Posts by andrekish

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Does God speak to you? HOW?

by Quentin in

an answer to this question is subjective to the individual an a posteriori experiene.

however, can there be an a priori experence, one that is objective, outside the bounds of personel experiene, or does it remain subjective?

god speaks to me, through many venus, except audible.

andrekish

Hi WhereAmI. 'And that our lovely sun will one day implode and take it's solar system along with it,'

The guys at Cerne who have got a really faster atom smasher think that in a few trillion years this is all gonna fade out into a motionless soup of protons. Sounds like fun. Maybe it will, I can't say. But I do think this world is greater than many imagine it could be.

Hi Nicholas 'how do you know that it isn't your brain just making stuff up? I think it can be difficult to determine what is real and what is not real'

I absolutely, 100 per cent, totally agree with you.

But I truly keep getting images of future events before they happen and then later they REALLY happen. I haven't got a clue why, really I haven't, and everyone I've asked has failed to answer 'coz they don't know why either. But this does happen to me and since everybody on this planet carries the same DNA syntax in every cell it makes us all capable of experiencing this phenomena. I call this a phenomena because it is real and I cannot explain it. I am not trying to highlight myself as a person. Because this does happen to me I know that for some reason, whatever it may turn out to be, this cannot be delusional as what I see in my head later happens. It is absolutely mental. In the mind. And I do not know how a thing that relies on physicallity for it's existance such as any human brain can see into the future. As a phenomena it is weird and defies any scientific or logical reasoning. But it happens.

By way of daft example. I sat with friends watching a preview program four hours before an England soccer match. As we watched a well known celebrity psychic called Yuri Geller put pictures of five English players on the screen and asked the viewers to put their hands on the screen and wish them well. I was curious and couldn't see how this would influence anything. As I put my hand on the screen I got a image each time of what what later happen to that player including that of a player called Wayne Rooney being carried off of the pitch on a stretcher. As each image occurred I immediately said aloud what I had seen including the words: 'Wayne Rooney is going to break his leg tonight...No, it won't be quite that serious he is going to break his foot.' This truly, truly happened. Four hours later during the game Wayne Rooney was stretchered from the pitch with a broken metatarsul bone in his foot. Indeed, what I had seen for every player whose photo had been shown actually happened. My friends keep telling me to take part in the lottery but the only horses I've ever backed have come in last.

On another occassion I predicted the scorer for each of the 8 scored goals minutes before each one was scored. All 8 images that I got in my head were correct. The odds would have been fantastic and would have broken any bookmaker if I'd had a bet with them.

It does make me realise that something concrete is occuring beyond the scientific realms and it's just one of the reasons I suspect that God is alive and kicking.

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Is everybody barking up the wrong tree?

by andrekish in

an idea occurred to me that the fds may not be the gb but something slightly different.. i have no scriptural basis for this statement, only the practical evidence of what i can see and read.. the gb has been accused repeatedly of deceit and misleading people.

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the witnesses themselves as a group are certainly faithful to, and discrete about, their gb depite the gb's apparent errors.. i simply wonder if perhaps the individual witnesses themselves could fit this description: ' a faithful and discrete slave'.. this is entirely guesswork and pretty much unfounded on any solid evidence, merely a thought.. any ideas?.

andrekish

Hi again Snowbird. Thank you everone, again, too ( if that's grammatical?)

I think you mean getting to know the Christ. And I entirely agree with the idea.

It strikes me that we are all having a bit of a 'knees up' whilst the Master is away. I have a feeling that all of us are in for a 'telling off' to put it mildly. I speak here simply as an equal member of the human race rather than an expert Bible student. (I'm not sure if any of my highlighted words and capital letters are technically correct but I recently found the bold button at the top and I don't like to waste it). I'm looking forward to finding out how to use the colours. Ha.

In a more serious tone, I do see so many human opinions written in the Bible. For example, Paul never met Jesus so some of what he says is clearly his own opinion based on what he though Jesus meant. I am not in any way denying that Paul did have vision on the way to Damascus but clearly he was for example, anti homosexual practices yet, Christ did not Himself condemn homosexuality rather He counselled against 'sexual immorality' and the concept of sexual immorality was different back in those days. I am neither condoning nor condemning gay life. It isn't any of my business what any person does in private especially anyone elses' private behaviour or desires. I find it hard to blame any person for an instinct over which we have no control as wrong. Man wasn't born with the desire to steal and so can amend this behaviour, people are born gay, by instinct, and the Bible doesn't punish man for his instincts.

I note the two commandments given by Christ to his followers as being the law for all Christians. Love God and love your fellow man as you do yourself. So many ideas are contained within the Bible, written whilst its' writers were 'thinking about God', that some of the personal opinions of the writers has crept into their work and could well be 'the writers' viewpoint only. Since Paul and Christ's brother James had such a falling out, and given that the person who never personally met Jesus became the spokesman for the group,

I can see parallels in this modern world. I never met Jesus. I wasn't there. Anything I write here I write because I am thinking about the subject and am only inspired by what I would morally expect from my Creator, whom I truly believe, is a great deal wiser than me. So was Paul so I'm not trying to debunk his words merely point out his opinions.

This is in essence the cause of the debate re - who truly is this faithful and wise, or faithful and discreet, slave. This forum raises this issue again and again and will always have trouble answering this because none of us were there and we are all guessing, based on our own understanding of scripture and directed by the heart we feel within us. Thus I in no way condemn things like homosexuality, it simply isn't my business and my heart tells me not to condemn a man for the way he was born. I do not recall Christ ever doing this.

Since Solomon stated that his son should guard his heart above all things I think it vital to remember this because we don't live in a black and white world, rather a world with many shades of grey. Please correct me if I am wrong, but my heart tells me something is going drastically wrong within the WBTS when the members are having to faithfully and discreetly cover the hidden motives behing joining the UN for example.

Some will state that Satan is causing confusion in our brains. This is NOT the case here. People are extremely curious, God made them that way and told them to understand the world round them. People are people and should never be held up so high that when they screw up we are left wondering what is going on. However, since the WBTS is no longer a member of the UN much of the problem is, at face value, resolved. However, what a bitter taste it leaves in the mouth when untruths are used as excuses.

I admire all men who feel a belief in a Creator. And until our Creator fully reveals Himself, as He promises He will, we must make the best of a mad situation, caused by our own madness and opinions and prejudices and hatreds.

It is a shame that so many Witnesses are prepared to unheartedly disconnect themselves from any who do not totally agree with every word that comes from the publications of the GB. When God spoke with Adam and Eve, they could both see God and knew it was Him they were talking to. It is said that they were perfect. But even then they had to discover things from direct experience. They were made that way and then they messed up. Even if the GB is the FDS, just like Adam and Eve, they are human.

Maybe we expect too much from our fellow humans, in this modern world we demand too much professionalism and perfection whilst imperfect ouselves. However, since we are created humans, with inbuilt instincts and curiosities, the FDS, if that is what it is and this isn't a denial that hey are, cannot behave in such cavalier fashion, leaving its workers out to dry and unable to morally explain its actions. The GB should be willing to publicallyrebuke itself whenever necessary just as it does to others.

The GB mustn't hide. Morally we ask it to prove to the world that it IS the faithful and wise servant of Jehovah God. The GB, to fulfill it's role as faithful must not behave like a slavemaster, nor refuse to openly answer it's critics.

Man's curiosity cannot be satisfied by misdirection. That is not God's work. But at least I've found the blue text thingy so it's probabyly still a lovely day after all and since I can still absorb air I can only assume that Jehovah has decided I can live a little longer, so 'Thank YOU Jehovah'.

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Is everybody barking up the wrong tree?

by andrekish in

an idea occurred to me that the fds may not be the gb but something slightly different.. i have no scriptural basis for this statement, only the practical evidence of what i can see and read.. the gb has been accused repeatedly of deceit and misleading people.

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the witnesses themselves as a group are certainly faithful to, and discrete about, their gb depite the gb's apparent errors.. i simply wonder if perhaps the individual witnesses themselves could fit this description: ' a faithful and discrete slave'.. this is entirely guesswork and pretty much unfounded on any solid evidence, merely a thought.. any ideas?.

andrekish

Clearly, I'm not actually an olive tree, unless I get buried beneath one and slowly get absorbed.

Clearly, I'm not part of anthing 'faithful' or 'discreet'.

Clearly, a GB which promotes itself as the overriding authority is not 'faithful' no matter how hidden, or 'discreet' it tries to be.

Some-one, somewhere, IS barking up the wrong tree and is mislead if they believe they are the 'FDS' and are in some way infallible. (I've not heard Witnesses describe themselves as this but many seem to place an almost worshiplike faith in their Governing Body). This I definately noticed to be the case and thought to be a little 'robotic.'

Witnesses DO fit the description of 'Faithful' and they are 'discreet', as do members of many groups and if ALL Christians are part of the FDS then they, the witnesses themselves could well be part of the FDS. The witnesses I have met would not raise themselves to this level, believing they are unworthy, but, as has been mentioned here on this topic, it could well be that ALL Christians are meant to be included. I don't know. It could be that false humility is preventing us from working out who actually is 'the faithful and wise servant'. And some Witnesses I have met have turned out to be dogmatic domineering madmen. On the whole, though, they aren't a bad bunch, they do mean well overall.

What puzzles me is that after Armageddon, which I certainly think is on its way, there will be a crowd that no man can number.

Witnesses keep good records of their numbers so this 'great crowd' surely, cannot be just them. Not unless, at Armageddon everyone loses their marbles and forgets how to count.

Still, what do I know? I've only got the one brain and that's due for a service.

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Is everybody barking up the wrong tree?

by andrekish in

an idea occurred to me that the fds may not be the gb but something slightly different.. i have no scriptural basis for this statement, only the practical evidence of what i can see and read.. the gb has been accused repeatedly of deceit and misleading people.

.

the witnesses themselves as a group are certainly faithful to, and discrete about, their gb depite the gb's apparent errors.. i simply wonder if perhaps the individual witnesses themselves could fit this description: ' a faithful and discrete slave'.. this is entirely guesswork and pretty much unfounded on any solid evidence, merely a thought.. any ideas?.

andrekish

Hiya OnTheWayOut,

Thanks.

Just checking for evidence that I'm an olive tree. Be right back.....

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Is everybody barking up the wrong tree?

by andrekish in

an idea occurred to me that the fds may not be the gb but something slightly different.. i have no scriptural basis for this statement, only the practical evidence of what i can see and read.. the gb has been accused repeatedly of deceit and misleading people.

.

the witnesses themselves as a group are certainly faithful to, and discrete about, their gb depite the gb's apparent errors.. i simply wonder if perhaps the individual witnesses themselves could fit this description: ' a faithful and discrete slave'.. this is entirely guesswork and pretty much unfounded on any solid evidence, merely a thought.. any ideas?.

andrekish

Hello Snowbird.

Very interesting amendment. and it looks like my speellang could do with a bitta werk. Sorry folks.

But Snowbird has made an excellent point and well worth considering.

Oh well. Back to the drawing board.

Will let you know when I come up with another bright idea.

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Is everybody barking up the wrong tree?

by andrekish in

an idea occurred to me that the fds may not be the gb but something slightly different.. i have no scriptural basis for this statement, only the practical evidence of what i can see and read.. the gb has been accused repeatedly of deceit and misleading people.

.

the witnesses themselves as a group are certainly faithful to, and discrete about, their gb depite the gb's apparent errors.. i simply wonder if perhaps the individual witnesses themselves could fit this description: ' a faithful and discrete slave'.. this is entirely guesswork and pretty much unfounded on any solid evidence, merely a thought.. any ideas?.

andrekish

An idea occurred to me that the FDS may not be the GB but something slightly different.

I have no scriptural basis for this statement, only the practical evidence of what I can see and read.

The GB has been accused repeatedly of deceit and misleading people.

The witnesses themselves as a group are certainly faithful to, and discrete about, their GB depite the GB's apparent errors.

I simply wonder if perhaps the individual witnesses themselves could fit this description: ' a faithful and discrete slave'.

This is ENTIRELY guesswork and pretty much unfounded on any solid evidence, merely a thought.

Any ideas?

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The Watchtower, a cult that worships the FDS and GB!

by VM44 in

with the continual emphasis that the watchtower places on following and trusting the fds and the gb in particular, one can only come to the following conclusion:.

the watchtower (and the jehovah's witnesses) are followers of a cult that worships the fds and the gb!.

essentially everything in the bible refers to the fds/gb.. everyone must listen to and follow what the gb says.. everyone must consume the "rich spiritual food" provided by the fds and the gb!.

andrekish

Hello Moshe. Thanks for your post. Your are correct that I do need to get out of the house more, probably quite a bit more.

I have studied the Bible with various groups and have honestly found that the general ideas put forward by Witnesses are consistant with the Bible, ie, God's Kingdom on earth, the end of this man made world, Jesus' instructions to get to the Father, etc, are actually in the Bible. However, it does seem that some within the WTBTS GB have not been entirely honest and the official reasons given seem a little hollow and not altogether Christian in ethic .

May I kindly ask what a Shill is? If it's horrible it's probably deserved anyway and I do have a very thick skin having once been a Mormon.

I must point out that this site is excellent for discovering the hidden history of the WTS - especially the links to the UN which are most surprising and confusing, and for that I thank ALL involved.

Overall, I still cannot help but think that most of what Witnesses say is very sound and well argued, even though they are as susceptable to human error as are all of us. I don't feel that the GB is deliberately trying to mislead, but I am NOT expert in this field and this is early opinion only. However, it is clear that personal conscience and the Bible must be my guide at this time rather than the Witnesses' GB, who I know very very little about just heresay and who do in all fairness appear to have a few questions to answer. Indeed, they may have already done so elsewhere that I haven't seen.

In conclusion - I'm no expert just a viewer so best wishes to ALL my fellow humans. - apparently, if you sit me in a quiet corner and pat me gently on the head occassionally in passing I stop waffling on.

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New CO talk: Be loyal to Org. even if you get weird instructions or can prove them wrong doctrinally!

by sir82 in

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theme was something about "loyalty to jehovah's visible organization".. i have neither the time nor inclination to summarize the whole thing, but a few points stood out:.

even if it causes you personal hardship.

example: joshua & caleb returned from spy trip to promised land with good report, but were "outvoted" by the other 10 spies.

andrekish

Solomon to David: 'Above all things guard your heart.'

If your heart does not comprehend instructions given by men then those instructions must at least be checked and verified, as must the reasoning behind those instructions. Surely the bosses know that it is unreasonable to expect conscience to be calmed when clearly suspect instructions are given and not accounted for.

Do not Jehovah's Witnesses themselves say that man can only dominate man to his injury? It therefore follows that surely it is vital to explain clearly all cases and intructions given whenever they cause confusion or bad conscience. I cannot recall any accounts of Christ saying 'Do this without question.'

Merely as a casual observer I ask: Does the WTS have a complaints department?

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Does God speak to you? HOW?

by Quentin in

an answer to this question is subjective to the individual an a posteriori experiene.

however, can there be an a priori experence, one that is objective, outside the bounds of personel experiene, or does it remain subjective?

god speaks to me, through many venus, except audible.

andrekish

What an excellent question. Hope this personal answer makes sense.

When I look at my hands and what is attached to them, ie the rest of me, I see the most amazing animated bio-technology in action. Formed from the ingredients of rock and liquid which cover this planet. And then I remember the stunning complex codes or hardwired DNA in every cell of my body, fused and linked to my brain's information processing system via a mindblowing network of living and growing nerve systems. 'What a stunning piece of work is life in all it's forms?' - quotation from Shakespeare (just in case it's copyrighted and Shakespeares lawyers are reading). Thus, to me our Creator displays his evidence and I look to hear His voice.

And the Darwinists shout: 'what a stunning piece of work is evolution.' And aren't they right? Of course they are. Science clearly sees the mechanics through which the universe unfolds. God didn't agree or disagree with Darwin but did give man the intellect to see clearly this evolutionary evidence and to work out the mechanics of the world. But a little voice inside says: 'So where did this computer code called DNA which is actively running in every cell of my body simultaneously come from?

And:

I have had, and keep getting, images in my head of events that later happen. Images that always, without fail, later turn out to be entirely accurate in all detail. I cannot find any branch of science which can explain this phenomena with any credibility. Sadly, this, and all paranormal/spiritual activity is as yet unexplainable by science.

So: How can a lump of flesh, dependant entirely on the physical world around it, see accurate events in the future? The only answer I have seen that makes any sense is that there is more to this world than we realise.

Since this phenomena has left me utterly convinced of the reality of the Creator is this God's way of talking to me? Who knows?

Perhaps it pays me to keep an open mind whilst I have yet to realise all the answers. Perhaps not. But whichever route I travel in my head the Creator speaks through logical scripture and kind heart. And kind heart tells me that our Creator went through a great deal of trouble placing and sustaining this universe. It appears to me that God wants this universe, and man, to continue its' existance, despite our human nonsense and wild ideas. God clearly wants us to have peace and joy on this earth. Does He not say so via His scriptures?

So I guess our loving Creator does speak to us, each in our own way, in order that we each hear His message in a way that we can realise and understand.

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The Watchtower, a cult that worships the FDS and GB!

by VM44 in

with the continual emphasis that the watchtower places on following and trusting the fds and the gb in particular, one can only come to the following conclusion:.

the watchtower (and the jehovah's witnesses) are followers of a cult that worships the fds and the gb!.

essentially everything in the bible refers to the fds/gb.. everyone must listen to and follow what the gb says.. everyone must consume the "rich spiritual food" provided by the fds and the gb!.

andrekish

All Bibles that I have seen from ALL denominations contain the following concept, although individual wording may vary: Jesus said 'no-one comes to the Father except through me.' He also said 'Our Father, in the heavens, hallowed be THY name.' At no point here was Christ saying everyone come to Him, or everyone worship HIS name. Jesus said everyone should come to the FATHER and should worship HIS FATHER's name. Christ also said: 'Not my will, but THY will be done.'

In fairness to Jehovah's Witnesses, whether you love them or hate them, they do appear to agree with this idea at least.

And in fairness to ALL those pointing out the changes that have occurred in Jehovah's Witness 'Dogma' you are absolutely correct.

Are we all making it up as we go along?