Posts by alcyone

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Rising allegations

by Freedom rocks in

hi does anyone think that with the rise in abuse cases in the uk and the rest of the world and the w5 video as well as many others exposing the organisation that the society might use the loyalty to the organisation as brainwashing to keep people in?

they might say its all lies and an attack by satan and have to stay loyal and not believe any of it.

i bet quite a few will leave.

alcyone

The “WTS” (The legal entity)

Better if you reserve gold star for yourself, instead of addressing the point you revert to semantics games like Gerrit Loesch when he stated he has nothing to do with the WTS...

Local elders and/or the families of victims or the victims themselves either reported, or are under legal obligation to report, and did report.

They did not report, that's the problem. The branch knew it and they did not report too.

They did not report because WTS (you know, a legal entity Gerrit Loesch doesn't not know anything about) told them they should not bring brother to the court (The Watchtower, March 15, 1997, pages 17-22). It was only later when book "God's love" stated rape can be reported to the authorities.

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Rising allegations

by Freedom rocks in

hi does anyone think that with the rise in abuse cases in the uk and the rest of the world and the w5 video as well as many others exposing the organisation that the society might use the loyalty to the organisation as brainwashing to keep people in?

they might say its all lies and an attack by satan and have to stay loyal and not believe any of it.

i bet quite a few will leave.

alcyone

they said 492 were either reported

Are you using theocratic war strategy?

When ARC investigated 1006 they found in some cases there was insufficient evidence or "the matters had already come to the attention of the police". This does not change the fact WTS did not report those 1006 cases.

If WTS hide a case sometimes there is really no sufficient evidence of child abuse. but it does not mean the WTS is correct when they hide it. It is role of police to investigate the matter.

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November 2017 monthly program affected by apostates??

by neat blue dog in

i recently watched a video about a kingdom hall demonstration from a link on this site, and in the comments on youtube somebody said this: .

i understand that the "apostate" activity this week has caused the wt/gb to change the content of the november jwbroadcasting episode and will delay its release until they can figure out how to spin this activity.. .

has anybody heard of this or is there any truth to this?

alcyone

This criticism is being voiced for the long time, it does not need necessarily to be based on the 5th Nov protest. The same question was raised many times in the kingdom halls/literature carts - see youtube videos.

Their reaction is classic straw man. People would not criticize judicial committee procedure if only the matters were reported to the police. In other words, it is okay to have the 2w rule, but it cannot prevent the matter from being reported to the authorities. This is something the WTS do not explain to their sheep and they build a straw man. They do not separate 2 things:

1, how a religious community "punishes" somebody

2, police investigation of the matter

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DEFEND JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES website

by Vanderhoven7 in

i googled the question "do jehovah's witnesses do charity work?

" and up popped the above website designed to counter virtually all wts criticism.

anyone know about this website?.

alcyone

The site has been mentioned here many times. It is a nice example of manipulative tactics, logical fallacies and all the other tools the JWs employ when facing criticism.

See

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5599595600019456/1975-statements

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/279189/defending-jw-child-abuse-policy-blogspot

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5766070791045120/defend-jehovahs-witnesses-false-claim-from-opposers-jws-creative-day

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Outcome - Banned in Russia - Final

by OrphanCrow in

jw
friends

i just watched the live feed from the russian court room and followed the updates on the russian exjw forum.. just waiting for confirmation from other sources...but, it looks like the final (and expected) result is:.

banned.

which means that the wts property in russia now belongs to the russian state..

alcyone

it is here:

http://tass.ru/obschestvo/4198959

"The supreme court stated the JW are extremist organization and dissolved them"

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When You See a JW Do You Get Flustered?

by minimus in

jw
friends

i used to dread seeing a witness coming toward me.

now i am quite comfortable and hope that they may say something to me..... does your blood pressure rise when you see a jw coming toward you?

?.

alcyone

It was an experiment. I wasn’t sure how a regular Witness would be welcomed here.

Tom, how would an exjw be treated on jwtalk? Nobody removes your comments, nobody edits and removes parts of them, people are willing to discuss.

You are coming here and writing things we heard million times in decades of being JWs: 900 languages, JW do not go to war, there is a brotherhood, ... What do you expect? Somebody to come back to you and say "Yes, Tom, I have not thought about this, you opened my mind, I am returning to the governing body?"

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When You See a JW Do You Get Flustered?

by minimus in

jw
friends

i used to dread seeing a witness coming toward me.

now i am quite comfortable and hope that they may say something to me..... does your blood pressure rise when you see a jw coming toward you?

?.

alcyone

Apostates try to reframe this to suggest there would be no pedophilia problem without Jehovah's Witnesses.

I would say you try to reframe what "apostates" suggest. Classic strawman. What is criticized is not the fact there are paedophiles in the org, but the way the organization handled these cases - two witnesses rule, shunning of victims if they leave the org, not reporting it to the police, ...

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When You See a JW Do You Get Flustered?

by minimus in

jw
friends

i used to dread seeing a witness coming toward me.

now i am quite comfortable and hope that they may say something to me..... does your blood pressure rise when you see a jw coming toward you?

?.

alcyone

The 'God's channel' can be seen in deeds, as much of more so than in words, (...)
It is seen in the representative fact of the 900 languages, ...

What is then boundary between words and deeds? # of languages in which the words are said does not change the fact they are still words. That is meaning of the God's channel - to communicate words from God. In this case words are deeds.

If you were not JW, would the number of languages convince you to summit your life to the org? Even if you knew no prediction had came true?

And what in case there will be other organization with more languages? Will you then leave the JW?

I fully respect your decision, but the fact you presented does not convince me the GB is the God's sole channel. I will not go to a mechanic fully equipped with modern tools who has 0% success rate in repairs.

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Confused trying to understand JW GF or soon to be EX

by James87 in

i dont know where to start so why not at the beginning.

i was seeing this girl and we hit it off great chemistry.

it went from a physical to a deeper relationship.

alcyone

What i dont understand is why and who would tell her no to associate with me. The people in that JW hall seem happy to see me there in the meeting and sunday mass.

They are also trying to "help you" (translation: to bring you to the cult). JW will always try to make better impression toward external people. Try to ask them about shunning, ask them whether nonJW will be destroyed in Armageddon and you will never get the right answer. They do not see it as a lie, they feel like parents who cannot disclose everything to their child.

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When You See a JW Do You Get Flustered?

by minimus in

jw
friends

i used to dread seeing a witness coming toward me.

now i am quite comfortable and hope that they may say something to me..... does your blood pressure rise when you see a jw coming toward you?

?.

alcyone

As to promises that did not turn out equated to lies, whenever someone throws one of them at me, I say: "Oh, we changed that.

They would not equate to lies normally, but in case you claim you are the sole God's communication channel and you require absolute obedience, then they do. Deuteronomy 18,20-22 also would not apply to an Israelite who said "I think tomorrow there will be a storm" and the storm did not come. But in case somebody said "I am God's channel and in YHWH name I say tomorrow..." then it applied.

And you know well, there is 0% prediction success rate for the GB interpretations. How can they then dare to claim they are the God's channel?

You completely ignore misquotes and manipulations WTBTS use. Are they not lies?

The Witness world does its best to be Bible based and thus is 180 degrees from the non-Witness world in which Christianity will surely end up the loser.

Claim without proof. Blood policy not based on Bible, shunning not based, in the past organ transplant ban was not based too, civilian service ban too, ...