warning specifically about ex-jws and so

forth. I think they'd only end up arousing more curiosity in their

otherwise mushroom-like membership, who are largely kept in the

dark and fed only what the WTS wants to feed them."

Well written, and imho ...100% true.

Gordy: thanks for the letter ..and the answer!

Greetings , J.C.MacHislopp

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LUTHER, LOYOLA and the WTBS Inc.

by MacHislopp in

i have a small question:

what difference exist between the following declarations.

of martin luther, ignatius loyola and the wtbs inc?.

MacHislopp

Hello everyone,

I have a small question:

What difference exist between the following declarations

of Martin Luther, Ignatius Loyola and the WTBS Inc?

a) Martin Luther, in private correspondence, argued:

'What harm would it do, if a man told a good strong lie for the sake of the good and for the Christian church [...]a lie out of necessity, a useful lie, a helpful lie, such lies would not be against God, he would accept them.'

(Cited by his secretary, in a letter in Max Lenz, ed., Briefwechsel Landgraf Phillips des Grossmüthigen von Hessen mit Bucer, vol. I.)

b) Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556), the tireless zealot for papal authority –

he was the founder of the Society of Jesus (the Jesuits) –

'We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides.'

c) From the WTBS Inc. :

*** Watchtower 1967 October 1 p.587 Finding Freedom with Jehovah's Visible Organization ***

Thus the Bible is an organizational book and belongs to the Christian congregation as an organization, not to individuals, regardless of how sincerely they may believe that they can interpret the Bible. For this reason the Bible cannot be properly understood without Jehovah's visible organization in mind.

*** You Can live Forever (1982, 1990) p.255 ***

Do not conclude that there are different roads, or ways, that you can follow to gain life in God's new system. There is only one. There was just one ark that survived the Flood, not a number of boats. And there will be only one organization--God's visible organization -- that will survive the fast-approaching "great tribulation." It is simply not true that all religions lead to the same goal... You must be part of Jehovah's organization, doing God's will, in order to receive his blessing of everlasting life...

*** Watchtower 1930 August 1 p.239 ***

The Watchtower is the channel which Jehovah, our God, is using at this time to in the faithful remnant who are keeping the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

*** Watchtower 1933 May 15 pp.154-155 ***

Surely Jehovah has an organization on earth, because everything with him is done orderly. For many years he has used the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society. There is but one class of people that are doing his work on earth today and these we call "the Society", acting under the direction of the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society and putting forth the Watchtower publications.

*** Watchtower 1956 November 1 p.666 Turn to the New World Society ***

11 Who controls the organization, who directs it? Who is at the head? A man? A group of men? A clergy class? A pope? A hierarchy? A council? No, none of these. How is that possible? In any organization is it not necessary that there be a directing head or policy-making part that controls or guides the organization? Yes. Is the living God, Jehovah, the Director of the theocratic Christian organization? Yes!

12 Because of the vital fact that the law that governs the operation of the theocratic New World society is the Word of Jehovah God, and because of the fact that the heaven-enthroned Christ Jesus is Jehovah's Executive Officer carrying on his work in the earth, and because of the further fact that the spirit of God by Christ Jesus is operating through his Word and upon the hearts and minds of his dedicated servants, the New World society is theocratic, meaning "God-ruled."

*** Watchtower 1965 June 1 p.352 Questions from Readers ***

New features of the work have required new methods, which has meant revisions and changes from time to time in organization instructions, but it is all a part of the advancement of Jehovah's theocratically controlled organization under the immediate direction of Jehovah God himself. Therefore, these revisions and changes are themselves fully theocratic, so they do not alter in any way the fully theocratic structure of the organization.

*** Watchtower 1981 December 1 p.27 The Path of the Righteous Does Keep Getting Brighter ***

Jehovah God has also provided his visible organization, his "faithful and discreet slave," made up of spirit-anointed ones ... Unless we are in touch with this channel of communication that God is using, we will not progress along the road to life, no matter how much Bible reading we do.

*** Our Kingdom Ministry September 2002 (For Britain) p. 8 ***

5 God's Appointed Channel: Bear in mind that our heavenly Father has an appointed channel of communication, "the faithful and discreet slave." That "slave" has the responsibility to determine what information is made available to the household of faith, as well as "the proper time" for it to be dispensed. This spiritual food is available only through the theocratic organization. We should always look to God's appointed channel for reliable information, not to a network of Internet users. -- Matt.24:45.

I do hope that for the vast majority here, the annswer is very clear.

Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

« Accipere quam facere praestat injuriam »

- Cicero, Tusculanae disputationes –

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All About Jesus Christ

by UnDisfellowshipped in

truth book (1981), page 52:.

of the resurrection to heavenly life, the bible says: it is sown a physical body, it is raised up a spiritual body.

*** the watchtower, march 15th 1954 issue, page 187 ***.

MacHislopp

Hello Undisfellowshiped,

just a huge thank, for the excellent research, with all

the clear and logical quotes. To be kept on the files.

Just onfurter comment: I would post them, by

the title/full subjetc that you gave at the beginning

of each research. I'm sure that it would, on the long

run, prove an easier for research purpose.

Thanks again,

J.C.MacHislopp

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Newbie question about the NGO story

by gcc2k in

i've seen the reproductions of evidence in the ngo story.. let's say i was to discuss this matter with a local friendly elder.

i imagine that the following criticisms would ensue:.

1) that is not a real letter sent by the society (saying it was just for a library card, or as the version from portugal said, to gain favor in certain nations).. 2) the reply from the librarian at the un saying that becoming an ngo is not a requirement for a library pass is not real.. my main concern is with the latter.

MacHislopp

Hello gcc2K,

since you would like to receive an awswer to dissipate

any doubts...do write to the WTBS Inc, and please do

follow Alan's suggestion:

"If you write, make sure you include the documents

that show what the 1991 membership requirements were. "

I would like to add, that in Europe the WTBS Inc. denied

for years the "Bulgarian" friendly agreement , that included

the position on blood, by allowing elders everywhere, to

tell to all publishers that all that "affair" was a story invented

"by the apostates"!!! All this even if the documents could

be obtained freely from the "European Court for Human Rights"

which is based in Strasbourg, France.

Finally don't be surprise to receive "standard letter of reply"

and or the visit of your local elders, which obviously will

receive a copy of all the "mail" from the WTBS Inc.

We would appreciate, to receive from you, any informations

about any further development on this matter.

Thanks again and greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

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Newbie question about the NGO story

by gcc2k in

i've seen the reproductions of evidence in the ngo story.. let's say i was to discuss this matter with a local friendly elder.

i imagine that the following criticisms would ensue:.

1) that is not a real letter sent by the society (saying it was just for a library card, or as the version from portugal said, to gain favor in certain nations).. 2) the reply from the librarian at the un saying that becoming an ngo is not a requirement for a library pass is not real.. my main concern is with the latter.