I liked Adler but was disappointed in his reasoning on God. He even went so far as to get a Christian baptism very late in life.
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A fascinating interview conducted by Mike Wallace in 1958
by Terry inin 1958 mike wallace conducted a most fascinating televised interview with mortimer j. adler the philosopher and educator, author behind the encyclopedia brittanica's great books and great ideas series.. the discussion is amazingly prescient of today's severe conflict between conservatives and liberals and their argument over the.
unfairness and injustice of capitalism.. in this interview adler actually predicts that in 50 years (2008) the economy would collapse if steps were not immediately taken to.
address the drift by our government toward wrong policy.. .
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A fascinating interview conducted by Mike Wallace in 1958
by Terry inin 1958 mike wallace conducted a most fascinating televised interview with mortimer j. adler the philosopher and educator, author behind the encyclopedia brittanica's great books and great ideas series.. the discussion is amazingly prescient of today's severe conflict between conservatives and liberals and their argument over the.
unfairness and injustice of capitalism.. in this interview adler actually predicts that in 50 years (2008) the economy would collapse if steps were not immediately taken to.
address the drift by our government toward wrong policy.. .
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Unions were necessary but they should have taken stock options instead of wage increases. That way they would have the opportunity to share risk.
If unions would have gotten stock options they would have been thrilled that American companies would go overseas for cheaper labor.
There is an economic model where everyone is given a loan of say $250,000 invested in a super-stock made up of a combination of the 100 best performing stocks. This would be endowed at birth. The government would be paid back in dividends. When the loan has been paid back the person would receive ownership of the funds and could then roll them over or draw on the funds. This would be a way for everyone to have a stake in the capitalistic system.
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What's your Myers-Briggs?
by Londo111 ini am infp.. some former witnesses in my hometown had a meetup last night...alas, only four of us.
but it turned out we had an infp(me), two infjs, and an enfp.
therefore, it turned out we were all idealists.
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Myers-Briggs is based on dichotomous (split/either-or) dimensions. But nature loves the average as is borne out by the bell curve.
MBTI insists you are either Introverted or extroverted, Sensation or Intuition, Feeling or thinking, Perceptive or Judging. The reality is that most people fall very close to the middle in at least one of those dimension. Some are in the middle in three. This means that it is very easy to flip over to another temperament description. When there is a tug-o-war going on between E/I, T/F, S/N, J/P the environment plays a very significant role in which dominates.
Psychotherapy, is based on the idea that everyone makes poor adaptations. People surrender their natural selves to external pressures. They take on a personality that is quite different from their normal constitution. That's what therapy is supposed to do - help you recover your true self. But there is no direct way to do that. It takes a lot of talk, frustration, and sorting out.
The trouble with the written tests like DISC, MBTI, Enneagram etc. is you have no ground zero. The adapted self takes the test and is often quite different from one's natural self. But at least half the people who take these tests are fairly well adapted and there is a strong congruency between their natural self and test results. This is sufficient to create enthusiasm for these tests. But for the other half it just creates confusion.
It's like astrology. The twelve signs are generally accurate clusters of traits that go together. However, there is no connection whatever between birth date and a person's sign description. But, at least a fourth of the people have a lucky hit and become believers and swear by it.
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What's your Myers-Briggs?
by Londo111 ini am infp.. some former witnesses in my hometown had a meetup last night...alas, only four of us.
but it turned out we had an infp(me), two infjs, and an enfp.
therefore, it turned out we were all idealists.
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The MBTI is popular but severely flawed. Lot has been written about it.
Big 5 assessments are considered more reliable.
There are major problems with ALL paper and pencil tests. They basically ask you what you think you are and then tell you that you are exactly what you think you are.
Jungians generally don't like MBTI. There is no way of knowing which configuration of your SELF is taking the test.
It is also abused when you try to classify someone else. (Human Resources) You tend to look at others through your own distorted perceptions. What are you typing? The other person's Persona? (Their public charade?)
MBTI is too nice to people. It doesn't address the crazy side which we all have.
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DC theme any year
by jean-luc picard infirst of all , may i wish you all a happy new year.. in response to obaracs earlier thread, i think it would be amusing to list all the dc themes that we can remember.. it would be interesting to compile them in excel and amusing to see the irony in them over the decades.. so what themes do you recall, and from what year?.
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In the list of themes God's "name" appears only once.
"God" appears 13 times.
"Divine" appears 10 times.
It appears they don't take their God's "personal name" too seriously.
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Any actual Witnesses here?
by trthskr ini found this site hoping to read topics submitted by jw's so i could learn more, but it just seems to be everyone else here except them.
just about every topic and member is just bashing jw's and their teachings.
this site should be renamed "jwbashertrolls.net".
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1975 Denial
1975 was the pet project of Fred W. Franz.
I personally had a conversation with Karl Klein (GB) and he lamented all the consequences of the 1975 fiasco.
In fact he said they (big shots & writers) were razzing Freddy right into the summer of 1975 asking him if he still thought something was going to happen.
How did Freddy the Prophet answer them?
"It's not October yet. Just wait. You'll see in October."
No one has to believe this. But I swear to whatever higher power that might exist that I heard this from Karl Kleins own mouth.
Anyone who knows how the Watchtower controls information would have to believe that any so called "rumors" had the backing of the society. They control everything - even the rumors. What's more. I never heard a talk during any assembly local or international where the society tried to squelch the rumors about 1975.
To end the rumors they only had to say something like this: "You know dear brother & sisters it has come to our attention that some of you are saying that 1975 is a marked year - that at the very least it will be the start of the Great Tribulation. Well, we on the Governing Body have never said that. And we want all such talk to stop immediately. After all the Bible never gave us a year or date when the Tribulation would begin. Be careful lest you give us the image of being false prophets. We have heard that some have even sold their houses anticipating that they could live off of that money and pioneer right up to the end. Others are delaying important surgery. Remember we don't serve with a date in view."
There were never any anit-rumor talks
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Did the Apostles ALWAYS Consult the Scriptures?
by AGuest into the household of god, israel... and those who go with... may you all have peace!.
as usual, there is the ongoing debate about the "value" of the bible and wisdom in consulting it to determine whether an "inspired" expression originates with god.
you've seen me go back and forth with others on this but now i would like to ask you... as our lord just asked me... a question that might make you consider this matter in another... shall we say... light.
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Always is a dangerous word. It's even worse than "never". Christianity is a great chance to study a cult in formation. They invented it as they went along. Added stuff. Threw out stuff. Collated stuff. Indexed stuffed. Translated and retranslated stuff. Stole stuff. Absorbed stuff. The only thing that is consitently clear is that it is the work of humans.
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Closing down of all non-native congregations in The Netherlands
by Gorbatchov inthis weekend serious sources told me that in the netherlands the society is closing down all non-native congregations.
because of the mixed population of this country, there are >100 non-native congregations like english, france, dutch-caribian, arab, chinese, italian, russian, spanish etc.. my source was backing the dissision of the society because "these non-native congregations are islands on their own, with group-thinking and not allways listening to the society..." and concluded "these non-natives has to learn dutch instead of we are learning their language".. strange: some years ago many jw's learned a foreign language (like arab or chinese!
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I have heard of squabbles among foreign language groups in the US. Sometimes it is a female who has time to become profiecient in the foreign language (myanamar and mong groups ) and the American brothers don't like having to defer to a sister who is the master of the language. There have been sisters who relish their new found authority and they aren't afraid to take over - conducting field service meetings etc.
I think the distraction of talking to people in their native language is probably going to end. Those who are attracted to these groups are usually very smart people (mostly women) who are bored to death with the conventional gab of the snake pit on wheels zig zagging around town calling on old people who will take literature just to interact with another live person. They get to actually feel like missionaries and can boast about how many rice JW's they study with. They don't realize that these people just want to assimilate and are willing to act interested to get some english language experience. The down side is that these people who are bored also like having a following - an entourage of admirers that they can parade around with at assemblies.
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Yearbook, 1967 p.105
by StopTheTears incameroon :.
"on one occasion a large crowd was following a man who had a "talking serpent.
" the serpent gave greetings and spoke in foreign tongues....a brother was passing by, attracted by the commotion, he went to the house to see what was happening.
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Not much crazier than the original stories.
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Some personal thoughts as 2011 comes to a close
by Terry infirst off, if you are in a safe place inside your head, merry christmas.
i was fortunate to have had childhood christmases in my home growing up.
many born-ins are probably never going to know what they missed.. also.... i am thinking about all the nice, friendly, happy things i've given up for jehovah and it saddens me.
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Ray Franz thought he had an accurate map of reality. He died believing in a myth that he failed to escape. Being a JW during the formative years of life distract a person from REALLY! getting a grip. I'm sure that if Ray Franz had been able to spend his youth reading solid science he would have jettisoned the whole pile of garbage.
Just getting out of JW is NOT necessarily freedom. Many will think that is enough but still cling to other religious fantasies. And in some cases they become captive to more insidious falsehoods ie. fanatic patriotism, conspiracy theories, health quackery, devotion to political pundits, and unproven psyhcological panaceas.
Detecting bullsh*t is a lifelong job.