Posts by MadApostate

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Judgmentalism

by BugEye in

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people are judgmental, this is a fact.. in fact it is a human quality that allows people to grow and become better throughout there lives.

we judge what happens and log it away for future use.

often times these things are so subconscious that an automatic trigger forms and we simply react to a new situation based upon something inside which tells us what is happening.. if we get burned by a hotplate, then forever we judge hotplates to be at least somewhat of a danger to our skin.

MadApostate

I don't have the mental energy this morning to think deepy on this subject, but can't help but throw out some observations.

JWs are no different from all other
"christian/bible" base groups, in that judging others is an engrained trait enjoyed for all. WHY? The Bible is just one long series of judgments. Rules are made by God and/or men. People disobey. People are judged. Even JC, who taught his followers to not judge les they be judged, constantly went around judging people.

Many moons ago, I had a conversation after the Sunday meeting with a newly baptized male pub who had spent all day Sat out in FS with a van load of elders and mss. He was visibly shaken from the experience. He indicated that the elders and mss spent every spare minute of the day criticizing the other JWs in the cong who did not meet their various expectations. The newbie also picked up on the fact that none of the JWs being criticized were related to any of the ones doing the criticizing. The newbie was especially shaken by the criticism heaped on an inactive male who the elders called on via a shearding call. I remember the newbie saying that the carload had talked about this man "like he was a dog", and then stopped to offer him "spiritual assistance". The newbie noted that the elders came back to the van indicating that they had made no progress, and continued to degrade the man. The newbie commented that how could their "assistance" possibly have been effective considering the attitudes that they carried into the session.
This newbie faded away in less than a year thereafter, despite regular and continuous sheparding calls from the same bunch of elders.

Do you suppose their "assistance" was ineffective because that newbie figured they were likely talking about him the same way they had the other guy?

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Some Witnesses Enjoy Witchcraft!

by metatron in

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i guess i've just been naive.. i was surprized to find that some 'super loyal'.

witnesses i know have been practising witchcraft.. of course, they'd never call it that - it seems that.

when various illnesses arise you get out an assortment.

MadApostate

Mulan:

I was reared in the "typical" JW environment which included every health food/supplement moneymaking scheme that came along over a several decade period. At one point in my life, I was taking over 40 tablets/capsules of various "crap" per day. After I finally wised up, I haven't taken any supplements in years. Not even VitC. I just drink OJ daily.

Over the years, I personally know of several JW females who were started into health foods/supplements by other JWs who eventually turned into hypochondriacs to the point of required psychiatric confinement.

As for chiropracters, I agree that most of the old guys were as you describe your father. However, 90% of the ones who have graduated in the past 2 decades are nothing but con artists who present themselves as being able to treat anything and everything using spinal manipulation. I have so many stories to relate, ....

The straw that broke the camel's back for me with chiros happen several years ago when I suffered a low back injury. I had previously visited chiros off and on for decades for minor adjustment needs. Therefore, I did not even consider a MD fr this injury. I tried 5 different chiros over a 18 month period with only temporary relief for a few weeks, with the problem ten reoccurring. The last chiro I saw treated me for 2 months with me finally reaching the point of not even being able to get out of bed. Finally, this chiro broke SOP, and told me to go see an MD. I fully thought that he was suggesting surgery. I made an appointment with a specialist and took along my xrays, which te MD barely glanced at. He prescribed high strength muscle relaxers and anti-inflamatories for 2 weeks, and told me to come back if my 18 month old problem had not cleared up by the time the prescriptions ran out. I did not have to go back. For me to have spent thousands of dollars and lived in pain for 18 months, I think those chiros are criminals.

I learned that one of the main reasons vertebrae get out of alignment is due to problems/trauma with back muscles, which MUST be treated with chemicals. Until those muscle problems are solved, the muscles will continue to pull/push the vertebrae. I also learned that a good night's rest will lead to relaxation of back muscles which will allow the back to adjust itself.

My guess is that 80% of chiro treatments are useless, if not counter-productive. That figure is likey true of health foods/supplements.

As I indicated in my first post, the same personality that is susceptible to "religion scam" is also susceptible to "Health scam". Due to the weight that elders/elderettes carry amongst the "friends", the r&f are easy targets for scams-especially those that are not easily proven.

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Electronic "Fun"!!!

by MadApostate in

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no, you perverts, this thread is not about sex toys!.

all of us have probably experienced sitting in the kh listening to some boring talk when all the sudden the sound system picks up a shortwave, cb, police, ambulance, other type radio transmission.. do we have any electronics experts here that can explain how/why this occurred; what types of stray signals sound systems are most susceptible to pick up; can filters be used to prevent such; etc., etc.. can you imagine the "fun" one could have by driving slowly by your local kh during the public talk, and blasting the sound system with: "if you want the real truth about jws, call 1-800-why-1914.".

of course, i'm sure this violates some fcc reg, but if you only did it once a month at different meetings, you likely would never be id'ed.. bored and ornery.

MadApostate

Mustang:

Heavens forbid that me or someone else violate the Who-gives-a-rats-ass Act of 1734.

I'm sure the FCC has better things to do than track down an occasional, seconds-long interference of a Kingdom Hall sound system. Of course, with all the "political power" that JWs wield, I could be wrong.

Let me guess. You are probably a ham-radio hobbiest. I know the mindset.

Say hello to your fellow hobbiest Raymond Schneider for me the next time you talk to him. I believe he is special pioneering in WV. That asshole was sent to Gilead, but life was just too hard down there. That's what happens when mommy's little rich boy never has to work a day in his life to earn a living. Better to just drive around the beautiful hills all day long trying to find an illiterate to deceive.

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JW Child Abuse: An Insider's Insight

by silentlambs in

i post the following at the request of barbara anderson.. .

as a result of the newspaper report calling attention to my actions i feel compelled to provide further information that has come to light and deserves full exposure.. the society is very much aware of my intentions, because of a private e-mail i innocently wrote someone was forwarded to the society without my permission.

you can read it in its entirety, below.

MadApostate

SixOfNine: My characterization has always been that a JW male must first give his wife one gonad to qualify both him and her as MS/ms-ette, and then give her the second gonad to qualify him and her as Elder/elder-ette. (The higher the promotion the less aggressive the male becomes, and the more aggressive the female becomes.)

Max: The amusing part of dilemmas is that the folks at Legal, GB, etc are probably pairing off into camps on how best to deal with this catastrophe, and regardless what occurs, one bunch will be blaming the other. Anytime there is internal discord, there is the possibility of a domino effect.

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JW Child Abuse: An Insider's Insight

by silentlambs in

i post the following at the request of barbara anderson.. .

as a result of the newspaper report calling attention to my actions i feel compelled to provide further information that has come to light and deserves full exposure.. the society is very much aware of my intentions, because of a private e-mail i innocently wrote someone was forwarded to the society without my permission.

you can read it in its entirety, below.

MadApostate

Max:

Thanks for the clarifications.

However, I think the dilemma is whether the WTS allows the Dateline program to feature damning testimony from "JWs in good standing" or "disgruntled former JWS". To DF Bill and Barb now probably is a positive from the perspective of misportraying the program to the R&F, but a negative as far as dealing with the general public.

I disgree that there are no grounds for DFing either Bill or Barbara. Folks have been DF'ed for Apostasy on much less than the evidence provided by Barbara's email above, (which is one long condemnation of the WTS) and her and Bill's crusade.

The only reason for the meeting with the elders was probably to try to force her to back off, and if she refused, to "push" her to DA. This unprecedented move to leave the decision to meet to her is contradictory to SOP where they will relentlessly pursue those they only "suspect" of apostasy, but who have no "public high-profile."

The way they are dealing with Barbara tells me that they are much more SCARED than I have thought up until this point.

I just hope the Dateline program doesn't let us down. With so much info developing, anything less than the entire hour devoted to this topic will be disappointing to me.

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JW Child Abuse: An Insider's Insight

by silentlambs in

i post the following at the request of barbara anderson.. .

as a result of the newspaper report calling attention to my actions i feel compelled to provide further information that has come to light and deserves full exposure.. the society is very much aware of my intentions, because of a private e-mail i innocently wrote someone was forwarded to the society without my permission.

you can read it in its entirety, below.

MadApostate

Mulan: I don't have an inside track like many here. I only know what has been posted. My impression is that no "official" DF action has been taken against Bill, although he has indicated that he has been "marked", and is being "shunned". However, Barbara's comments above indicate to me that the Elders have already formed a JC, and will likely take action soon.

There is also seems to be confusion whether BA's elder-husband is supporting her or not.

These may seem to be none of our business, but she is the one that has posted the info. Clarifying questions should have been anticipated.

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FRONT PAGE NEWS!!!!!!!!!! Give Elder a Call..

by coult9056 in

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http://www.lafayettejc.com/news0824/0824l06.shtml .

james day, a local elder in lafayette, indiana is in the paper again.

he has started a motivational business called "rhythmism!".

MadApostate

You didn't indicate whether the df'ed lead singer is also the df'ed son, which would be a very important factor if this is a family band.

Even if so, this elder does appear to be getting preferential treatment. Please fill in the gaps which would explain the reason behind such.

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FRONT PAGE NEWS!!!!!!!!!! Give Elder a Call..

by coult9056 in

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friends

http://www.lafayettejc.com/news0824/0824l06.shtml .

james day, a local elder in lafayette, indiana is in the paper again.

he has started a motivational business called "rhythmism!".

MadApostate

Coult:

I predict Day will cease this activity or be DF'ed within 6 months, (for a whole plethora of JW violations.)

If DF'ed, he will be postings on this DB within a year, with the vast majority here condemning the WTS for their action.

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Some Witnesses Enjoy Witchcraft!

by metatron in

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friends

i guess i've just been naive.. i was surprized to find that some 'super loyal'.

witnesses i know have been practising witchcraft.. of course, they'd never call it that - it seems that.

when various illnesses arise you get out an assortment.

MadApostate

Is there ANY XJW Female here (males also welcomed to answer for themselves or their wives) who HAS NEVER taken over-the-counter herbs, vitamins, minerals, or other "alternative supplements", at the influence/recommendation of another JW?

I have done so, and every JW that I have close knowledge has done so, and about every 10th one is obsessive to the point of mental illness regarding their health, despite medical doctors not being able to diagnose a problem.

The "malady of the month" phenomenon is known, but has been kept quiet for years. The only way for such to continue for decades means that the ones at Bethel are just as bad, if not the source of this mental illness.

When was the last time someone here was associated with a Cong that didn't have at least one elderette who claimed to suffer from CFS, and if so, did it not always also include FM?

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JW Child Abuse: An Insider's Insight

by silentlambs in

i post the following at the request of barbara anderson.. .

as a result of the newspaper report calling attention to my actions i feel compelled to provide further information that has come to light and deserves full exposure.. the society is very much aware of my intentions, because of a private e-mail i innocently wrote someone was forwarded to the society without my permission.

you can read it in its entirety, below.

MadApostate

In the 4 weeks I've been here, I have previously started 2 threads warning folks about sending emails to "supposed" friends and relatives. If such contains any hint of negativity re the WTS, much less things as strong as what BA's said, that is all they need to DF you. They do not need additional witnesses, and as shown in Exodus's case, avoiding them or the jc meeting will not slow them down. How many of us will be "ratted out" by supposed friends and relatives before we learn what we should already know- NOONE HAS LOYAL FRIENDS OR RELATIVES IN THIS CULT. The CULT can "turn" anyone by simply threatening lose of eternal life -the selfish "goal" of the whole bunch.

In BA and BB's cases, the WTS may be trying to DF them prior to the airing of the Dateline program so they can then portray the program as just another Apostate Lie.

However, this SHOULD backfire and cause Dateline to dig even further into this CULT'S crap re DF, DA, shunning, etc.

BA: Is something missing here? With your close connection with Dateline, I would think that their efforts to DF you would almost be welcomed? Just more evidence of their guilt, etc.

Bill: What's going on in your cong? I thought they were leavig you alone to keep down bad PR? Is there things you haven't told us? Their actions re Barbara are inconsistent.

Whatever... those Dumbasses, as usual, will probably turn out to be their own worse enemies.