A true example of turning the other cheek. Not much of a believer but still think that advice is good advice. He should pat himself on the back for doing the right thing.
Don't forget the Elders are under the same spell as the rank and file JWs
i have a lifelong buddy (g) who is now df'd ....doing great and happy.
he has a nice boat.
a while back he gets a call from a very well known elder who, of course, shuns him.. elder: "hi g. i know this is a little strange, but i don't know who else to call".
A true example of turning the other cheek. Not much of a believer but still think that advice is good advice. He should pat himself on the back for doing the right thing.
Don't forget the Elders are under the same spell as the rank and file JWs
I can understand wanting to get the people you care about out but honestly most of the JWs I knew deserved to be there.
How do you know that being a JW isn't God's punishment for something?
Maybe the Hindus are right and the children of JWs are bing punished for sins in their previous life.
ok, am i correct in saying that the fds never stated armegedon was coming in 75'?
however, they led everyone to believe it was coming in 75'?.
if the latter question is true, can you provide links to talks or articles that point to this?
http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/1975.php
And search google for jehovah and 1975 that should keep you quite busy.
i don't and am very unlikely to after seeing my father dying of a smoking related lung disease (even though i would like to try a high quality cigar).. but i am curious to see how many people take up smoking after leaving the org.. .
I started smoking when I drank with friends worked up to a pack a week for about a year. Now I'm back to very occasionally when I'm out with friends that smoke.
hello.. here is some thought provoking debate that may help people investigate the true nature of the watch tower society.. this surely should be something that everyone who belongs to the society and any one who plans to convert should do.. i did this myself, after getting involved with a girl who was a fanatical jw and by doing so, i believe that i discovered the true nature of the wt.. but please, do not take my word for it, please do your own research and reading.. this is really important as by signing up or getting baptised as a jw, you are basically surendering your own personal rights to an unknown authority who proclaims to speak for god.
and by doing so you will suffer major negative socio-economic implications on a daily basis due to the restrictions and demands enforced by those involved and in control of the ws.. personally, learning how the watch tower society got started was enough to convince me that the watch tower society is not what it proclaims to be.
my suspicions were compounded after learning more about nathan knors (past president of the watch tower society) involvement with the nazi's in the second world war.. for those out there who do not know how the watch tower society got started, i recommend that you research the main man behind it joseph franklin rutherford, as it was not as many jw's believe, charles taze russel who started the society but russel's lawyer joseph franklin rutherford, a man whom in my opinion was of questionable character, who underhandedly seized power over russel's followers after russel's death.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/watch_tower_society_presidency_dispute_(1917).
Well it isn't a Pyramid Scheme. But it seems a bit like you are preaching to the choir
i've only very recently discovered this site and have been reading many compelling personal accounts and testimonials.
i'd like to share my own as well.. i was born into 'the truth' in the early 1970s.
along with my several (fleshly) brothers and sisters, i went through the usual travails of a witness boy - not celebrating birthdays, not pledging allegiance to the flag, not singing christmas carols in the class chorus.
Cheers and welcome.
it happens without warning.
you have a stroke.
you get ms. you are in a car accident.. they put you in the hospital.
This post reminded me of the one person I respect as a JW. He truly dedicated his live to living by the principles he believed in.
Every person in our territory knew who he was because he was out there every day going door to door.
And when he got old, senile and was acting a bit crazy I remember one of the elders showing no sympathy for him and even made some derisive comment to the tune of since he didn't have an actual medical condition there was no excuse for his behavior.
Interestingly searching or his name on google I found this link:
http://richarddawkins.net/articles/646182-birds-ended-reign-of-giant-insects.
giant insects ruled the prehistoric skies during periods when earths atmosphere was rich in oxygen.
they reached their biggest sizes about 300 million years ago during the late carboniferous and early permian periods.
I think he didn't like bugs... or unicorns... or dinosaurs.
Kent Hovind Says Noah brought dinosaurs on the ark but he only brought the baby ones
hello old friends, i've been thinking about going back and need you all to give me your thoughts on it.. the last year has been a horribe one for me, in the span of less than a year the following things have happened to me:.
lost my mom to cancergot hit by a carhad a professional set back that will cost over 600k to resolveended a three and a half year relationshipit just feels like every time i think things are going to get better something else hits me and knocks me down, a small part of me wonders wether i brought all these things on myself because i left the organization (yes i know how silly that sounds) and i have given serious thought about going back.
i need you guys to talk me out of it!.
I do agree with everyone that those experiences are not because you left.
If there was a cause other than coincidence, then it is more likely that your experiences as a JW prevented you from learning when and how to take risks and who to trust. Letting someone else do the thinking for you doesn't usually have good results.
But from the other side of the coin, my attempt to go back is what finally helped me make the decision to never go back. I have a friend who, last time I talked to her, had resigned herself to dying at Armageddon. I'm glad I don't have to live with something like that over my head. You now have a different perspective and expectations so you will be able to see things as they are rather than as the JWs tell you they are. So even if you go back I don't think you will stay for long.
i'm sort of following a stream of consciousness so bear with me.
i was flipping around on tv and ran across an old movie.
a couple had a one night stand and when she realized he had just used her she was shocked and told him he had said he loved her.
Not sure if it was being a JW or bad parenting, probably a bit of both but I never had any real close relationships with other JWs and wasn't allowed to find friends outside the JWs. I didn't really know this was the case until I moved across the country and for the most part not one of my so called friends called or visited. We didn't have email in those days. But honestly this probably was a good thing for my recovery. Since I was already distanced from my "friends" I didn't have as much to lose when I got DFed