Alan,
Your "sneaking suspicion" is accurate.
M
Masterji
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E-watchman site opinions.
by Monster ingood morning everyone, (it's 4am here) .
i see the e-watchman site is advertised here, so have any of you read from it?
if so what's your opinions of it?.
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Who Pays The Ferryman....?
by hillary_step infrench philosopher blaise pascal once noted, "men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction.
" a case study for this statement can clearly be evidenced by the governing body of jehovahs witnesses.. the gb present themselves as lovers of truth and righteousness who are the only persons on this planet who speak for god.
this doctrine is at the very core of the beliefs of jehovahs witnesses and is one of the few that cannot be rationalized away by wts apologists.
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Masterji
HS said:
"Death by Disfellowshipping - Let me offer the GB a challenge, especially given that they herald themselves self-confessed lovers of Truth?. Why not publish in the Yearbook for 2003, the statistical figures for those who have killed themselves due to having been disfellowshipped. A disciplinary procedure that is so open to interpretation that each decade the WTS changes its policy on how to treat such persons. They have used as an offensive weapon the most natural right that belongs to people, that of the expecting the love and loyalty of a family."
The Watchtower seems to think that shunning causes people to come back. Here is the question: Is that the proper motivation for a return?
Would you want your child to return to you just so that they could speak and associate with the other children?
Those who testify that shunning caused them to return, seems to me, is an improper and selfish motive.
For everyone who says that shunning helps, there are thousands who have been harmed and hurt by it.
That alone shows that it is unscriptural.
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Do You Believe Any of "The Truth"?
by XBEHERE ini've been lurking for several months, its my first post here.
i am currently an active jw.
i have a very jw family so i have to be careful.
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Dave,
It's good to see that you have become a student of the Bible.
M
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silentlambs march- please get ready now!
by silentlambs inthe silentlambs march is fast approaching, i encourage one and all to get your hotel reservations and make your final travel arrangements.
we have a listing of discount hotels if you need assistance.
we are going to have a police escort all the way to the front door of 25 columbia heights .
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Masterji
Somehow I just cannot see JOE & BARBARA ANDERSON participating in this march.
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WATCH THOSE MARGINAL NOTES!
by Masterji ina marginal note cost him his life.
"in those days the most prolific printer of dutch-language bibles was jacob van liesvelt.
van liesvelts final dutch edition, of 1542,contained woodcuts and new marginal notes.
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A MARGINAL NOTE COST HIM HIS LIFE
"In those days the most prolific printer of Dutch-language Bibles was Jacob van Liesvelt. Van Liesvelts final Dutch edition, of 1542,contained woodcuts and new marginal notes. For instance, next to Matthew4:3, a woodcut pictured the Devil as a bearded monk with a rosary and goats feet. However, it was the marginal notes in particular that aroused theire of the Catholic Church. One notewhich read "Salvation comes through Jesus Christ alone"was used as a basis for condemning Van Liesvelt to death.
He was beheaded in Antwerp in 1545." (9/8/02 Awake!)
Do you know anyone today that would do such a thing?
Do you know anyone today that would charge him with "causing divisions?"
Do you know anyone today that wont allow a person to "harbor private ideas when itcomes to Bible understanding?"
Do you know anyone that will behead (metaphorically speaking) all who arouse their ire?
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JAH REASONS WITH DICTATORS OF SODOM
by You Know inpeter once wrote concerning paul's writings, saying: "in them, however, are some things hard to understand" that being the case, it is understandable why jehovah opened his long-running dialogue with israel, through isaiah, by saying: "my own people have not behaved understandingly.
" further, in that 1st chapter, at verse 10, jehovah addresses the leaders of his people saying: "hear the word of jehovah, you dictators of sodom.
give ear to the law of our god, you people of gomorrah.
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You Know says:
"Admittedly, my interpretation is rather revolutionary from the standpoint of Jehovah's Witnesses..."
Most but no all.
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JW Judicial Hearings vs. the US Judicial System
by Farkel inthis is the text of a debate i had almost four years ago with a jw by the name of "friend.
" after this debate he and i actually became friends, but during this debate, things were quite ferocious!.
if nothing else, this rather lengthy essay shows just how unfair, biased and backward the jw judicial system actually is.. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------.
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Masterji
Thanks Farkel.
Over fifty plus years of personal experience supports your conclusions.
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JUDICIAL COMMITTEE -- ANDERSON
by silentlambs inthe wheels of the watchtower termination squad grind on.
at 4:45 p.m. today barbara anderson was contacted by the chairman of her previous judicial committee from last week.
barb was asked to meet with a new judicial hearing to face new charges which are adjusted as follows:.
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Masterji
Farkel,
Thanks for keeping things in focus.
You mentioned: " I wrote a huge essay several years ago on this matter, you assoles, and I compared the Flock Book and the US Constitution, and I'll tell you what: in a dub JC you have NO rights. A dub JC is more like a Grand Jury investigation, but the only difference is in a dub JC the sentence is passed. In the Grand Jury investigation, the defendent has the further right to a real trial."
Would you be willing to post that composition again?
Thanks.
M
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PREEMPTIVE STRIKE/DATELINE
by Masterji inthe purpose of a preemptive strike against those involved in dateline is to throw them into the "enemy camp.
" any bad pr can be countered as: it's them against us ; persecution; enemy attack.
this tactic has worked in the past to their advantage.. their aim is to keep the r & f in the pen.. mulan has a good suggestion.
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The purpose of a preemptive strike against those involved in Dateline is to throw them into the "enemy camp." Any bad PR can be countered as: It's them against us ; persecution; enemy attack. This tactic has worked in the past to their advantage.
Their aim is to keep the R & F in the pen.
Mulan has a good suggestion. Namely: "If the Dateline show is on in two weeks, they can't have a disfellowshipping done and announced in that time. They can't have a hearing (you don't have to be immediately available either, and make them wait a week or so) a decision made and announced, with appeals pending in two weeks, so it looks to me like you have some time."
Stall, stall, stall.
What isn’t so obvious is the observation of TMS.
"But if those being summoned before judicial committees are from different congregations, wouldn't this be evidence of orchestration from the top as opposed to local control of matters? Are the Society's lawyers really thinking the asset protection issue through if they allow these cases to be concurrent? It appears to this feeble brain that if individuals in different congregations were simultaneously brought up on the same charges, it would indicate hierarchal, not grass roots control and open the floodgates for a hierarchal legal remedy."This could come back to haunt them.
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Tiny Cracks in the Foundation
by TMS intwo unsettling incidents are lodged in my memory.
they are unrelated, except in the general sense that they opened tiny fissures in the foundation of my belief system.
returning from the summer assembly in kansas city, missouri in 1969, i was approached by tom moore, a plain-speaking circuit overseer .
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TMS said:
"For example, if the GB had come out in '76 and said: "Brothers, we got carried away with what we thought was possibly significant chronology. It is with great sadness we have learned that some have made detrimental financial, health and career decisions based on our misleading direction. We humbly before Jehovah beg forgiveness for any harm we have caused.
Many of us would have respected such a pronouncement."They simply lack the humility to do so. However, they can dish out advice on how others should show humility. Note the following:
PARTING ADVICE TO GILEAD CLASS FROM GOVERNING BODY
"Admit Your Mistakes…Refusing to admit our mistakes is like claiming infallibility…Admitting our mistakes is the course of wisdom. How so? ‘No one can maintain the respect of others if he insists that he is right even when confronted with an obvious mistake. How can anyone have confidence in a person who he knows from experience will even sacrifice the truth just to give the appearance that he is right? Admitting a mistake builds in us strength, self-respect. But a failure to do so is cowardly, and it serves to weaken us morally."
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