Sadly the Witnesses, our ex brothers and sisters, have no idea of the pain and sorrow they are responsible for.
That poor dear girl - at peace now.
Marilyn
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Very Bad News Re: Post Yesterday
by Celtic ini'm not sure how to put this news gently to the community here, but regarding my post yesterday regarding chantelle.. thankyou for all of your kind messages and warmth displayed on your parts.. chantelle was only 16 when disfellowshipped.
only 18 years old with her whole life in front of her.
she took her own life this morning at 0400hrs.. i am so sorry not to have been in a better position to get your letters to her in time.. take care all of you & kindest regards.
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Calling for ref. quotes and doc. access
by A Paduan inthanks for the support on "theocratic warfare".
if anyone has (more recent the best) documents revealing "theocratic warfare", or any "ok to lie" type references, please assist.
i sent the quotes that were given.. paduan .
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How weird it it that Witnesses don't admit to knowing about theocratic warfare? Wasn't it all tied up with the "cautious as serpents and something as something" line they used to feed us?? Yikes my memory is getting bad!
Marilyn
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The Aussie R&F are calling for change!!!!
by ozziepost infrom the producer of the "sunday" program comes this news today: .
we've actually been contacted by a number of current jws saying that they think it's just terrible and they'll be demanding change..
and still the fallout continues..... .
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I feel so sorry about this but it had to come out for the sake of the victims
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Disgruntled1, I am very interested in your feed back. My mother, who is very ill, was terribly depressed about the program. I kinda wish she hadn't seen it because she has enough to cope with at the moment. I heard from my father that one of my brothers said it was all old hat and happened years ago. Obvious reply being: All the stuff in the Catholic church happened years ago and it hasn't stopped the media from grilling the church for over it. Why do Witnesses think they should be exempt or that something that happened a few years ago is of less importance. Anyway it's still happening and while the elders are so haughty and self important, nothing will change.
I gather that Channel 9 isn't finsihed yet - and there is more to come. I myself want to whole issue of disfellowshipping exposed. Because I've been denied access to my family for over 20 yrs and I left quietly. Yet child molesters are often reproved privately. How can they explain such actions?
Marilyn
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The Aussie R&F are calling for change!!!!
by ozziepost infrom the producer of the "sunday" program comes this news today: .
we've actually been contacted by a number of current jws saying that they think it's just terrible and they'll be demanding change..
and still the fallout continues..... .
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Hi Ozzie, I received an email back too. Seems they intend to do more next week on our fury little friends with the long tails. Why do I have to be out of the country when the #### hits the fan? I wonder if anyone has told them about the book "Sex in the Sect" by Vicki J.? Have you ever read it? I have it at home and am happy to lend it....
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My reply from the WTS, 1982
by Marilyn indear mrs ####,, .
your letter of december 6, 1982 has been received and we note the several questions questions you have asked at the conclusion.
you state that you have carefully read the watchtower of september 15, 1981 on the subject of disfellowshipping and you have found nothing which seemed to proclude occasional association between you and your parents.
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Dear Mrs ####,,
Your letter of December 6, 1982 has been received and we note the several questions questions you have asked at the conclusion. You state that you have carefully read the Watchtower of September 15, 1981 on the subject of disfellowshipping and you have found nothing which seemed to proclude occasional association between you and your parents. From reading your letter, we believe you understand the situation with disfellowshipped relatives and the difficulty this poses. Obvsiously there are times when close family members must have communication and family members must make their own decision as to how frequent this would be. It is not the function of the Society nor of the congregational elders to "police" such association of a non-spiritual character. It is hoped that family members will understand the principles involved in disfellowshipping and seek to honour the arrangement.
We can see no reason why your parents could not see your children since they are not involved in this issue. Again this is something that must be worked out between yourself and your parents. The remaining points of your letter have been duly considered and we fully understand the difficulties you are now experiencing. Whether or not you wish to reassociate with the Christian congregation is something for you to decide. The decision other members of your family have made to stay within the congregation must also be respected as a conscientious decision.
Yours sincerely
(the company stamp)CC The Body of Elders, ####### congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses
Interestingly the day the letter arrived at my address, two elders visited my parents and told them that the letter changed nothing and they were not at liberty to associate with me. The letter was a facade, carefully worded so that it couldn't be used by the media to show what total bastards they really are. Notice the word "communication" is used instead of association? Note too that they "they fully understand the difficulties you are now experiencing" and say it's up to me as to whether I want to reassociate with the Christian congregation, so I don't have to experience the difficulties. I think I explained to them in my letter that I no longer believed in God, so you can imagine how helpful their comments were. Nice of them to let parents see my kids. They were very young at the time so it meant handing over tiny tots in the street. (which we actually did at first). No internet back then - so we had a very hard time at first.
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Does leaving Jehovah's Witnesses ruin you
by kenpodragon inone of the things i hear mentioned a lot about being a jehovah's witnesses.
is that once you leave, it ruins you for all other religions.
as you think that you know all the faults of other religions, and could not put any faith in them.
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I did the waking up process between 1976 and 79'. During those three years of realising the WTS was highly problematic, I decided the whole concept of God was also highly problematic. It was more comfortable for me to give up on God when I gave up on the WT. I used to say that the WTS had taught me to analyse religion and theirs didn't measure up any better than any of the others. I have met some wonderful Christians, but generally I've observed religion doesn't work. It's all talk. No matter which way I look at it I just can't see how there could be a God.
Marilyn
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The desire to return just for family's sake
by Ephanyminitas inthose of you who have close witness family members -- how hard has it been not to just throw up your hands and just return to the society, just for appearance's sake?
my parents, whom i love very much, are witnesses, and it's very difficult for me to go day to day knowing that i'm completely letting them down.
i no longer believe anything the society says, but oh how tempting it would be to just go back and fake my way through, knowing that i could give my parents peace.
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I did know of someone who did it. I was full of admiration for her. She just did the sit there thing and got reinstated eventually and then she stopped going and everyone one knew what she'd done, but it didn't matter. She could see her family. That's how shallow the Organisation is.
I talked about it a lot. But I never had it in me. I thought they would mess with my mind. I kinda felt too emotionally unstable to see it thru. Don't get me wrong, I think the WTS is 110% screwed up and there isn't anything about them that I agree with or admire. They are seriously sick puppies. But I'm a very honest person. I'd rather say what I think and deal with the consequences. I don't play games. I never have. I thought if I tried to do something outside my comfort zone it would back fire somehow. So I've lived without my family for over 20 yrs.
Ya wanna know something? I've got three dub siblings and they are all elders (one is wife of an elder) and none of them get on. Hell we just had our first wedding in the family and there was a big argument and no one from our side went. And that's in the troof. So I figure I'm not missing much. And my dear, wonderful JW parents? Well they refused to shun me. They've had lotsa years to see which one of their kids is the really caring one. If you are willing to be patient, and you are a good person, your parents will admire you in their own sweet way. BUT it takes a lot of patience.
If you do wanna go back - then no one should judge you. We each do what feels right for us.
Marilyn
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My beef re disfellowshipping..
by Marilyn ini was disfellowshipped over 20 years ago for leaving quietly.
no arguments, no fuss, i just wanted to leave.
i have been shunned by many family members all these years.
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Yeah, I see your point. It's the *leaving* that's the naughty deed. It's so weird isn't it? Waking up is the biggist sin of all. Everything else can be handled. But if you wake up, you take away all their power. Then they employ their final act of power over you by taking away your family. Neat isn't it? So clever of them really.
Marilyn
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My beef re disfellowshipping..
by Marilyn ini was disfellowshipped over 20 years ago for leaving quietly.
no arguments, no fuss, i just wanted to leave.
i have been shunned by many family members all these years.
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I was disfellowshipped over 20 years ago for leaving quietly. No arguments, no fuss, I just wanted to leave. I have been shunned by many family members all these years. So why, in country after country does the WTS not disfellowship child molesters? We aren't talking isolated cases here. The Society has consistently turned a blind eye to child molesters. So the obvious thing for anyone wanting to exit the Troof is to confess to interferring with kids. That way you can leave without having your name blackened or being "cut off " from your family.
Am I right or am I right?
Marilyn
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Sunday Programme
by Stephanus injust saw it (tried to tape it, but taped simpsons instead - dohh!!!
) i must say, if robert souter wasn't in gaol and still lived in wollongong, his life expectancy would be dramatically reduced after today's broadcast.
wollongong has a direct way of dealing with high profile paedophiles... .
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Marilyn
I missed the program, but have it recorded for when I get back. I'm interested to see if this guy Morris is the one who's called on me. I live in Murrumbeena, next to Oakleigh. I've come across this one guy from that area who seemed especially arrogant. Would be a hoot if it was him. My jw mother watch the program and told me later she felt very depressed about it. Guess she took it to heart.
Marilyn