Posts by MARTINLEYSHON

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The Pot Calling the Kettle Black

by IslandWoman in

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i wonder sometimes if to outsiders who visit this and other xjw discussion boards it seems as if xjws never "bought the farm" and that's why they look down on those who did.

there is much ridicule of the rank and file here, why?

if we placed literature, conducted a bible study, brought a bible study to the point of baptism, gave talks, commented at the watchtower study, volunteered,

MARTINLEYSHON

Farkel

I never thought that I would say this wow this is hard .........I agree with you on this one ..... there I said it

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Lets blame the belief system

by A Paduan in

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i've just been reading a post about elders, and how the 'belief system' is the blame.

talk about an extension of jwism.. "but the woman you gave me".. each and every jw that told lies at someone's door, actually "told lies at someone's door".

simple as that.

MARTINLEYSHON

Sword Of Jah

From 1971 - 1975 I was telling my school friends that they were all going to die in 1975. As an 11-15 year old where do you think I had that lie from?

Martin

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when those of you became an elder, or even perhaps a person of responsibility in the congregation, what did you become aware of that shocked or suprised you behind closed doors, out of the sight of the rest of the congregation, that you would not have known if it were not for your position?.

MARTINLEYSHON

The disrespectful way elders spoke with one another. It really shocked I cried for hours after my first elders meeting. Made me really sad.

Martin

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Am I damaging the silentlambs cause?

by Simon in

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one of the few unfounded (i think) accusations that have been thrown at me by certain people is that i have caused 'untold damage' to the silentambs cause.. i don't know quite what this is supposed to mean or what i'm suppoed to have done or whether it is anything more than just 'mud' flung by people who find it easier to criticise rather than actually do anything.. over the last year (is it?

) i've been happy to promote the silentlambs cause and have hosted links to bills site and vidoes / sound files of tv programmes, radio reports, photo's of the march etc... as well as providing a place for people to meet and arrange things.

i hope it has been useful and helpful to at least some people.. if i have inadventantly held things up in some way then i unreservedly and wholeheartedly apologise.. all i can say is, i do my best and may not always get things right.

MARTINLEYSHON

I agree with all the posts.

Martin

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Are we wrong to attack the Elders?

by MARTINLEYSHON in

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i see a number of board members alluding to the elders as antagonists.

this is amoral.

there is an inference that these ones ( elders ) can think for themselves, they cannot.

MARTINLEYSHON

Extremely interesting replies to this post. May I just for clarity explain my use of the word amoral, which seems to have caused some consternation with some of you.

Amoral Means: Lacking Ethical Principles or without Principles.

If we are going to tarnish all elders with the same brush, are we no worse than the dubs who tarnish all of us as apostates? I for one am not an apostate; I do not consider myself as such however by my very presence on this site I am considered or would be considered as such would I not? Not by board members perhaps but certainly by the dubs.

Therefore my view still stands after giving careful consideration to all the replies, if some of us are going to put all elders into the same category as unjust men who can think for themselves then that is an amoral act on our part.

Why? Take for example Bro Simpleton. Raised in the JW faith parents taught him at home, he pioneered as a teenager, left for bethel at the age of 21 appointed as an elder at 28 assigned to a congregation. Bro simpleton has had no outside influence what so ever all his life, totally cocooned in the faith the epitome of a loving elder.

Would it not be punitive to judge this Bro in the same way as you would judge an elder who has wronged you? Of course it would.

We all know that there is a furtive body within the Borg; that goes without question. Therefore we need to be pragmatic in our approach rather than accusatory.

Message to Farkel:

You concern me.

Martin

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Are we wrong to attack the Elders?

by MARTINLEYSHON in

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i see a number of board members alluding to the elders as antagonists.

this is amoral.

there is an inference that these ones ( elders ) can think for themselves, they cannot.

MARTINLEYSHON

Are we missing the point of this thread?

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Have you allowed yourself to prosper?

by freedom96 in

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the wts always taught making money was bad, and those who already had it, should not show it off for fear of offending those who didn't have any.. there were so many witnesses that barely made ends meet, again, taught that making money was bad, getting an education was bad, therefore making it hard even with full time work to make a decent wage, enough to support a family.. since leaving, have you allowed yourself the freedom to explore what is out there, with education, with making money, allowing yourself to prosper in all areas of your life?.

opportunity is out there, to become better people, to make money, live more freely, without the restrictions that the society put on us.

what a relief from the misery of just making enough to get by until "the end.

MARTINLEYSHON

I was always maligned for driving a 911 Porche and having a Jeep. I'm only to thankful for all the other things they did not know about. I hated that side of the borg brothers

my two penneth worth

Martin

Edited by - martinleyshon on 2 October 2002 13:26:32

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Are we wrong to attack the Elders?

by MARTINLEYSHON in

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i see a number of board members alluding to the elders as antagonists.

this is amoral.

there is an inference that these ones ( elders ) can think for themselves, they cannot.

MARTINLEYSHON

Jim

I read with earnest your response more so than any other, I have to say that you have expessed yourself exceptionally well. Thankyou for taking the time to give such an intelligent an overview.

Martin

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Are we wrong to attack the Elders?

by MARTINLEYSHON in

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friends

i see a number of board members alluding to the elders as antagonists.

this is amoral.

there is an inference that these ones ( elders ) can think for themselves, they cannot.

MARTINLEYSHON

I have to say I agree with all your responses thus far. Logical thinking comes to mind keep it up.

Martin

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Are we wrong to attack the Elders?

by MARTINLEYSHON in

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i see a number of board members alluding to the elders as antagonists.

this is amoral.

there is an inference that these ones ( elders ) can think for themselves, they cannot.

MARTINLEYSHON

I see a number of board members alluding to the elders as antagonists. This is amoral. There is an inference that these ones ( elders ) can think for themselves, they cannot. You ex- elders who elicit winsome words of wisdom on this board, recall when you were serving faithfully and were in possession of your KMS textbook book how did you feel? Superior perhaps? because you were privy to information that the R&F did not have?

Lets be honest and without fear of contradiction the majority of Elders are scared shitless of loosing their coveted position, they would not for a mille second contemplate going against the GB.

The Circuit overseer comes along ( A wondering itinerant) waves his big stick do or else and most of them cave in. Its so sad.

So my point is this: Stop attacking the Elders they are merely pawns used by the GB disposable dispensable. For goodness sake 2 elders on my committee who disfellowshipped me were my so called friends. One of them I brought into the truth studied with him. The other I mentored until the day I left. These men did not want to Disfellowship me to the contrary one of them broke down in tears. They did what they were told to do.

I was high profile, media spokesperson PO etc...

These men cant think for themselves, they are not allowed to. Stop attacking these lambs. They are puppets to be used and discarded. Now I know this post is going to infuriate some of you who have been on the receiving end of unjust elders, however before you reply think of the vein in which this post is threaded.

Martin

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