Posts by andrekish

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The Bible Truths of the Watchtower Corporation were really a commercial fraud supporting the distribution of the organization's literature

by Finkelstein in

one thing should be brought forward in all respect to truthful honesty is that the wts.

self proclaimed doctrines were fraudulently devised and created to attract the attention from the public eyes and mind.

in a way the wts.

andrekish

Hiya. I gotta feeling that the salesmen have forgot what they're supposed to be selling.

They're not supposed to be selling as you described so well above. They are way off target at the moment but they have got something important to say but they are well rubbish at doing it.

They's good at getting right up peoples' noses alright. All fanatics do. They have the delusion that everyone has to be a saleman and thats mentally and logically deficient. They are meant to be teachers 'coz some will be teachers and some will be other things. They've completely overlooked that in order to tick boxes.

If the techniques used currently by Jehovah's Witnesses to spread this message were used on a professional basis I'd sack the lot of them. They are rubbish. They display total, utter, unadulterated devotionally deluded madness.

No wonder NO-ONE with the vaguest incling of sanity wants to do that. You have to be beyond human and of the hermit, lets live in a cave forever, mentality to WANT to do that. Anyone who WANTS to do that, be it evangalist, politician, or saleman, has gotta be on some kind of drugs or high on a commission to WANT to do that. When Jesus said to his many disciples 'go and tell them I'm coming, I don't really think He meant go and do that. Who knows, Jesus might have said 'use yer email thingy' since I can't speak for Him and He was so poor and didn't own a laptop.

Hope Jesus ain't offended. One day He may well ask me about it and I'll still find it funny and I'll have to say it to His face 'coz He's probably gotta better sense of humour that the local Presiding Overseer who doesn't get on well with me at all. Just 'coz I can recognise an idiot when I see one he got the hump. Sad really, one carbon based biological technoligical living android getting the hump with another. S'funny really, but he don't think so. Oh well, tuff titties is what I say. He should stop wimping and take it on the chin like a man and stop getting God to do his dirty works as if he has ownership of the creator, eh?

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How the Governing Body produces accurate knowledge

by Terry in

the governing body is like the fella in that small town out west whom everybody agreed was "the best shot in town.".

a new guy rides into town one day.

a gunslinger with a gun strapped on to his hip.

andrekish

The Governing Body produces 'accurate knowledge' on a sliding scale of madnes.

Loved the illustration....spot on. I'm not a member of the clan because I noticed this and questioned it during 'bible studies' I had with Witnesses which simply were not Bible Studies in the true sense of the word but a series of rigid paragraphs and questions that don't really explain anything nor answer any genuine questions. Very, very sadly this is still true of the WT magazine and associated literature today.

I have to admit, though, that if there is a Creator God, and I am utterly convinced that there is from personal experience of the occult etc, we have all got to wait until the Creator reveals HimHer self to find out the truth. It really doesn't sound like the GB is being fair and honest with its clan members but we may be reading their efforts through a glass darkly.

I hope nobody finds this next sentence offensive because it isn't meant to be: The WTBS society are as bonkers as the rest of us. They are human people who may have gone off the rails slightly and their accounts and interpretations of the prophecies may be off target but wouldn't this world be boring if we were all sane? We absolutely need nutcases because we are all nutcases in our own sweet little ways. This is an unavoidable condition in a young and immature species such as ourselves.

So therefore, using this kind of logic, the accuracy of this knowledge being put forward is bound to be a little off target at times. I knew this to be completely true and accurate from a history of membership of the Mormon Latter Day Saints. I was a saint for a while. And what a saint I was. Gave up the ciggies and everything on the simple basis of 'in for a penny then may as well be in for a pound', (currencies may vary). In hindsight this was an insane but brilliant idea. Taught me never to do that again and I was, and still am, as mad as everyone else on this planet. The accuracy of the Mormon bible knowlegde flounders on page one. As Mormons we were told that the bible had to be true because there are several thousand wars in it. And thus the Book of Mormon had to be accurate because that had even more wars in it. This would be funny if it wasn't actually, totally, utterly true. In real life this isn't so funny because it's downright dangerous. At this point religion starts to border on sane madness, ie, the people who say it think that they are sane. They're not, none of us are. And their accurate knowledge of the bible is a bit dim to say the least.

So here lies the crux of the matter:

1....We are all insane in our own little ways, thus

2....Most people who find religion become certifiably insaner, and willing to believe many things without question and in defiance of the facts.

3....Those who think they are sane are probably not actually sane, rather insane with the odd occurrence of sanity.

The 'accuracy' of the 'knowledge' of the scriptures as explained by the WTBS is quite possibly extremely mad in some areas.

But their explaination of the prophesies in the books of Daniel and Revelations are pretty good. They leave the Mormons floundering 'coz the Mormons truly don't have a clue and the Witnesses truly do. And although I don't go anywhere near Kingdom Halls due to the madness being described on this site, at the end of the day the apocalypse is coming and I hope it isn't long 'coz I can't wait for all of this insanity to end.

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I've made an appointment to see the head teacher about God and creation

by not bitter in

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a bit of background.

my 6 year old talks about god an awful lot.

well more than i'm comfortable with.

andrekish

What IS being taught as Scientific Fact?

Unfortunately, as an avid follower of Richard Dawkins, it is obvious that he has no real proof either way in this debate. He stated on TV recently that he was waiting for the age of enlightenment when all religions are proved wrong and mankind developes into an age of scientific enlightenment. This is pure speculation on his part and bears no evidence to reality or what we are seeing on the ground.

Bear in mind that scientists are as much bound by their conditioning and what they want to believe as is everyone else on this planet.

Richard Dawkins cannot disprove the existence of a creator any more than he can disprove the arrive of next monday. Knowledge of a creator is beyond his grasp at present because he shackles himself to an athiestic scientific viewpoint and utterly discards and idea of religion. This alone means that he is sifting his facts and disregarding religion and therefore missing some of the most useful information available.

The old Judaic scrolls stated that the earth was round. And they were right.

And since Richard Dawkins will not entertain the ideas of esp, etc, he has closed his mind to the facts. As someone who repeated sees images of events that later occur I can categorically state from personal experience that these is so much more in this universe that science will never explain because, strangely, science doesn't believe it. You simply cannot discover the truth if you only examine half of the evidence. And remember, scientists are befuffled by the concept of an increasingly expanding universe and are groping for answers, even to the point of building a huge site underground just to check for a smashed atom and its relative particles.

The old Judic scrolls stated that man was dead and oblivious to everything once life had left the body. This doesn't contradict any scientific veiwpoint

Here in the UK last week on TV a group of school leavers were interviewed and all stated that 'nothing' was in existance prior to the big bang yet a recent meeting of the scientists at the cern labs (where the large hadron collider lives) asked those present which of them thought that the big bang was the beginning of everything. Not one scientist at that meeting believed the idea of nothing before the big bang. This is the most current scientific theory, and is utterly different to the stuff being taught in UK schools as FACT.

Overall, it truly does not matter what any child currently believes. All scientific knowledge is being constantly advanced and the veiwpoint that will be prevalent by the time your child is 21 will be totally different. So if the teachers cannot teach the truth then show your children the truth as you see it yourself. Your child's teachers are under contract to teach the current curricullem not the facts.

Perhaps ask yourself this question: Has anybody any true idea of exactly what is happening in this universe?

The answer is a definate 'No'.

Perhaps ask your child's headteacher if they have any true idea of what is happening in reality out there.

Their honest answer also has to be 'No'

Therefore it will have to be the parents of each child who sifts through the school curricullem and the democratic propaganda dished out by the state.

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Old People Should Hurry Up and Die - says the New Japanese Finance Minister

by fulltimestudent in

the newish japanese government is conservative in bent, and its finance minister recently raised eyebrows with the above statement.

japan, as you may know, is a rapidly aging society as the long falling birthrate bites into the demographics.. here's how the english guardian reports this tale:.

let elderly people 'hurry up and die', says japanese ministertaro aso says he would refuse end-of-life care and would 'feel bad' knowing treatment was paid for by government.

andrekish

Can't see the problem. It;s rude to be late, even for the grim reaper.

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When a Cat Becomes a Skeptic

by metatron in

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http://oddstuffmagazine.com/have-you-ever-seen-cat-with-eyebrows.html.

"did i hear you say tutored or neutered?".

metatron.

andrekish

Them's not eyebrows. They are horns.

That cat could do with a shave.

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Survey: Who here is an atheist? Who here still believes in God?

by Christ Alone in

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i just wanted to take a survey.

let's not let this get into the same old same old debate of atheism vs belief.

just respond with "atheist" or "believer" or "maybe god exists".

andrekish

Absolute believer. (am an ex-Occultist) and very very very very definately a believer 'coz seeing IS believing.

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The Rise Of America's Lunatic Fringe

by metatron in

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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-01-30/rise-americas-lunatic-fringe.

every once in a while, you read an article that really puts it all together (or spot on, as some would say).

ever on the fringe,.

andrekish

The most glaring lunatic fringe isn't American, although they do practice lunacy to a remarkably proficient degree.

The most glaring lunatic fringe isn't democracy, although that lunacy is practiced with global proficiency.

The most glaring lunatic fringe isn't religious practice, although some religious ideas are clearly leagues beyond lunacy, (isn't that right Benedict 16th and the Daily Lama?).

The most glaring lunactic fringe is US LOT. WE HUMANS ALL IN A POT.

ALL OF US PUT TOGETHER INTO ANY ENTIRELY UNCONTROLLABLE SPECIES.

And between us all we've got this lunatic business down to a fine art and surprise, surprise, practice make perfect.

Armageddon is coming.

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I HAVE NEVER MET A JW WHO WAS NOT HAPPY...

by OneStepOut93 in

says a woman on a y!a forum.

of course no witness would say they weren't happy .

by the waaaaaay.... .

andrekish

You haven't met one of the ex elders from here in the UK. He's currently doing loads of time for child abuse.

He ain't happy.

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Imagine if the GB called you in for questioning

by nolongerconfused in

what would you tell or ask these group of men if they called you in for a meeting?.

.

andrekish

I would ask them the same as I ask every scientist or religious person I come across......why do I keep getting images in my head of events that later happen?

And I'd ask them about God.

Then I'd ask God about them.

Then I'd be confused.

And I'd ask them 'When did the Creator put you lot in charge?'

And.....'Do you actually have any idea what you are doing and what effect you are having?'

And 'Would you all like to buy some nice ties to go with those silly suits you keep putting on?' (No wonder witnesses have such a hard time on the doors....

when you all look like detectives.

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Sickening Dilemma

by ItsMyLife in

i would like to have your opinions on what i should do about a situation please.. i have recently discovered that a 'brother' in the congregation (which i no longer attend) is a child molester.

i've seen documentation from his psychiatrist dated a few years ago, stating that he doesn't feel that this person is likely to offend again.

the 'brother' has said to the elders at some point that he has it under control but cannot be 100% sure it won't happen again.

andrekish

This happened here in the UK and the child molester, now in jail, didn't stop himself. Eventually one of his young victims grew up and subsequently reporting his molestations and rapes. Following this the man was arrested, hauled through the courts and the press and hailed of a monster.

http://www.silentlambs.org/georgecockerillukmolester.htm

This man was the person in charge of checking child abuse within the congreation and carried on his assualts and rapes for 40 years until stopped. It would appear that some people who abuse kids are unstoppable without the police being involved. It would also appear that some who have paedophile thinking do not go on to attack kids but refrain themselves and possibly Jehovah will accept their non-activity in paedophilia as proof they can control themselves but I would bet this is the least likely of cases.

For the protection of the kids involved and the future victims of this crime someone in some authority must be informed but, as was discovered here in the UK, you simply cannot trust everybody. It took 40 years to unravel the assualts on kids here so potentially the JW organisation is not the most reliable place to report this since the desire to keep things under the carpet and out of the media may be too great.

Since I was at the receiving end of this kind of abuse by a completely different organisation as a child my opinion is that I 'would be marching into my local police station and reporting all of the details to them' but for the fact that it was a social worker who was involved when I was young. Trying to get any authority to listen and act is a task in itself since I found out to my own cost that NO group or organisation or authority can prevent paedophiles carrying out their acts nor properly protect our kids. Which ever way you go NO-ONE can be truly relied on to help as it simply takes a lack of tangible proof and reasonable sounding denial by the paedophile to prevent this ever going further.

However, the one person who CAN be relied on in this matter will be the mother of the endangered kids. Take care in how she is told, if you tell her, so that she doesn't suspect your motives of being unreliable. It is a child's mother who must take the ultimate responsibility for her partner and her kids and it would be or great use to her to know. If her kids were later abused by this person and the Creator knows you knew of the danger then she would have to right to ask for the reasons for your hesitation in offering this information to her.

I would definately report the elders of the congregation to the authorities. THEY are compounding the dangers to these kids with their notions of not bringing Jehovah's name into disrepute here. And their inactivity is unforgivable. In this regard they will have to answer to Jehovah himself. Our Creator created all of this universe based on love and joy of sharing it with everyone and everything.

Paedophiles don't bring joy, nor does anyone who sits on this kind of information. Jehovahis not a God if hidden shame, He is a god of openness and protection and although I cannot speak for Jehovah as a parent I can understand how I would react. I would tell the prospective partner with great urgency. Being raised infoster homes and childrens' homes I know that having no parents to protect me was the thing that lead to my being abused so please, please, please inform someone.