Posts by MadApostate

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FIREPHIM jw joins scientology moonies etc?

by nelly136 in

jw
friends

just come across summat on a scientology investigation page and it mentioned the firephim that was signed in 1992 in strasborg .

http://www.xenu.org/factnet/gen/files/helps6/lz.txt.

just wondered if anyone knew anything about this?.

MadApostate

Charles:

Thanks so much for your essential input regarding the facts that the WTS is NOT a member of CESNUR, nor was it a member of FIREPHIM, but rather the WTS simply uses these orgs to get their message across, just like they have used other governmental and NGO human rights orgs. That was exactly what I suspected, but since I can't read any language other than English, I could not verify such.

That is also why I did not want this discussion to taint the UN thread. We have absolute PROOF that the WTS sought out and obtained "associative status" with UNDPI, and thus officially and formally became a UN "partner".

Let's see them try to wiggle and squirm their way out of that one!

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FIREPHIM jw joins scientology moonies etc?

by nelly136 in

jw
friends

just come across summat on a scientology investigation page and it mentioned the firephim that was signed in 1992 in strasborg .

http://www.xenu.org/factnet/gen/files/helps6/lz.txt.

just wondered if anyone knew anything about this?.

MadApostate

Nelly:

If you would have simply looked, you would have seen that TS started his new thread roughly 25 minutes AFTER I posted to this old (yours) thread.

Also, I didn't say to not discuss this topic. I said that I thought it should be discussed in a separate thread than the UN-NGO thread.

When I did a search on JW.com to see if the topic had been previously discussed, this was the only thread that popped up. Therefore, I simply posted my comments to the thread that had already raised the issue.

I assumed that people would notice the date of the original post, especially since my post is not particularly consistent with such. (although TS obviously did not.)

NOW, do you have anything "positive" to put fort on this subjet?

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WTS is a member of FIREPHIM

by Trevor Scott in

jw
friends

here's a translation from french on the international federation of religious and philosophiocal minorities (firephim).. surprising (not!

) to see the wts in an "association" (their word) with scientology, moonies, mormons, wica, etc, etc.. oh ya, don't forget that "jehovah's witnesses have nothing in common with other religious groups and can never seek any affiliation with them.

" (awake!

MadApostate

TS:

I've tried some of the links, but since I don't speak/read French, I have no clue what they say.

Is there any EVIDENCE, independent of someone with an "anti-cult" o "anti-JW" agenda, which PROVES the WTS is a member of this group?

Is there any EVIDENCE, such as news reports, etc., which even show that this group has done anything in the past 6 or 7 years.

I'm really skeptical of this, and we certainly do not need to tie a "half-truth" to the UNDPI issue, which is all truth.

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FIREPHIM jw joins scientology moonies etc?

by nelly136 in

jw
friends

just come across summat on a scientology investigation page and it mentioned the firephim that was signed in 1992 in strasborg .

http://www.xenu.org/factnet/gen/files/helps6/lz.txt.

just wondered if anyone knew anything about this?.

MadApostate

This topic has been raised in the UN-NGO-WBTS thread, and I would hope that the discussion can be moved to this previousy started thread to keep from "tainting" the UN-NGO-WBTS thread.

I have quickly browsed most of the Google hits on FIREPHIM, and I see NOTHING which PROVES the ALLEGATIONS made by some of the anti-cult groups. Even the allegations date back to 1992-4. I suspect that the JWs may have somehow been mentioned by this group, and that thereafter an assumption became fact, with other anti-cult groups simply perpetuating the original assumption.

Surely if there were any validity to the WTS's membership in FIREPHIM, there would have been several "smoketrails" occurring from 1994 to now. Actually, I didn't even see anything documenting any FIREPHIM activities after 1992-4.

IF anyone has PROOF or DOCUMENTATION, other than some anti-cult group's ALLEGATIONS, please provide such.

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letter to British Bethal

by sleepy in

jw
friends

i hope to send this letter today although i must seriously consider the consequences if i do.. please let me know if i got the ngo info right.. dear brothers,.

i am writing on two matters of major concern to me.. firstly recently i have become aware of the fact that the watchtower society of jehovahs witnesses in new york is associated as an ngo (non governmental organisation) with the department of public information of the united nations organisation.. at first i was very skeptical of the idea , but when i checked it out on the uns web site i found that jehovahs witnesses were indeed listed in partnership with the un.. this is puzzling to me as by belief has been that the un was taught by the faithful and discreet slave to be part of satans political system of things.. here are some quotes from watchtower literature.. *** re 248 34 an awesome mystery solved ***.

the un is actually a blasphemous counterfeit of gods messianic kingdom by his prince of peace, jesus christto whose princely rule there will be no end.. .

MadApostate

Sleepy:

Some editing suggestions:

First, I recently became aware that the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society has been a formally Associated NGO (non governmental organisation) with the United Nations Department of Public Information since 1991.

At first I was very sceptical of the idea, but when I checked it out on this UN webpage, I found that was indeed listed as one of the UN's many NGO partners:

http://www.un.org/MoreInfo/ngolink/ngodir/NGODirAlph/alphabet.htm

This partnership between the United Nations and the Watchtower Society is puzzling to me since I thought that the Faithful and Discreet Slave has always taught that the United Nations is the Scarlet-colored Wild Beast, and that any religious organizations who associated with the Beast were part of the Great Harlot.

This UN webpage sets out the requirements for a NGO to be accepted as a formally Associated UNDPI NGO.

http://www.un.org/MoreInfo/ngolink/brochure.htm

Did you notice these criteria?

"Non-Governmental Organizations formally associated with United Nations through the Department of Public Information (DPI) disseminate information about the work of the United Nations to their memberships and endeavour to build knowledge about the United Nations and support for the Organization at the grassroots level. Informally, these organizations are known as"DPI/NGOs"."

"Organizations eligible for association with DPI are those that: Share the ideals of the UN Charter; Operate solely on a not-for-profit basis; Have a demonstrated interest in United Nations issues and proven ability to reach large or specialized audiences, such as educators, media representatives, policy makers and the business community Have the commitment and means to conduct effective information programmes about UN activities by publishing newsletters, bulletins, and pamphlets; organizing conferences, seminars and round tables; and enlisting the cooperation of the media."

It is my understanding that the Watchtower Society's Application to become a UNDPI NGO was officially signed by Lloyd Barry, then a member of the WBTS Governing Body.

I don't think I need to explain why this issue raises concern in me.

Please, can you confirm that the information provided at the United Nations website is correct?

Also, please explain why this partnership has been kept from the knowledge of Jehovah's Witnesses in general, and also, why this seemingly hypocritical situation has been allowed to exist?

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UNITED NATIONS , NGO's and WTBS

by MacHislopp in

following the link given by kent,.

i have several observation to make:.

(from the link : http://www.un.org/moreinfo/ngolink/brochure.htm).

MadApostate

Here is a similar "Workshop" Notice which not only uses the term "PARTNER", but also "PARTNERSHIP".

It also provides us with the info that the UN also provides "Grants" to NGOs. However, please restrain any conclusions about such to the WTS until evidence of such might be discovered.

DPI/NGO Communications Workshops
Registration Form for Workshop No.1
Programme for Workshop No. 1
The NGO Section of the Department of Public Information (DPI), in cooperation with the NGO/DPI Executive Committee, is pleased to announce a series of day-long DPI/NGO Communications Workshops beginning on 2 December 1999. The Workshops aim to strengthen cooperation between NGOs and the United Nations in creating an informed understanding of the work of the Organization, and to explore new means of communications to advance the common agenda of the UN and its NGO partners. Interested NGOs that are currently associated with the Department, or have consultative status with the Economic and Social Council (ECOSOC) are invited to assign one representative involved in communications, fund raising or training within their organization to attend each workshop.
Workshop topics will include:
* Funding Partnerships at the UN This workshop will provide professional guidance on finding grants for your programmes, understanding the United Nations funding process, and learning the fundamentals of grant writing.
* Newsletter Publishing
This workshop will provide advice on effective ways to include United Nations information in your newsletters and outreach materials.
* Creating an Effective Web Site This workshop will demonstrate ways to effectively use your web site as a publishing and publicity tool.
* Video and Teleconferencing
In this workshop participants will learn how to use modern technologies for interacting with members of your organization, other NGOs and the UN system.
The first workshop, Funding Partnerships at the UN, will take place on 2 December 1999 at UN Headquarters in Conference room 8, from 9:30 a.m. to 5:30 p.m. During the morning session, from 9:30 a.m. to 1:00 p.m., UN system partners will share their specialized knowledge of diverse funding opportunities within the Organization. In the afternoon, from 2:00 p.m. to 5:30 p.m., Dr. Michael Gershowitz, an authority on the grant system in the USA, will conduct a hands-on workshop, Fundamentals of Grant Writing, providing advice on winning grants from both government and private-sector sources.
Registration forms are available from the NGO Resource Centre Room L-1B-31, or may be obtained by calling (212) 963-7233/7234 or from this web site. Please make sure that you have a valid UN pass. If not, please make arrangements by calling the above-mentioned numbers. If you are unable to obtain your pass ahead of time, please indicate this on the attached registration form and a pass will be ready for you to pick up at the Pass and Identification Unit, 801 First Ave. (corner 45th Street).
We look forward to having you join us in this special effort to strengthen cooperation with our NGO partners.
Paul Hoeffel
Chief, NGO Section
Department of Public Information
Richard A. Zeif
Communications Workshop Coordinator
NGO/DPI Executive Committee

EDIT TO ADD LINK TO ALL WORKSHOP NOTICES:
. http://www.un.org/MoreInfo/ngolink/wshome.htm

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UNITED NATIONS , NGO's and WTBS

by MacHislopp in

following the link given by kent,.

i have several observation to make:.

(from the link : http://www.un.org/moreinfo/ngolink/brochure.htm).

MadApostate

As most are aware, I've tried to encourage everyone to keep our terminology accurate in describing the WTS's "association" with the UN. I'm happy to report that I've found UNDPI using stronger terminology than "associate", "association", "associative status", etc.

This UNDPI webpage refers to NGOs as "PARTNERS" several times. This should make a significant difference to those JWs who wish to label the WTS's association with UNDPI as a mere registration.

NGOs: Working with Permanent Missions to the UN
A DPI/NGO Communications Workshop
Organized in cooperation with the NGO/DPI Executive Committee
THURSDAY 31 MAY 2001
10:30 a.m. - 5:00 p.m.
Programme for Workshop
The NGO Section of the Department of Public Information (DPI), in cooperation with the NGO/DPI Executive Committee, is pleased to announce another in its series of DPI/NGO Communications Workshops. The workshops aim to strengthen cooperation between NGOs and the United Nations in creating an informed understanding of the work of the Organization and to explore new means of communications to advance the common agenda of the UN and its NGO partners.
The daylong workshop, entitled NGOs: Working with Permanent Missions to the UN, will take place at UN Headquarters on Thursday, 31 May 2001 from 10:30 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. The morning session will take place at the Dag Hammarskjöld Library Auditorium from 10:30 a.m. to 12:30 p.m. as part of the usual Thursday morning NGO briefing programme. The afternoon session, from 2:30 p.m. to 5:00 p.m. will take place in Conference Room B.
The workshop will feature experienced NGO, UN and Mission representatives who are familiar with relations between Permanent Missions to the UN and NGO partners.
Interested NGOs that are currently associated with the DPI or have consultative status with the Economic and Social Council (ECOSOC) are invited to assign one representative to attend the workshop. Interested NGO representatives should sign up for the workshop by calling (212) 963 6883, register at the NGO Resource Centre Room L-1B-31, or send an e-mail to " [email protected]". Make sure that your UN pass is valid. If not, please make arrangements by contacting the NGO Resource Centre at tel.: (212) 963-7233/4 or 963-7078 or fax: (212) 963-2819.
We look forward to having you join us in this special effort to strengthen cooperation between NGOs and the Permanent Missions to the United Nations.

EDIT TO ADD LINK:
. http://www.un.org/MoreInfo/ngolink/wsmay01.htm

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"GET THE WBTS OUT OF THE UN" Pickets

by MadApostate in

since it has been several years since i attended an assembly/convention, i don't know if some of you folks are still picketing such, .

the upcoming special assembly this sunday would seem to be a great opportunity to spread this un issue to the jw r&f.. can't you just hear the "buzz" in the hallways:.

"why are the apostates holding signs saying, 'get the wbts out of the un'"?.

MadApostate

Telephone poles at stop signed/lighted intersections near KHs would be great.

Set your alarm clocks for 6:00AM Sunday morn.

501

UNITED NATIONS , NGO's and WTBS

by MacHislopp in

following the link given by kent,.

i have several observation to make:.

(from the link : http://www.un.org/moreinfo/ngolink/brochure.htm).

MadApostate

Mess:

DPI stands for "Department of Public Information".

The WBTS has likely obtained info from DPI for many years prior to being formally "associated".

Just glancing at the 10/1/95 Watchtower which has 5 DPI quotes on page 4.

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Questions about the WTS and the UN

by Leander in

i just learned about the society's connection with the un and i'm shocked.

i had been experiencing doubts before but this new information is like a slap in the face.

before i begin with the questions i should probably start with a introduction.. i'm a 29 year old married man serving as a minsterial servant in the south suburbs of chicago.

MadApostate

Why has knowledge of this relationship not been made known before now?

Because folks who do not conspire with the WTS to coverup its crimes just recently discovered such.

Has the Society admitted or acknowledged their relationship with the UN?

Not in any WTS publications, which everyone knows are voluminous.

Are all religious organizations required to have some type of connection with the UN?

ABSOLUTELY NOT! NGO ASSOCIATION WITH ANY UN "SECTION" IS STRICTLY VOLUNTARY.

Could the fact that the Society has international interests mean that its a necessity to have links with the UN?

Is it a "necessity" to visit and have illicit sex with a prostitute just because you have hormones?