as a bible based organization, how do feel jehovah's organization should be reformed?
the answer is quite simple in christendoms churches:.
1. reject false doctrines like the trinity and 'all christians go to heaven' and use of images in worship.. .
Show me Scripture that says 'Jehovah' has an organisation and I'll read your post.
“You are my witnesses,” is the utterance of Jehovah, “even my servant whom I have chosen, in order that you may know and have faith in me, and that you may understand that I am the same One. Before me there was no God formed, and after me there continued to be none. I—I am Jehovah, and besides me there is no savior.” Isaiah 43:10-11
as a bible based organization, how do feel jehovah's organization should be reformed?
the answer is quite simple in christendoms churches:.
1. reject false doctrines like the trinity and 'all christians go to heaven' and use of images in worship.. .
As a Bible based organization, how do feel Jehovah's Organization should be reformed? The answer is quite simple in Christendom’s Churches:
1. Reject false doctrines like the Trinity and 'all Christians go to heaven' and use of images in worship.
2. Clean up the organization and throw out all members who commit forication, drunkenness, idolatry, spiritism, and so on.
That would be a good start.
Jehovah's Witnesses adhere to God's Word.
it-1 p. 788 Expelling
Christian Congregation. Based on the principles of the Hebrew Scriptures, the Christian Greek Scriptures by command and precedent authorize expulsion, or disfellowshipping, from the Christian congregation. By exercising this God-given authority, the congregation keeps itself clean and in good standing before God. The apostle Paul, with the authority vested in him, ordered the expulsion of an incestuous fornicator who had taken his father’s wife. (1Co 5:5, 11, 13) He also exercised disfellowshipping authority against Hymenaeus and Alexander. (1Ti 1:19, 20) Diotrephes, however, was apparently trying to exercise disfellowshipping action wrongly.—3Jo 9, 10.
i recently began a wonderful relationship with a guy who also happened to be a jw.
i have learned alot about him and how the religion effects his life and now i am interested in learning more about the religion - but from a beginners' point of view.
could anyone give me an idea of the basic beliefs and practices of jws?.
I too would encourage you to read this post . . . it is a fine example of how a high-control religious cult sets about destroying the love and trust inside an otherwise loving family.
I don't sympathize with people who blame everyone but themselves when they're clearly in the wrong. Nor, do I believe Jehovah's Organization is a “high-control religious cult.” Families in this system aren’t necessarily “otherwise loving.”
http://www.leaderu.com/orgs/probe/docs/broken.html
Families are the bedrock of society. When families fall apart, society falls into social and cultural decline. Ultimately the breakdown of the American family is at the root of nearly every other social problem and pathology.
Just a few decades ago, most children in America grew up in intact, two-parent families. Today, children who do so are a minority. Illegitimacy, divorce, and other lifestyle choices have radically altered the American family, and thus have altered the social landscape.
i recently began a wonderful relationship with a guy who also happened to be a jw.
i have learned alot about him and how the religion effects his life and now i am interested in learning more about the religion - but from a beginners' point of view.
could anyone give me an idea of the basic beliefs and practices of jws?.
bigot
n
a person who is intolerant of any ideas other than his or her own, esp on religion, politics, or race
Jehovah's Witnesses have been tolerant and analytical of ideas other than their own when addressing this topic.
g96 9/22 p. 5 Are We Predestined by Our Genes?
What of Infidelity and Homosexuality?
According to an article published in The Australian, some genetic research asserts that “infidelity is probably in our genes. . . . It appears that our cheating hearts are meant to be that way.” Just imagine what havoc this attitude could wreak on marriages and families by creating a loophole for anyone who wants to claim diminished responsibility for a promiscuous life-style!
Regarding homosexuality, Newsweek magazine carried the headline “Born or Bred?” The article stated: “Science and psychiatry are struggling to make sense of new research that suggests that homosexuality may be a matter of genetics, not parenting. . . . In the gay community itself, many welcome the indication that gayness begins in the chromosomes.”
The article then quotes Dr. Richard Pillard, who said: “A genetic component in sexual orientation says, ‘This is not a fault, and it’s not your fault.’” Further strengthening this “no fault” argument, Frederick Whitam, a researcher in homosexuality, observes that “there is a tendency for people, when told that homosexuality is biological, to heave a sigh of relief. It relieves the families and homosexuals of guilt. It also means that society doesn’t have to worry about things like gay teachers.”
Sometimes, so-called evidence that homosexual tendencies are determined by genes is presented by the media as factual and conclusive rather than as a possibility and inconclusive.
The New Statesman & Society magazine puts cold water on some of the flair for rhetoric: “The dazzled reader may well have overlooked the sketchiness of the actual hard physical evidence—or, indeed, the total absence of a basis for the scientifically egregious [flagrant] claim that promiscuity ‘is encoded in the male genes and imprinted on the male brain’s circuitboard.’” In their book Cracking the Code, David Suzuki and Joseph Levine add their concern about current genetic research: “While it is possible to argue that genes influence behavior in a general sense, it is quite another matter to show that a specific gene—or pair of genes, or even a score of genes—actually control specific details of an animal’s responses to its environment. At this point, it is fair to ask whether anyone has found, in the strict molecular sense of locating and manipulating, any stretches of DNA that affect specific behaviors predictably."
i recently began a wonderful relationship with a guy who also happened to be a jw.
i have learned alot about him and how the religion effects his life and now i am interested in learning more about the religion - but from a beginners' point of view.
could anyone give me an idea of the basic beliefs and practices of jws?.
Black Sheep, almost all religions have apocalyptic teachings of one kind or another and let us not forget the infamous Hellfire doctrine that punishes the unrighteous. Are you really saying Jehovah's Witnesses clarify and give new meaning to Armageddon? If not, what are you saying?
i recently began a wonderful relationship with a guy who also happened to be a jw.
i have learned alot about him and how the religion effects his life and now i am interested in learning more about the religion - but from a beginners' point of view.
could anyone give me an idea of the basic beliefs and practices of jws?.
So..
You want to send 2 Gay Guys to talk to,Terminally Homophobic JW Elders?..
LOL!!..
What a Frigg`in Moron!..
......................;-) ...OUTLAW
The elders are not homophobic, they just believe it is morally wrong.
What! Do you not know that unrighteous persons will not inherit God’s kingdom? Do not be misled. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men kept for unnatural purposes, nor men who lie with men, nor thieves, nor greedy persons, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit God’s kingdom. And yet that is what some of you were. But you have been washed clean, but you have been sanctified, but you have been declared righteous in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ and with the spirit of our God. 1 Corinthians 6:9-11
A homosexual is viewed no different than a fornicator. There are homosexuals that have become Jehovah's Witnesses. There's not a bigoted view of alternative lifestyles amongst Jehovah's Witnesses.
i recently began a wonderful relationship with a guy who also happened to be a jw.
i have learned alot about him and how the religion effects his life and now i am interested in learning more about the religion - but from a beginners' point of view.
could anyone give me an idea of the basic beliefs and practices of jws?.
Maze, why don't you tell him what the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society says about homosexuals and homosexuality before you send him to them?
Then tell him honestly what you think about it.
Then let him work out if you and they really have his best interests at heart.
I didn't know it was a gay relationship. In that case he may be better off learning the lies instead of the Truth :)
i recently began a wonderful relationship with a guy who also happened to be a jw.
i have learned alot about him and how the religion effects his life and now i am interested in learning more about the religion - but from a beginners' point of view.
could anyone give me an idea of the basic beliefs and practices of jws?.
Jackals, you're in the wrong place to learn anything true and genuine about Jehovah's Witnesses. This forum mainly consists of a group of individuals that have deviated from true worship and are apostate fighters of God.
But shun empty speeches that violate what is holy; for they will advance to more and more ungodliness, and their word will spread like gangrene. Hy·me·nae′us and Phi·le′tus are of that number. These very [men] have deviated from the truth, saying that the resurrection has already occurred; and they are subverting the faith of some. 2 Timothy 2:16-18
You will see foul mouths and evidence of ungodliness here. One of the more popular threads right now reads: An open letter to the Governing Body: Go F*ck Yourselves
The Bible and the Watchtower Society's publications provide excellent descriptions of apostates.
g03 2/8 p. 13 Is There an Unforgivable Sin?
Some people who were once faithful Christians have purposely drawn away from God, perhaps because of bitterness, pride, or greed, and are now apostate fighters against God’s spirit. They willfully oppose what the spirit is clearly accomplishing. Have these individuals committed the unforgivable sin? Jehovah is the final Judge.—Romans 14:12.
If you want to learn about Jehovah's Witnesses, I'd visit a local congregation and talk to the congregation elders.
quote from: chapter 8, how to help, pg 132. if someone you know and love becomes a member of a destructive cult, you will probably find yourself facing one of the toughest situations of your life.
in helping a person you love return to being himself, its easy to fall into mistakes that could make your job even harder.
if i was a former jw, i would help another family member or friend who is a jw by doing the following:.
There's no such thing as “mind control.” From the average perspective, reality is a slippery slope. If there was overwhelming evidence for God or evolution, everyone would be squarely centered in the same belief system. This doesn't mean that evidence for God isn't accessible. Evidence for God is extended on an individual basis. But, to the average citizen, evidence for God is on a shaky foundation. The same can be said of evolution. That's why there's a vast array of beliefs out there. Just because you don't agree with Jehovah's Witnesses doesn't mean they're subjects of mind control. Your tactics will never be effective in trying to reach them.
http://www.watchtower21.org/2011/04/brief-synopsis-of-steven-alan-hassan.html
Steven Hassan's Cult Theories
A brief synopsis of Steven Alan Hassan:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Hassan
Mental health counselor, advocate of exit counseling, author of two books on the subject of "cults" and what he describes as their use of mind control, thought reform, and the psychology of influence in order to recruit and retain members.
Himself a former member of the Unification Church, after spending one year assisting with involuntary deprogrammings, he developed what he describes as his own non-coercive methods for helping members of alleged cults to leave their groups, and developed therapeutic approaches for counseling former members in order to help them overcome the purported effects of cult membership.
To anyone stuck on the fictitious thinking of Steven Hassan and the like minded: The only real "mind control" that can be spoken of was instituted during the Dark Ages as no one could teach anything outside what was official church doctrine without being subjected to capital punishment. The foretold Messiah as described in the Gospels never ordered anyone to be subjected to violence for any reason, especially for disagreeing with him on spiritual matters. Now, as for clergy control over a population whom they had once held in ignorance, threatening them with hellfire if they disagreed with church dogma, the negative connotations of mind control carry on into contemporary society as the hellfire doctrine is still taught in popular theology. As an act of a rational choice, many people have rejected manipulative teachings when they were presented with options. As an example, options began to unfold when On the Origin of Species by Charles Darwin was published in 1859.
Steven Hassan simply made a personal decision about his own outlook on metaphysics and reality that worked for him. He doesn't necessarily subscribe to the facts of modern psychology. In the last two decades, psychologists and sociologists have abandoned theories like brainwashing and mind-control. They may believe that various less dramatic coercive psychological mechanisms could influence group members, but they've come to see conversion to a religious movement principally as an act of a rational choice. Most sociologists and scholars of religion have rejected the word "cult" altogether because of the negative connotations in mass culture and the broad scope of the word's definition confuses an author's intended meaning.
Jehovah's Witnesses serve Jehovah with a spirit of obedience. It's all too convenient for those that are disobedient to substitute obedience with control by some human agency. Not in a country where we enjoy religious freedom. People choose the path that is before them.
For we are overturning reasonings and every lofty thing raised up against the knowledge of God; and we are bringing every thought into captivity to make it obedient to the Christ; and we are holding ourselves in readiness to inflict punishment for every disobedience, as soon as your own obedience has been fully carried out. 2 Corinthians 10:5-6
"some times the lord has let his people look for the right thing as the wrong time, and more frequently they have looked for the wrong thing at the right time.
" and "...it will be the other fellow that will have to do the explaining, and not we.".
1. germs don't cause disease.. 2. aluminum cookware will poison you.
It's all there. Read any book on biology. No need to get off topic for something that's been discussed ad nauseam.
True, there is no explanation concerning timing in the bible. "Concerning that day and hour nobody knows" Then why did the WT society propose dates over and over? Claiming to be inspired by the Bible, when the Bible says otherwise? This isn't "dancing a gig" or nitpicking, these were major doctrines for a long time.
After 1925, the Watchtower Society had a clearer vision of the future. If some opposers chose to pick apart their research prior to 1925 for inconstancies; knock yourselves out. Sincere truth seekers can see through your unreasonable antics.
I hardly care to defend any church, but looking at history, most literalist religions/churches are founded by genuine people seeking some spiritual truth. Then they organize and become more orthodox and doctrinal. Then corruption eventually seeps in. JW is a very young religion, and we're already seeing these patterns occurring. I suspect things will continue to deteriorate. The way to God/Spiritual truth is not in any earthly organization, but is an internal realization.
What corruption is seeping in?
