Posts by andrekish

former witness taking on watch tower graeme hammond from: sunday herald sun april 10, 201112:00ama former jehovah's witness is to launch a private criminal prosecution against the religion's world headquarters.

his action is in protest at its refusal to require church elders to submit to working with children police checks in victoria.

andrekish

This seems to be a major problem internationally.

http://www.silentlambs.org/GeorgeCockerillukmolester.htm This article talks about a guy who is the grandfather of my neighbour's kids....George Cockerill, a guy I thoguht I knew quite well.

But this isn't unique.....

This happened when I was ward clerk as a Mormon elder, when it was my job to minute all of the meetings and what went on behind those closed meeting doors was so shocking it caused me to realise that the Mormon church was corrupt and therefore antichristian. And when one of the granddads in our congregation did exactly the same thing there was lots of embarassed coughing among those elders at the private meeting discussing it. It was only because one of the Mormon elders was a decent man and a copper that the old guy got investigated properly and prosecuted that the young kids involved could feel any sense of justice. But that doesn't undo the hurt and embarassment for the kids involved. That I do know from personal experience.

Doesn't look like the GB of Jehovahs Witnesses are any better than the general running of the Mormon chruch at the moment. Just as well it isn't an organisation that will enter God's Kingdom, however it arrives, or God's Kingdom will be very short lived indeed and we will all end up disfellowshipping each other until we've all got the strops.

I went through this kinda crap as a kid, but that was done by social workers of all people. It really doesn't give me any faith in any organisational ability among tosspot humanity. There are creeps and crooks in every direction anyone looks and hiding under every rock. We humans just don't want to behave ourselves.

Although I don't believe in the current 'child worship' that seems to be prevalent these days no kids deserve to be subjected to any of this abuse and molestation. Neither should they be subjected to religious slavery on anyone's behalf. If a kid cannot vote then that kid cannot decide to be baptised. If that kid cannot be baptised then that kid cannot be forced to work for that religion.

Maybe we should just send all the kids back down the mines or into the cotton mills. We knew what they were up to then and you can't be evangelising on a cold street corner when you are stuck up a chimney, just ask Oliver Twist.....they knew how to treat kids in those days.

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Hear Ye, Hear Ye: Barbara Anderson sharing April 10th Australian Newspaper Article about WT and back ground checks

by AndersonsInfo in

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/ipad/former-witness-taking-on-watch-tower/story-fn6bfmgc-1226036543156.

former witness taking on watch tower graeme hammond from: sunday herald sun april 10, 201112:00ama former jehovah's witness is to launch a private criminal prosecution against the religion's world headquarters.

his action is in protest at its refusal to require church elders to submit to working with children police checks in victoria.

andrekish

This seems to be a major problem internationally.

http://www.silentlambs.org/GeorgeCockerillukmolester.htm This article talks about a guy who is the grandfather of my neighbour's kids....George Cockerill, a guy I thoguht I knew quite well.

But this isn't unique.....

This happened when I was ward clerk as a Mormon elder, when it was my job to minute all of the meetings and what went on behind those closed meeting doors was so shocking it caused me to realise that the Mormon church was corrupt and therefore antichristian. And when one of the granddads in our congregation did exactly the same thing there was lots of embarassed coughing among those elders at the private meeting discussing it. It was only because one of the Mormon elders was a decent man and a copper that the old guy got investigated properly and prosecuted that the young kids involved could feel any sense of justice. But that doesn't undo the hurt and embarassment for the kids involved. That I do know from personal experience.

Doesn't look like the GB of Jehovahs Witnesses are any better than the general running of the Mormon chruch at the moment. Just as well it isn't an organisation that will enter God's Kingdom, however it arrives, or God's Kingdom will be very short lived indeed and we will all end up disfellowshipping each other until we've all got the strops.

I went through this kinda crap as a kid, but that was done by social workers of all people. It really doesn't give me any faith in any organisational ability among tosspot humanity. There are creeps and crooks in every direction anyone looks and hiding under every rock. We humans just don't want to behave ourselves.

Although I don't believe in the current 'child worship' that seems to be prevalent these days no kids deserve to be subjected to any of this abuse and molestation. Neither should they be subjected to religious slavery on anyone's behalf. If a kid cannot vote then that kid cannot decide to be baptised. If that kid cannot be baptised then that kid cannot be forced to work for that religion.

Maybe we should just send all the kids back down the mines or into the cotton mills. We knew what they were up to then and you can't be evangelising on a cold street corner when you are stuck up a chimney, just ask Oliver Twist.....they knew how to treat kids in those days.

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2011 Yearbook-PDF!

by Atlantis in

2011 yearbook-pdf!bookmarked, searchable, reduced.

(credit to bbs, he can reduce files better than i can.

)http://www.sendspace.com/file/js26i9atlantis

andrekish

Many thanks.

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THE OSAMA ENIGMA! THE NECKBEARD THEORY THAT IS SURE TO ANGER SHEEPLE.

by NeckBeard in

connecting the dots on the scandal of the century.

ok. so we got osama bin smoked killed dead a few days ago, right?.

here are some weird things:.

andrekish

The death of Osama Bin Laden does not improve anything.

There are no less guns and no fewer missiles. Just groups of people everywhere who want to rip each others' guts out. While destitute people sleep on the streets of Pakistan the United States and European cash pays millions for military attacks by the US and NATO on those they hate. Meanwhile civilians are littered all across the earth in bloody heaps. And while destitute people sleep on the streets and in the parks of the US their government gloats about how clever and powerful it is....it only took the strongest military power on the planet ten years to find Bin Laden right under their noses. And the moment they say they have found him what happens? Blood and more blood. Men women and children attacked with helicopters and massive gunfire.

So where are the real terrorists? It won't take ten years to find them. They reside in positions of power in Washington, in Downing Street London, in Al-Queda and in France and all across Europe in ALL of their governments. It exists in the halls of the Vatican where silence reigns again and gold drips from every archbishop's fingers and the pope is carried on an obscene golden throne paid for by the Vatican hoards of cash.

These are the real terrorists who claim to protect civilians yet blast their way through every home and housing estate that gets in their way. No care for those kids and families who suffer the 'collateral damage' or murder by military. Not one jot of concern for anyone or anything other than their monetary policies and how to make sure they can keep robbing everyone whilst highlighting the villainy of their enemies.

Whilst the death of Osama Bin Laden may go some way to satisfy the bloodlust dripping from the US media it solves nothing else but to re-inforce the old saying: ' Violence leads to more violence,'

How many of us will allow the death of Bin Laden to be an end to things? I think very few. How many of us seem to want only more blood? If the globally controlled media is to be believed ALL of us. So lets wait for the next waves of violence as the pentagon acts upon the data it got from Bin Laden's compound and demonstrates to the world what big explosions it can make.

None of the reasons for Bin Ladens murderous attacks on the United States have been addressed, resolved or even noticed by the militaries of the world....and now NATO is getting its claws into the oilfields of Libya, (has anyone noticed that Libya isn't in the North Atlantic or Europe nor does it pose a threat to either). NATO is a military machine set up to protect Europe against the USSR not play kingmaker in Africa. But the west now has Gaddafi's gold in its hands and can now give the rebels military aid and advice in recompense. Not one penny of Gaddafi's stolen hoards will beneift the ordinary people of Libya. It will line the pockets of the western bankers instead. And the bloodshed continues.

The death of Osama Bin Laden changes nothing but simply gives the United States reasons to gloat. Whatever happened to American pride in its ideals? Blown away with the twin towers along with all the tens of thousands killed by military interventions as western forces continued their attempted economic global takeover.

And so today all our strings are being pulled and manipulated by words and thoughts of blood.

Just as the Bible says.

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what about a donation box for the poor?

by Evidently Apostate in

one of the things i hate most about this corporate religion is they have a money box for many things that "bring praise to jah".

wordwide work.

convention expenses.

andrekish

Hi Evidently Apostate.

If you are concerned by the seeming lack of charitable work within the organisation then your heart may not be as apostate as you may have been led by some to believe.

It always puzzled me why there were no visible charity works when I had a Bible Study a while back. It seemed to lack heart and the one thing I felt very strongly at the various meeting I attended was....

A complete lack of compassion. Heartless. Cold.

That was the impression I got whenever I heard charity or good works toward fellow humans mentioned.

I keep saying this to all my friends etc.....I think Solomon said it:

'Above all things guard your heart'....(somewhere in the Bible at the beginning of Proverbs). I truly don't think many witnesses regard this as important yet it is vital because a good heart can help when having to make decisions when caught between a rock and a hard place. Because then at least conscience and compassion can be used as templates for thought.

However, I think the GB of the Witnesses organisation gets a little above itself and regards itself as the only reputable authority where-as it is the GOOD HEART of a person that is the most important asset any person can have. It is this that instinctively tells us that the guy next door in is in trouble and could do with a bit of help. It is this good heart that tells us not to wreck our planet and hurt each other.

Christ said: treat others as you would like to be treated. That means we have to help our fellow man and MUST include charity towards our brother humans, not too sure if you ladies deserve it yet.....(I'm dead if anyone wants me).

I also think that the GB is unaware that it is simply the SALES Division of this organisation and that many, many people exist on the outside who fulfill other roles in life since we cannot all be teachers. It is wrong for teachers to place themselves higher or as more significant than anyone else.

As a result, many Witnesses get so wrapped up in their books that they forget to hear the screams of their fellow men.

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I am seriously considering writing an E-book

by AK - Jeff in

it is wise for a first time writer to write about what he knows, so i will write about my lifetime as a jehovah's witness.

but it will likely be less autobiographical and more about the sub-level markers that eventually pointed me out of the cult, doctrinal matters that bothered me under the surface, and the very real lack of love in that organization.. ideas?

thoughts?

andrekish

Hi Jeff. Sounds like an interesting idea. And it could raise a few eyebrows. I'm sure quite a few people would be interested to hear what goes on behind the scenes and how tough it can be to be raised within such an organisation.

Just a brief thought only here, maybe you could write in novel form to prevent court orders and silencing techniques being used. It could give you a great deal more room to express opinions and describe real events without causing problems for anyone involved. And when describing the events within an organisation with lots of lawyers this could save you a fortune.

If you do write an ebook about your experiences I would certainly want a copy so if you do write this let us know please. My name can be used @gmail so please let me know.

Hope it goes well. ------ AndreKish

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BBC Video: Does Christianity Have a Future?

by leavingwt in

jw
friends

this documentary was broadcast on april 17, 2011. .

"according to some, christianity in the uk has no future.

closure of churches and falling attendances in the last few decades appear to show that the christian faith is in terminal decline.".

andrekish

I watched this program on TV a few days back.

I live less than a mile from the church in Brighton that Anne visited (St. Peter's Church) and which holds the Alpha course. This church was previously the parish church of Brighton but these days no-one cares so it is falling down. All over Brighton the Alpha Course is being promoted by lots of Christian denominations. This may be the future.

It struck me that the Pentecostal organisation using this church now that the old congregation has declined are as bonkers as most other groups but with modern music and amplifiers. I couldn't see much difference between this emotional beat-driven high and the high that ravers get with their Ecstacy just with a little bit of God chucked in to make everyone feel good. I don't think many people realise the similarities between this and shamanistic trance induction.

If this rush to media/contemporary driven services continues then the main future for Christianity will be with Pope Simon Cowell and his New JC Factor show.

Surely, the praise of our Creator should be our actions not our vocal abilities.

But at least they believe in God so who knows where their paths will take them and as fellow humans I wish them well. If they keep this up they will be as mad as the rest of us quite quickly.

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Three Glass In and Off I Go!

by headisspinning in

jw
friends

well, i've been having some serious anxiety today.

i just felt like shutting down for most of the day.

now here it is 6:16 pm and the memorial is at 8 pm.. thank god i'm three glasses in (wine!)...

andrekish

Hi All. It doesn't sound like everyone is looking forward to Easter. Do remember this sound advice.

You puke, You wipe.

Hey Vampire. 'It would be funny as hell'. It would be absolutely hilarious. Do you think anyone at the meeting would notice? They might if puking occurred here in the UK 'coz they love looking over the top of their glasses and tutting at someone. It seems to be generic in all groups of people and you just can't get away from it. People do love a go old moan. Especially the oldies.

I dropped a bottle of plonk that slowly rolled down the aisle at midnight mass a few years back before I saw the light. Get square bottles is my recommendation.

What is the significance of the Sunday before Easter? Why don't people want to go to the meeting then? I only went to KH for a few months a few years back and I have no recollection of the meeting I was at the Sunday before Easter at all. I was clearly paying great attention. I realised very quickly that a Kingdom Hall is not a place that encourages debate. Try asking a question on a Sunday that ain't in the Watchtower and everyone looks at you like you farted.

I got away with it....

'coz I didn't know any better,

I guess they put it down to the fact that I was a visitor and therefore 'a bear of very little brain' and not much higher up the food chain than a piranah. I even got a cup of tea after.......before they put me straight. And 'coz I wasn't taking insiduous remarks without a punch up I put them straight. My brain, my mouth, my question. If they can't handle a question outside of the organised meeting structure then the structure is too rigid and so are they for being daft enough not to be able to adapt to need. Humans do get so set in their ways as they age.

And all that time they were in the UN and they didn't know it. Talk about the left hand not knowing what the right hand is up to.

Now THAT'S hilarious 'coz they got themselves in a right bother and handed thier enemies a hand grenade with their address written on it.

Who-ever walks on this earth in the future, and I hope the Aztecs and the Babylonians and the Greeks, etc, etc, etc, all humanity, all of US get another crack at the whip as the Bible says. It's not the GB who decides the judgements of our Creator and who walks this planet again it is Christ if you are a Christian. This may sound mad but I'd love if it I was dead and someone woke me back up. Especially if the second of my visits wasn't in this human nightmare and every day was like Christmas just as promised.

So although I don't go into KHs 'coz of the tutting I do remember the promise made to Christians. I makes me wonder if there will be a celebration in the future named to remind us later on of RESURRECTION DAY. And since we can all enjoy the fruits of our labours/vineyards I suppose we might well do a bit of puking then. And we can ALL have another good old moan together.

Some things will never change.