i just watch the montel williams show on "the catholic church: scandal and sin".
"its a scandal shrouded in secrecy that many believe the roman catholic church has enabled...meet alleged victims of sexual abuse and hear the churchs response.
" i just sent him a response in regards to the fact that the catholic church is not the only religion that has covered sexual abuse in its ranks.
AM:
As a parent, I have to agree with you in your feelings. I live in Texas and we have a death penalty in our state. Although the state is criticized for this, I don't think the victims criticize it. It's called justice.
But it's not up to the Christian congregation to physically execute these wrongdoers. Divine justice will come at it's due time. Jehovah will read the hearts of all wrongdoers and act accordingly.
i just watch the montel williams show on "the catholic church: scandal and sin".
"its a scandal shrouded in secrecy that many believe the roman catholic church has enabled...meet alleged victims of sexual abuse and hear the churchs response.
" i just sent him a response in regards to the fact that the catholic church is not the only religion that has covered sexual abuse in its ranks.
he/she should be dealt with criminally
I agree fully with your comment William if the person has been proved to be a pedophile.
Like Celia remarked these individuals are sometimes moved to other congregations and because they have been dealt with by the elders, their sin has been covered up.I reread through Celia's posts and did not see where she said that these individuals are "sometimes moved to other congregations". Either way, no witnesses are moved by the Watchtower Society to other congregations when they have been disciplined by a judicial committee. Now, the individual might decide to move, but that is his choice. When someone moves to another congregation, the elders in the new congregation will request the publisher cards and a letter of introduction for that individual. It has been Watchtower policy since the early 90's that if the individual is a child molester or abuser, that this should be included in the introduction letter. This way the elders in the new congregation are warned and can keep a close eye on the individual.
i just watch the montel williams show on "the catholic church: scandal and sin".
"its a scandal shrouded in secrecy that many believe the roman catholic church has enabled...meet alleged victims of sexual abuse and hear the churchs response.
" i just sent him a response in regards to the fact that the catholic church is not the only religion that has covered sexual abuse in its ranks.
The 2 witness prerequisite was given in the Mosaic Law to protect people from slander or false accusations by their enemies. Surely, you see the benefit of that prerequisite when someone accuses another of wrongdoing. Even in courts today, solid evidence must be presented in order to prosecute a wrongdoer. 2 witnesses would provide that solid evidence to convict someone in the congregation.
Unfortunately it is true that it is very frustrating for those victims that were abused and are the only ones accusing the abuser. In those cases you will agree that extreme caution must be taken to protect the victim, but also to make sure that the accusation is a valid one. You say:just turn him in to the authorities and let them decide. I think the organization has also looked into that argument and have told elders to not interfere with a person going to the authorities. So this is a positive step forward.
The elders can't even warn parents in the congregation that so-and-so may have a problem and it would be better not to let him near the childrenActually the elders do have the authority to warn parents of possible abusers if that person has been convicted (by a judicial committee in the past) of that sin. They do not make an announcement to the congregation, but they do give a talk in the Service Meeting a few weeks after the judicial committee about that sin without giving out names. The members of the congregation are then formally warned of the dangers of these predators. Each parent is responsible for the safety of their children. Elders have approached a parent and warned them (without giving out details) about not associating with a certain individual. It's up to that parent to follow the counsel or disregard.
i just watch the montel williams show on "the catholic church: scandal and sin".
"its a scandal shrouded in secrecy that many believe the roman catholic church has enabled...meet alleged victims of sexual abuse and hear the churchs response.
" i just sent him a response in regards to the fact that the catholic church is not the only religion that has covered sexual abuse in its ranks.
Actually reinstatement usually comes after a year of the person attending meetings. When requesting to be reinstated the person then meets with the judicial committee again. At that point if the judicial committee sees fruits of repentance, then the person is reinstated. The person has received discipline for his actions. I know what the studies show, but will the person that is reinstated go back to his sinning ways? Maybe or maybe not. Each case is different. By disfellowshipping the person, the congregation is protected as there is no contact with that person.
my, how the years roll by.. 20 years ago today argentina invaded the falkland islands.. friday 2nd april 1982.. it seems like yesterday.. edited to change 70 years for 20 years, because i'm really not old enough to remember 70 years back - honest.. thanks xena!
If the Falklands hold no 'value' then why would Argentina invade to take them away from Great Britain? It was a power play
Argentina invaded the Falkland Islands in a desperate attempt to gain the peoples favor. The Military Junta headed at that time by General Leopoldo Galtieri were loosing control of its people. Many mothers protested the disappearance of their children and the dictatorship was on its way out. They invaded so that the Argentine people would get engulfed in patriotism and forget that they did not have jobs nor enough food to put on their tables. It worked for a little while, until their young men started arriving in body bags. They had no chance against the military might of Great Britain.
i just watch the montel williams show on "the catholic church: scandal and sin".
"its a scandal shrouded in secrecy that many believe the roman catholic church has enabled...meet alleged victims of sexual abuse and hear the churchs response.
" i just sent him a response in regards to the fact that the catholic church is not the only religion that has covered sexual abuse in its ranks.
The difference in night and day.
Catholic priests guilty of child abuse were not disciplined by the church. Many were just moved to another church to continue their services (and abuse). Others were just covered up.
Jehovah's Witnesses disfellowship child abusers. They do not move them to another congregation were they can start clean. They handle the situation locally so they are not covering up the abuser.
the memorial was held last night at a community center about 15 km away from the kingdom hall.
as a df'd person, i always feel more uncomfortable if the memorial is held at a location other than the regular kh, as i would otherwise know my way around where to sit in obscurity, as well as arriving just as the meeting is about to start.. well, i decided to come a little bit earlier (although not too early) - then walked inside the community center and suddenly i was standing in front of the wide entrance where practically everyone was gathered in order to get a perfect view of who were entering the hall.
needless to say, i felt like an alien, someone who did not exist at all, yet when i gazed into the eyes of many of the ones i know, i noticed that they were secretly looking at me and then quickly turned their heads away from me.
Yadira:
You are wrong, I am not YADIRF. He is not an active JW and I don't agree with some of his views. You can email Simon and ask him if we are the same person if you don't belive me.
fyi...I read your post on the meal you had with your JW deaughter. I'm very happy that it worked out for you. Chau.
now i understand completely that most in this forum are 100% against jws and the watchtower.
what i don't understand is the disrespect that has been shown for such a sacred occasion that is the memorial (last supper).
whether you agree with jws or not, the fact is that the last supper has a lot of meaning for christians.
Undecided:
Wow, I never thought about it that way. The only thing I can think of is that Jehovah did not approve of the sacrifices that those Israelites were doing to false gods. The sacrifices did not mean anything. The sacrifice he provided by means of Jesus Christ is a bit different as it is in favor of all humanity. Jesus was not forced to give his life but volunteered our of the love he had for humans and also for the laws of justice of his father.
now i understand completely that most in this forum are 100% against jws and the watchtower.
what i don't understand is the disrespect that has been shown for such a sacred occasion that is the memorial (last supper).
whether you agree with jws or not, the fact is that the last supper has a lot of meaning for christians.
Simon:
I don't think it's about respecting the JW occasion, but a Biblical occasion that shows respect for what Jesus did.
Lilacs:
I see your point, but it does not erase the fact that remembering Jesus on the day that he had that special moment is a show of respect towards him.
now i understand completely that most in this forum are 100% against jws and the watchtower.
what i don't understand is the disrespect that has been shown for such a sacred occasion that is the memorial (last supper).
whether you agree with jws or not, the fact is that the last supper has a lot of meaning for christians.
Now I understand completely that most in this forum are 100% against JWs and the Watchtower.
What I don't understand is the disrespect that has been shown for such a sacred occasion that is the memorial (Last Supper). Whether you agree with JWs or not, the fact is that the Last Supper has a lot of meaning for Christians. If you are a Christian then you know that Jesus did sacrifice his life for us and it shows respect and love to him to remember that meaningful occasion when he passed out the bread and wine.
It makes me very sad to see the ridiculing that is going around about this special event.
It makes me very sad to see the rediculing that is going around about this special event.
