does freedom of thought really obtain in this forum?
are those who have left god's organization and jehovah god himself actually now more open-minded and unbiased?
if those who espouse atheistic thoughts or those who believe every vile utterance spoken against jehovah's people think they are now speaking from some olympian perspective, i beg to differ.
Dunsscot in his prolixity is as redundant an autonomus agent as his terminology; e.g., "the hoi polloi."
Never answer a fool according to his folly.
Maximus
Going back to his book for the weekend, Gooch's "The Numinous and Modernity : An Interpretation of Rudolf Otto's Philosophy of Religion (Beihefte Zur Zeitschrift Fur Die Alttestamentliche Wissenschaf)."
considering the simple fact that the watchtower society has declared the united nations an organization lead by satan, it certainly devote a lot of attention to what the un do and say.
*** w99 5/1 15 "let the reader use discernment" ***.
the watchtower definitively said: the whole tendency of the league of nations is to turn the people away from god and from christ, and it is therefore a desolating thing, the product of satan, and an abomination in the sight of god.
Here's my well informed take-home message.
The organizational imperative is: survival
No matter an inconsistent message.
Maximus
what is the future of the watchtower society?.
this subject is the greatest mystery of my life.
been in the borg since infancy - my parents and.
:: 1. A researcher reads a current book (as I'm doing) on history, science, whatever.
No, it's more like clipping newspaper articles and general gleaning.
:: 2. S(he) (in the WT case, most probably HE) presents interesting tidbits from book and a synopsis of it
Again, they don't read books on or off-campus.
:: 3. The writing staff does articles, putting a biblical spin on it, ending with a ubiquitous 'God-will-solve-this-soon.'
Yup. They generally start with the general idea they want to put out, then some quotations--what's a "researcher" for if not to supply quotations. That's how a quotation completely out of context can get in an article, because neither the writer nor the researcher has ever read the original! They are simply looking for words that apparently buttress their case. Awfully shallow. Metatron's post discusses the cut and paste technique.
Sometimes they actually take a quotation and purposely misuse it for very specific reasons. A recent one is about to backfire on them in large measure!
Thanks for the opportunity to make that point in this thread. Just wanted to disabuse the notion that Writing actually reads books.
Ain't it great to be able to use the mind God gave us?
Max
some of you may have already made a post about this but i have decided to post the following anyway.. the booklet - how can blood save your life?
(copyright 2000).
part 2 - bloodvital for life.
Hawk, check your work e-mail.
Max
some of you may have already made a post about this but i have decided to post the following anyway.. the booklet - how can blood save your life?
(copyright 2000).
part 2 - bloodvital for life.
Got it, have thanked you publicly elsewhere.
I hate hypocrisy and I hate dishonesty. This time they have been exposed, and it's going to be costly for them.
Max
while much attention is given to doctrine in sites such as this, very little is noted about the watchtower societys intellectual dishonesty in its publications, especially when it comes to quotations.. oftentimes the societys writers will cite a scholar or author of some repute: "professor blank observes that blah, blah, blah.
" the reader assumes from the quotation that professor blank is in agreement with the organizations position, of course, and that the quotation chosen accurately depicts the authors thoughts.. heres the catch: the words between the quotation marks may be accurate, but the snippet may not at all faithfully represent someones actual thesis or position.
much like a newspaper ad for a movie that quotes a reviewer as saying "monumental!
Hawk, let me publicly thank you for your very special efforts in unmasking the Society's naked dishonesty.
The article is a masterpiece of purposeful obfuscation, in the decades-long evolution of the blood policy.
They haven't gotten away with this one.
As a cross reference, for practical application, I suggest reading the thread on Disfellowshipping versus Disassociation by Marvin Shilmer.
I'll write you privately. It is indeed a ten-guage response.
Max
disassociation versus disfellowshipping is an interesting discussion for several reasons.
morally, one thing matters: both are procedures put in place by the wts to impose shunning.
that is the bottom line.
Got the e-mail, and I'm ecstatic, hawk. You are truly the Big Raptor.
And to think of it, the three of us have never even met. Strangers.
I'm going to take a page from the filmmaker Alfred Hitchcock. His thesis was that it was better to show the bomb ticking under the table rather than just to let it go off.
Let's let them squirm.
For now.
I'm very grateful for your help in unmasking naked dishonesty that has riled me since I read it in The Watchtower.
Maximus
disassociation versus disfellowshipping is an interesting discussion for several reasons.
morally, one thing matters: both are procedures put in place by the wts to impose shunning.
that is the bottom line.
:: If defamation arises from breaching medical confidentiality or congregational snoops, then those responsible for enacting the procedure of “disassociation” become legally liable for that defamation. If the legal argument of inevitability disappears then the playing field is leveled back to what it would be for disfellowshipping.
Ah so. Elders, watch out. Another opportunity for you to be left slowly twisting in the wind.
Based on the volume of my personal hotmail, I am aware there are many individuals in authority who observe these threads with intense interest.
You who are taking a prayerful look at your relationship to God, his Word, and to the organization, I respectfully urge you to take the time to work through this very thoughtful and carefully reasoned post, and others like it. You have a choice.
This is not an arcane subject like the Higher Powers adjustment that could be waited upon for decades. Or even the "adjustment" on alternative service in which lives were ruined but not lost. This policy is about life or death, today, for countless persons for whom "accepted fractions" and "alternatives" will just not medically work to save their life. And remember the innocent children, who have no voice at all--silent lambs whose lives may be in your hands.
Speaking of PR, didn't I read somewhere that an official spokesman for the Society termed elders "untrained volunteers"?
Earnestly,
Maximus
i don't mean in general, i mean for exjw's... is there a noticable advantage to pairing with someone with the same background?
i'd like to read your thoughts and experiences on this subject.. i've been romantically involved few times, since "the light got brighter" for me about the organization, with people who didn't know anything about jw's before meeting me.
one of them viewed my exjw activity as a bit obsessive but okay as long as she got to obsess on her favorite obesssions, too.
Yo, COMF!
Knowing you, I realize you comprehend the powerful input from higher cortical function in the most sensual acts of love-making.
While you're introspecting, rent the Jack Lemmon movie "Save the Tiger." Unless you already remember it.
My sex life is very exciting, better than it's ever been. With the same partner. Because of eliminated repression? Not at all.
The new post-JW dimension is a total intimacy, with full revelation of self, in which I understand and am completely understood.
It's incredible, terrific.
Warmest,
Max
considering the simple fact that the watchtower society has declared the united nations an organization lead by satan, it certainly devote a lot of attention to what the un do and say.
*** w99 5/1 15 "let the reader use discernment" ***.
the watchtower definitively said: the whole tendency of the league of nations is to turn the people away from god and from christ, and it is therefore a desolating thing, the product of satan, and an abomination in the sight of god.
I say, Norm, wasn't there an experience told at all district conventions this series wherein a nice lady spent all her time in such volunteer work, even listed many of the activities noted in Awake!
And she gave it all up for --- pioneering. (Audience applauds.)
Mmmmm. But they can show this magazine to unsuspecting government officials in some country who will never suspect .....
Max
Remembering Metatron's rant ...
