Posts by scotoma

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WATCHTOWER HOAXES on the spectrum of mendacity

by Terry in

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the word hoax is thought to be derived from the magician's utterance of silly "hocus-pocus" so-called magic incantation.. this is jibberish, of course--a fake latin-sounding phrase mimmicking the priest's words in catholic mass changing wine into the "actual" blood of christ.. yeah.. only a conscious attempt to deceive separates a hoax from an otherwise mistake or urban myth.. according to folklorist jan brunvand, a 'hoax tends to indicate "relatively complex and large-scale fabrications" and includes deceptions that go beyond the merely playful and "cause material loss or harm to the victim".brunvand, jan h. (1998).

american folklore: an encyclopedia.

taylor & francis.

scotoma

Don't blame the Watchtower. Blame the Bible.

Jesus treated epileptics and deaf people like they were demon possessed.

What about the cleansing of lepers. It sounds like any magic ritual.

Leviticus 14:49-53 (Read this like a line from Harry Potter)

New International Version (NIV)

49 To purify the house he is to take two birds and some cedar wood, scarlet yarn and hyssop. 50 He shall kill one of the birds over fresh water in a clay pot. 51 Then he is to take the cedar wood, the hyssop,the scarlet yarn and the live bird, dip them into the blood of the dead bird and the fresh water, and sprinkle the house seven times. 52 He shall purify the house with the bird’s blood, the fresh water, the live bird, the cedar wood, the hyssop and the scarlet yarn. 53 Then he is to release the live bird in the open fields outside the town. In this way he will make atonement for the house, and it will be clean.”

If you accept that as part of Jehovah's PERFECT LAW it can only go down hill from there.

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Does he look like Nathan Knorr? little bit?

by Iamallcool in

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My mother used to tell me about a "brother" who left the organization after Knorr became president because Knorr used to make beer with a bunch of bethelites during prohibition.

I think they called it Bethel-Lite.

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Is dis-fellowshipping a sociopathic practice? At least one expert thinks so.

by Rufus T. Firefly in

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we do not burn people at the stake any more.

but how far removed are we from that dark ages ritual when we tear families apart through the misuse of disfellowshipping by misapplying scriptures such as 1 corinthians 5:11 and 2 john 9-11?

with that thought in mind, please consider the following:.

scotoma

The "mentally diseased" attitude is definitely hate speech intended to dehumanize people that disagree with a groups viewpoint.

Why can't they just let people leave? Why do they punish all the relatives too.

They say "Don't let your family get between you and your worship of Jehovah"

Likewise you shouldn't let an affiliation with an organization get between you and your responsibility to family members.

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Is dis-fellowshipping a sociopathic practice? At least one expert thinks so.

by Rufus T. Firefly in

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we do not burn people at the stake any more.

but how far removed are we from that dark ages ritual when we tear families apart through the misuse of disfellowshipping by misapplying scriptures such as 1 corinthians 5:11 and 2 john 9-11?

with that thought in mind, please consider the following:.

scotoma

I say kill all those pretentious sociopaths. They are the thing that's holding us back.

Exclusion is part of group formation.

Groups of people automatically create a boundary separating those on the inside from those who are on the outside.

The rules of exclusion function at the same time as the definition of social boundary.

On a larger national level you want to maximize opportunity for everyone as a matter of policy.

But at the social level any group that doesn't feel I have anything of value to contribute to them probably isn't a good group for me.

When choosing up sides in gym class I was always the last one. I was assigned as a matter of default. The funny thing is that it didn't bother me. I hated sports.

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They Need War Now

by metatron in

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http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/10/26/israel-issues-warning-to-iran-over-nuclear-bomb-report/?intcmp=latestnews.

there have been similar headlines on usa today and the drudgereport.. they need ww3 and they need it now.. the israelis understand what will likely happen if peace with iran breaks out.

there will be a movement towards eliminating all nuclear weapons in the middle east and the intensification of declaring 'apartheid' as regards the palestinians.. in other words, the practical end of israel as a zionist state.. in addition, there are senators who lust for war (lindsay graham, etc) they realize that the fog of war would move the us towards becoming a full police state, eliminating what's left of the bill of rights and distracting the whole nation from its failing economy.. i think it's too late for a phony false flag attack - to blame iran for some made-up terrorist attack.

scotoma

As soon as there is talk about aliens the conversations stop.

And I can understand why.

Ordinarily people are pragmatic and are looking for information that is actionable. We want information that is practical.

At this point even if you personally saw a UFO and were personally convinced that it was a UFO - what can you do with that information.

The aliens aren't talking. They aren't telling us what they are up to. They aren't helping our arthritis or allergies.

Until they communicate to us exactly what they plan to do it doesn't change our lives at all.

You could have a close relative who is one of the richest people on earth and if they don't seek you out it means nothing.

That's why confirming evidence of aliens fades quickly.

We all have too much on our plate.

At best we put it in the same category of ho hum well that's interesting. The tallest mountain on earth is under water- ho hum that's interesting. A 10,000 ton asteroid may hit the earth in 80 years - that might be interesting if I live that long.

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They Need War Now

by metatron in

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http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/10/26/israel-issues-warning-to-iran-over-nuclear-bomb-report/?intcmp=latestnews.

there have been similar headlines on usa today and the drudgereport.. they need ww3 and they need it now.. the israelis understand what will likely happen if peace with iran breaks out.

there will be a movement towards eliminating all nuclear weapons in the middle east and the intensification of declaring 'apartheid' as regards the palestinians.. in other words, the practical end of israel as a zionist state.. in addition, there are senators who lust for war (lindsay graham, etc) they realize that the fog of war would move the us towards becoming a full police state, eliminating what's left of the bill of rights and distracting the whole nation from its failing economy.. i think it's too late for a phony false flag attack - to blame iran for some made-up terrorist attack.

scotoma

Cofty,

Did you watch the 2nd video?

Just because there is a lot of nonsense on the internet you will be committing a fallacy to assume that all sensational information on the internet is garbage.

Sometimes you have to look at the context.

Most of these guys had serious careers doing what they liked. They are retired and probably have decent government pensions.

They aren't looking for opportunities to be ridiculed. They aren't looking for adventure or celebrity. They certainly aren't in need of the excitement of airplane rides to conferences.

And they are the few that have decided it is worthwhile to step forward. Based on their description of events

there are a lot of people at all ranks that shared these situations with them.

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They Need War Now

by metatron in

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http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/10/26/israel-issues-warning-to-iran-over-nuclear-bomb-report/?intcmp=latestnews.

there have been similar headlines on usa today and the drudgereport.. they need ww3 and they need it now.. the israelis understand what will likely happen if peace with iran breaks out.

there will be a movement towards eliminating all nuclear weapons in the middle east and the intensification of declaring 'apartheid' as regards the palestinians.. in other words, the practical end of israel as a zionist state.. in addition, there are senators who lust for war (lindsay graham, etc) they realize that the fog of war would move the us towards becoming a full police state, eliminating what's left of the bill of rights and distracting the whole nation from its failing economy.. i think it's too late for a phony false flag attack - to blame iran for some made-up terrorist attack.

scotoma

Metatron,

That would have been a good idea for the United States when it was the only country with atomic weapons.

The US could have dropped a bomb on any country that looked like they were trying to make a bomb.

You want nuclear weapons? Here take this one for now.

The US was in a position of being able to impose its will on any country that tried to get into the weapons business.

If a country tested a weapon they would have a bomb dropped on their facilities to build weapons.

The genie could have been put back in the bottle.

However without nuclear weapons the cold war would have become hotter. India and Pakistan would have killed millions in a coventional war.

At this point the US should give every country a few missiles and nuclear weapons and the fighting would cease.

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They Need War Now

by metatron in

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friends

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/10/26/israel-issues-warning-to-iran-over-nuclear-bomb-report/?intcmp=latestnews.

there have been similar headlines on usa today and the drudgereport.. they need ww3 and they need it now.. the israelis understand what will likely happen if peace with iran breaks out.

there will be a movement towards eliminating all nuclear weapons in the middle east and the intensification of declaring 'apartheid' as regards the palestinians.. in other words, the practical end of israel as a zionist state.. in addition, there are senators who lust for war (lindsay graham, etc) they realize that the fog of war would move the us towards becoming a full police state, eliminating what's left of the bill of rights and distracting the whole nation from its failing economy.. i think it's too late for a phony false flag attack - to blame iran for some made-up terrorist attack.

scotoma

Whenever true stories are related you will always find some that will try to sneak false stories into the mix for some personal advantage.

I would be suspicious of anyone who is writing a book to sell to the UFO freaks who eat this stuff up.

Also at the point where people are paid to relate their experience I would be suspicious of enhancements to the original narrative.

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They Need War Now

by metatron in

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friends

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/10/26/israel-issues-warning-to-iran-over-nuclear-bomb-report/?intcmp=latestnews.

there have been similar headlines on usa today and the drudgereport.. they need ww3 and they need it now.. the israelis understand what will likely happen if peace with iran breaks out.

there will be a movement towards eliminating all nuclear weapons in the middle east and the intensification of declaring 'apartheid' as regards the palestinians.. in other words, the practical end of israel as a zionist state.. in addition, there are senators who lust for war (lindsay graham, etc) they realize that the fog of war would move the us towards becoming a full police state, eliminating what's left of the bill of rights and distracting the whole nation from its failing economy.. i think it's too late for a phony false flag attack - to blame iran for some made-up terrorist attack.

scotoma

Either these guys are telling the truth or they are too crazy to be in charge of nukes and we should enjoy every day we have left.

These are very smart guys. They aren't out for publicity. They are engineers and technical people who tend to be quite pragmatic.

They had careers and wanted to make sure they got their benefits when they retired.

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They Need War Now

by metatron in

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friends

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/10/26/israel-issues-warning-to-iran-over-nuclear-bomb-report/?intcmp=latestnews.

there have been similar headlines on usa today and the drudgereport.. they need ww3 and they need it now.. the israelis understand what will likely happen if peace with iran breaks out.

there will be a movement towards eliminating all nuclear weapons in the middle east and the intensification of declaring 'apartheid' as regards the palestinians.. in other words, the practical end of israel as a zionist state.. in addition, there are senators who lust for war (lindsay graham, etc) they realize that the fog of war would move the us towards becoming a full police state, eliminating what's left of the bill of rights and distracting the whole nation from its failing economy.. i think it's too late for a phony false flag attack - to blame iran for some made-up terrorist attack.

scotoma

Cofty,

There is a lot of information available.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rxDx1O-ImE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jUU4Z8QdHI#t=395