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Buh bye Bob!

by Dagney in

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http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/12/us-usa-religion-schuller-idusbre82b00q20120312 .

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Notes from 2 day assembly - "Thought Control"

by baltar447 in

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these notes were sent to me from a close friend who is biding his time to leave.. some of this we have read about already, the demo with the two brothers and the damage control they are doing over the ridiculous generation nonsense, but the thing about "thought control"tm i had not heard before...... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------.

you learn something new every day at the 'sembly.

today at the 'sembly we were educated on the importance of, and i quote, "practicing thought control" .

Blind_Of_Lies

It would be interesting to know exactly what day/time/part title that "Thought Control" thing came out of. I wonder if the idea of "Thought Control" came out of an outline or it was cooked up by this one speaker.

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Sex Before Marriage

by Wishididntknow in

how many witness couples percentage wise do you think slip up and have sex before wedding day?

did you?.

Blind_Of_Lies

And seriously... how can you be expected to make a good decision about who to marry if you are never 100% alone with the person until AFTER the wedding? I mean seriously....

We tried the chaparone thing and it was HORRIBLE we couldnt talk about anything without having a 3rd party be involved and then go running back to parents or elders to report whatever they heard. We cut them out almost instantly and then did our own thing. I liked the idea of knowing exactly who I was marrying BEFORE I said "I DO".

I know a lot of people who did it the WT way and ended up wanting out inside of 6 months.

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Sex Before Marriage

by Wishididntknow in

how many witness couples percentage wise do you think slip up and have sex before wedding day?

did you?.

Blind_Of_Lies

We did not wait. We did not wait at all lol. I honestly thought it was a good thing as well. Our wedding was a complete dog and pony show. It's entire purpose was to "praise jah" as my MIL would say. My wife and I were not keen on the religon when we got married and frankly somone tried to stop it every chance they got. Overall our wedding was a complete Cluster F and we hated every second of it. Nothing about it was done for us, it was 100% an appearance thing and a show for the congragation.

I put my foot down durring the planning of it and we sidestepped the elders entirely by refusing to get married in the KH. This caused a huge uproar because obviously anyone who does not get married in a KH will be divorced in a matter of weeks. I held my ground on it, frankly neither of us ever had a desire to get married in that drab boring place called the Kingdom Hall. Frankly I dont think anyone really does and by agreeing to do it you open yourself up to complete elder control.... they then get to dangle the venue over your head.

Its been almost 11 years now... we are still married... we are completely without god in our marriage and we have never been happier.

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Do Jehovah witnesses exploit the most vulnerable in society?

by Blind_Of_Lies in

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during my final few years being active with the jws i noticed that the vast majority of people who were studying or joining the group in general where those that the rest of society would consider disabled and/or severely mentally ill. now by disabled i dont mean i lost my leg in nam kind of disabled... in some cases these people were mentally retarded, had the minds of children, were severely abused as children or even as adults and as a result had personality disorders that put them on the edge of society.... and then we had the full on crazies... about 15 years ago one of the brothers who worked at the local welfare office somehow started a study with a person who was a paranoid schizophrenic.

he met her because she was a client of the welfare office.

she got handed off to a sister who studied with her, then started driving her to her doctors appointments, and to get grocerys, and took her to congregation events.

Blind_Of_Lies

baltar447- That is exactly what I am talking about. They may have veered away from targeting the mentally ill in years past, but the numbers are down so its time to dip into the emergency fund...

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Do Jehovah witnesses exploit the most vulnerable in society?

by Blind_Of_Lies in

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during my final few years being active with the jws i noticed that the vast majority of people who were studying or joining the group in general where those that the rest of society would consider disabled and/or severely mentally ill. now by disabled i dont mean i lost my leg in nam kind of disabled... in some cases these people were mentally retarded, had the minds of children, were severely abused as children or even as adults and as a result had personality disorders that put them on the edge of society.... and then we had the full on crazies... about 15 years ago one of the brothers who worked at the local welfare office somehow started a study with a person who was a paranoid schizophrenic.

he met her because she was a client of the welfare office.

she got handed off to a sister who studied with her, then started driving her to her doctors appointments, and to get grocerys, and took her to congregation events.

Blind_Of_Lies

Without the schizo being there that congregation would have had nothing but negative growth in the past 10 years. In truth, she was/is exploiting the congregation, she did however make contributions of money and she added to the publisher numbers for that congregation.

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Has Anyone Been Present When a Dissident Spoke in KH?

by Band on the Run in

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i know some dissatisified members have planned to "throw caution to the wind" when they exit and break the news as a stunning revelation of lies.

some of my funniest memories were of teachers and others terminated but since they had to finish their contract, they decided to share their insights and horrors.

in normal life, there is a certain allowance made under the circumstances.

Blind_Of_Lies

Bump... I love this thread... lets keep it goin

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Do Jehovah witnesses exploit the most vulnerable in society?

by Blind_Of_Lies in

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during my final few years being active with the jws i noticed that the vast majority of people who were studying or joining the group in general where those that the rest of society would consider disabled and/or severely mentally ill. now by disabled i dont mean i lost my leg in nam kind of disabled... in some cases these people were mentally retarded, had the minds of children, were severely abused as children or even as adults and as a result had personality disorders that put them on the edge of society.... and then we had the full on crazies... about 15 years ago one of the brothers who worked at the local welfare office somehow started a study with a person who was a paranoid schizophrenic.

he met her because she was a client of the welfare office.

she got handed off to a sister who studied with her, then started driving her to her doctors appointments, and to get grocerys, and took her to congregation events.

Blind_Of_Lies

During my final few years being active with the JW’s I noticed that the vast majority of people who were studying or joining the group in general where those that the rest of society would consider disabled and/or severely mentally ill. Now by disabled I don’t mean “I lost my leg in nam” kind of disabled… In some cases these people were mentally retarded, had the minds of children, were severely abused as children or even as adults and as a result had personality disorders that put them on the edge of society…

And then we had the full on crazies… About 15 years ago one of the brothers who worked at the local welfare office somehow started a study with a person who was a paranoid schizophrenic. He met her because she was a client of the welfare office. She got handed off to a sister who studied with her, then started driving her to her doctors appointments, and to get grocery’s, and took her to congregation events. Effectively the sister who studied with her unwittingly became a care giver/family member/chief conductor of the crazy train. After a few months of this the woman decided she didn’t need her medications anymore and stopped taking them. She then turned on her study conductor and decided she was in fact… none other than Satan himself. By this time she was an unbaptized publisher and was well on the path to being baptized. So once she announced that she was going to kill her conductor the study was passed off to someone else, and then someone else, and eventually she became like a pet for the entire congregation. And by pet, I mean she became completely reliant on her “brothers and sisters” for everything… and I do mean everything. This is still ongoing, it’s been about 15 years and every few years she goes off her meds and decides everyone is the devil and must be slayed. Frankly I’m shocked she has not hurt anyone, we had to disarm her once in the KH when she brought a big knife to do the deed. That was fun. Not one time in all of these events did the elder body call the police, in fact they ran interference keeping people from doing so.

So… 15 years of this person… going out in service… going to meetings and what not… and best of all, informal “witnessing”. Who did she informally witness too?

The people at her support group for mental illness (the patients) and people in her fixed income/low income apartments. The result?

For the past 15 years she has cycled equally insane people through the congregation, the come, they sit, they comment, they get taken care of and then one day they start or stop taking their meds and all hell breaks loose.

I thought this was isolated to our congregation because of this one person… Then I moved and then I moved again and finally after a third major move in 5 years I settled down and in each of those congregations, something very similar was happening.

So I ask you this…

Has it been your experience or observation that in the past… say 10 years… the vast majority of people who “study” or even eventually get baptized are in some way “damaged”?

This could be people with mental issues

Mental illness

Physical disabilities

OR children/adults who came from or are currently in abusive homes

I mean no offence to these people, however this post will undoubtedly offend someone, if not everyone lol.

My point is, It appears to me that a high percentage of the people studying or associating with JW’s in recent years are either desperate, lonely, needy or frankly do not have the mental capacity to know what’s going on. They see someone coming to their door, they look nice they smile they say nice things and OMG they tell me all if have to do is love god and go to meetings and tell other people about it and BAM everyone else dies and I get to be perfect and live in paradise.

Ironically studies have been done on suicide bombers in the middle east… and they fit the above description as well. They are also promised paradise and virgins if only they walk into a crowd and push a button.

Are these people just easy targets for exploitation or is the WTBTS actually doing some sort of public service by taking these people in? I am betting on exploitation.

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Has Anyone Been Present When a Dissident Spoke in KH?

by Band on the Run in

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friends

i know some dissatisified members have planned to "throw caution to the wind" when they exit and break the news as a stunning revelation of lies.

some of my funniest memories were of teachers and others terminated but since they had to finish their contract, they decided to share their insights and horrors.

in normal life, there is a certain allowance made under the circumstances.

Blind_Of_Lies

A few years back a scuzzy guy showed up at one of our Sunday meetings, no one had ever seen him before in the hall but he was a well-known scumbag and meth head around town. He sat through the public talk then during the watchtower study (the study topic was about a prophecy involving a grapevine and the word of truth and the WTBS being the vine or something) (frankly I don’t remember the details of the study, it was nonsense and I was pretty much zoned out) (I do remember a picture relating to it in the Revelation book … I think… it was a line of seemingly random people with a grapevine all over them…) Anyway, they read some scripture and then through a very long stretch tried to say that the source of all truth was the GB or some nonsense like that. The guy first raised his hand, was ignored, then the conductor tried to move on with the next paragraph and he yelled out something challenging the whole thing. The conductor ignored him and moved on. It was amusing. It turns out the guy was called on out in service and answered the door all strung out and whoever called on him planted the seed that all he was missing in life was god and obviously we could provide that too him. Regardless, he never came back.

There was also several people who were brought into our congregation or who studied for extended time frames (like 5-10 years) who would attend…but they were stark raving mad. Like crazy, in and out of institutions kind of crazy. One of these people insisted on sitting alone, like in her own row… and in the front of the KH. The locals knew this and avoided her like the plague because she was known to either be violent or obsessive over brothers. Wives hated her because once she zoned in on a brother he was her everything, she suddenly couldn’t drive herself ANYWHERE, she was always sick, her house (an apartment with management) needed yard work, she couldn’t walk without holding someone’s (usually the brother’s) hand…. And on and on and on. Well one week we had a new family move into town and into the congregation. Well, they were late one meeting shortly after they moved in and the mother and daughter came in slightly after the song ended and found what appeared to be an entire row of empty seats with only 1 resident… they came in and sat down with like a 2 empty chair buffer between them and the lady who was crazy… they didn’t know she was crazy… slightly after they sat down she stood up looked at the woman and her daughter and screeched “BABALYON’S WHORES” then stomped out. That was fun.

Im going to start a similar thread about the above situation… I have a theory.

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Do you stil have Jw stuff

by d in

i still have jw stuff like bibles and watchtower i have to get rid of.

do you any of you guys and girls here have stuff you to get rid of..

Blind_Of_Lies

We threw everything away in chunks lol. First the watchtower and awakes turned into fire starter a couple winters ago... it burnt quite well after chanting Satan several times (that was a joke)

We put all the "books" into my bookbag then filed that in the closet where it sat untouched and unopened for a couple years. Then durring a cleaning/declutter spree i found them and they went to the dumpster. The only thing I hold onto is my personalized bible, i actually paid for that so im not willing to throw it away. I also have the "elder's" book in PDF format and the WT Lib is on my computer. Im debating if I should delete that or not, I do find it handy to use when proving an argument from their own lit.

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