http://www.people.com/article/prince-jehovahs-witness-conversion-history
The discussion there is great. Not so many opportunities to see apostates debating with jdubs online.
alcyone
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people magazine- prince as a JW
by All for show indunno if anyone saw this yet.
the comments are full of jw apologists.
http://www.people.com/article/prince-jehovahs-witness-conversion-history.
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Apostate Websites Direct Weak Ones Back To Jehovah"
by pbrow indoing a little thinking here, not really sure how the logistics work though.. lets say the link jw.org is posted here "x" number of times and numerous people click on said link.
it is my understanding the dubs can see how many hits they get from other websites but can they actually tell what websites the link is coming from?
if so..... i can picture a sunday talk given in the future... "apostate websites direct weak ones back to jehovah".
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alcyone
pbrow, you talk about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_referer
I have been always wondering if they monitor the referer values for HTTP requests they receive. They can discover apostates, if somebody is logged in jw.org and in the other tab he reads JWN, when he clicks reference to jw.org, they will see brother X.Y. is visiting them from an apostate web.
So those still with jw.org account ( ), be careful!
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jws deny shunning, yet lie to not look bad
by Ghiagirl ini recently decided to take matters into my own hands with my husbands family who have nothing to do with us.
his mom has seen my son twice since he has been born and his dad has never met him.
his family will pop in every few months, on top of that like in my last post ask for for money.
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alcyone
re shunning
there is kind of external / internal doctrine of shunning:
External: We shun murderers, thieves, ... according to the Bible principles. We do not break families, normal family relationship continues. see here: https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/shunning/
this is what they pretend toward the public.
Internal: see the paragraph 7 here: http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2016127
This is what the org teaches in the meetings, talk, conventions.
They can always try to trick somebody and pick the right version based on audience.
And I fully agree with Carla. Either they stop shunning or it is better not to allow grandchildren to spend time with them, They will try to instill Watchtower into the children' minds.
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Updates to Public Talk Outlines 2 & 3
by wifibandit inwill you be a survivor of the last days?.
serving with jehovah’s unified organization.
move ahead with jehovah’s unified organization.
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alcyone
Now i see in my comment i looked to the old outline...
anyway the new one - MOVE AHEAD WITH JEHOVAH’S UNIFIED ORGANIZATION - is also great:
What evidence is there that Jehovah also directs the earthly part of his organization?
Organizational refinements [Read Isaiah 60:17] (kr 120-125 ̊11-18)
Numerical growth [Read Isaiah 60:22] (kr 96-97; statistics from the latest Yearbook)this is really the proof!
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Updates to Public Talk Outlines 2 & 3
by wifibandit inwill you be a survivor of the last days?.
serving with jehovah’s unified organization.
move ahead with jehovah’s unified organization.
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alcyone
wifibandit, thank you for sharing these!
It seems nice talks will be based on the new outlinesSome become critical, saying that Jehovah does not have an organization
May say that loving one’s fellowman is what really counts or that having a personal relationship with God is
the really important thing or even that personally reading the Bible is sufficient (rs 326-8)
Those who adopt such viewpoints are like Satan
They break away from the Father, Jehovah (1Ti 1:19, 20; 2Ti 2:16-19)In other words they say Russell was like Satan when he broke from Barbour? When he said there is no organization?
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Are you people the Watchtower?
by Richard C B inare you people 'the watchtower'?.
no - we're an independent community site offering support for both current and former jehovah's witnesses and anyone else who has been affected by the beliefs, doctrines and practices of the jehovah's witness religion as governed by the watch tower bible and tract society (wtb&ts).. we are not affiliated with the wtb&ts in any way and we take your privacy and security very seriously doing our utmost to protect your identity and provide a friendly, tolerant and informative environment where you can ask questions, share information and make new friends.
membership is completely free and anonymous so why not join toda.
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alcyone
These people are coming here to get rid of their doubts and to reaffirm they are in the truth.
So they troll a bit, say some nonsense and when they get spanked, they say "bye bye you mentally sick apostates, i proved to myself you are not as loving as our clean organization"
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organization obsesion
by Richard C B inwhy are you guys so obsessed with organizations?
there has to be order in the world and organised people!
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one final thing!!! my wife loves ya
Richard, talk to your elders and the CO, show them how you defend "the truth" on the Internet. They will love you too
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"What IS True Love?" Watchtower Propaganda Review/Commentary
by WatchtowerReviewz inmy latest review for watchtower's most recent feature length propaganda film.
(not safe if sober.).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wn6lxfw_qp8.
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alcyone
Enjoy Jonathan reading his book:
http://bigworldnetwork.com/site/series/ahousedivided/
I am surprised too they allowed him to be in the WTS drama. I am not saying he is doing anything against the WT teaching, but ... it is strange, the Society is usually avoiding things like this. To be a freelance author is definitely not an usual occupation for JW.
Maybe in 2016 Serena Williams and Prince will play a pioneer couple in the new WTS video...
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Amazing Growth! Jehovah Is Blessing The Preaching Work!
by Divergent intoday's text:.
saturday, april 2. the little one will become a thousand.—isa.
60:22.. perhaps we live in an area where there are few witnesses or where we do not see a lot of immediate results in our preaching work.
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alcyone
When JW's talk about India they forget to mention Seventh Day Adventists growth
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_India
1.5 million members! i understand the counting method is different, but anyway... And SDAs were founded in the same time as the JWs. To talk about the growth and to skip discussion of similar groups is pointless.
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Catholic encyclopedia misquote
by alcyone ini do not know if this misquote has been discussed here already.. new catholic encyclopedia says this about jw:.
"judge" rutherford introduced important changes in the witnesses' creed and transformed the congregational structure of the sect as it was under "pastor" russell into a rigid theocracy.
the third leader, "brother" nathan h. knorr, gradually replaced the offensive convert-making tactics of the rutherford era by suave manners that have gained the witnesses their current reputation as one of the best-behaved groups in the world.
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alcyone
I do not know if this misquote has been discussed here already.
New Catholic Encyclopedia says this about JW:
"Judge" Rutherford introduced important changes in the Witnesses' creed and transformed the congregational structure of the sect as it was under "Pastor" Russell into a rigid theocracy. The third leader, "Brother" Nathan H. Knorr, gradually replaced the offensive convert-making tactics of the Rutherford era by suave manners that have gained the Witnesses their current reputation as one of the best-behaved groups in the world.
see here: http://www.encyclopedia.com/article-1G2-3407705846/jehovah-witnesses.html
The statement is not very positive, is it? Watchtower being true to its reputation quote-mines it multiple times in the literature:
*** g 4/07 p. 27 What Does It Mean to Be a Christian? ***
For instance, the New Catholic Encyclopedia acknowledges that Jehovah’s Witnesses are known as “one of the best-behaved groups in the world.”I am wondering if there is even one example of WTS not quoting out of context.