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  Evil Men/silentlambs

  by silentlambs in

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  2. scandals

  this was a post i made six months ago, some of you may have missed it.

  i have watched many responses from those within the organization that endeavor to defend the current watchtower policy toward pedophiles.

  the most common response seems to be that any accused child molester is reported to the watchtower legal department and then reported to local authorities with cooperation from the local elders.

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  Attracted by the abuse coverup issue, another major news organization is now planning to concentrate its large resources on other aspects of organizational conduct and behavior that is clearly not Christian, by anyone's standard.

  An attack from Satan? Hardly. From apostates? No. Child abuse coverup is not a doctrinal issue to be theologized in any way.

  I continue to be amazed by the number of non-posting individuals who read this board carefully and write me offering their help to expose egregious acts that heretofore have been covered over. Some are not JWs.

  Invariably they cite their extreme discomfort or anguish at acknowledging WTS leaders as "imperfect men," while at the same time being forced to accept these same men as infallible! Consciences are deeply troubled.

  I have read a number of heartening accounts of men who have risked enforced shunning to break the code of silence in spite of what the Society tacitly omits, or even the instruction of traveling overseers. Many times someone will resolve an issue in some other way, such as an anonymous call to authorities. How tragic that they have to feel they must do so on their own.

  A number state that child abuse 1) is just not viewed as the crime of violence that it is and 2) its leaders are preoccupied about protecting the organization and the myth that its leaders are infallible, even if acknowledged as imperfect.

  Maximus
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  A Chinese Meal with Fred Franz

  by VM44 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  near the beginning of the book, "the orwellian world of jehovah's.

  witnesses," one of the authors gives a personal experience where.

  he and others were treated by fred franz to a meal at a chinese.

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  As a CO I recall serving in ghetto congregations where I was embarassed by the number of elderly folks and poor families pressing a crumpled $1 bill in my palm, but accepted it in the loving spirit in which it was offered. Always covered the necessities. My wife and I once shared a meal with a sister comprised likely of a neighborhood sparrow. It was shared in love, and likewise received in gratitude.

  In the same circuit, across the tracks, the wealthiest congregation didn't bother "asking" for expenses--weren't allowed to just turn them in at the time. I later asked a prominent elder why that was the case, and he said he did not wish to spoil traveling reps; they should learn what life was really like. That congregation reflected this fellow, and I barely had money for gas.

  My wife and I each Monday moved our entire wardrobe and earthly possessions to the next congregation, doing the same thing the following week. We barely made ends meet but never were hungry.

  What do you think it was like to sit in a meeting at the circuit assembly in which a vote was taken on whether to pay a small dental bill? One wag finally said, "It isn't our fault he has bad teeth." Humiliating.

  I knew a contemporary who inadvertently turned in a pharmacy bill that included the purchase of condoms. Can you imagine the hell that broke loose? The congregation through its wise ones refused to pay that princely sum. Poor guy didn't learn. Next visit it was his wife's sanitary napkins! Ouch.

  I kid you not.

  There are some really sad stories of older folks who were used and then discarded like old shoes, with no place to go. But that's a story for another day.

  I have absolutely no use for the czars who clean up today. Copernicus tells it like it is in many well-to-do areas. The tithing of $6.50 per head was dropped, I understand, but circumstances may dictate a return .... someone else may have details.

  GB members still have their sugar daddies these days. Men like Fred Franz abhorred that kind of thing. I knew the man's flaws but also have to tell it like it is, as did Kismet. FWF had a special fondness for missionaries.

  Max
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  Fred Franz Discredited a GB -- Part II

  by RationalWitness in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  fred franz discredited a gb -- part ii .

  after elaborating on how jesus christ had 'used' c. t. russell as a modern-day evangelizer, franz continued his talk with an historical look at the origins of the gilead school, evidently intending to remind his audience that it was not a "governing body", but the president of the society who had been 'used' by god to bring about this marvelous educational institution.

  his comments regarding how the society's president was "viewed" are of particular note, as they suggest what the governing body's nearly year-long discussions were aimed at bringing about ...well, so that watch tower bible and tract society, uh, operated throughout the years, and then, to make the story short, we come down to the year 1942. and i can remember a special meeting that was held on thursday, september the 24th, of the year 1942. a new president had, eh, arisen to preside over the affairs of the watch tower bible and tract society.

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  double post from demonic influence--probably Masonic.
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  Fred Franz Discredited a GB -- Part II

  by RationalWitness in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  fred franz discredited a gb -- part ii .

  after elaborating on how jesus christ had 'used' c. t. russell as a modern-day evangelizer, franz continued his talk with an historical look at the origins of the gilead school, evidently intending to remind his audience that it was not a "governing body", but the president of the society who had been 'used' by god to bring about this marvelous educational institution.

  his comments regarding how the society's president was "viewed" are of particular note, as they suggest what the governing body's nearly year-long discussions were aimed at bringing about ...well, so that watch tower bible and tract society, uh, operated throughout the years, and then, to make the story short, we come down to the year 1942. and i can remember a special meeting that was held on thursday, september the 24th, of the year 1942. a new president had, eh, arisen to preside over the affairs of the watch tower bible and tract society.

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  There was no bigger boy than Fred Franz, who could say anything he pleased, and often did to the consternation of others. On "known Biblical information" he was ultimate authority. Who would/could have taken "corrective measures" if he deviated?

  Not a writer, Knorr composed none of his own talks and made no pretense of being a theologian; he had to rely on his Oracle, FWF. Fred felt it his bounden duty and solemn obligation to support the man with the mantle, Knorr, as he had Rutherford and Russell in the past.

  Above all, Fred was ever the pragmatist. Like a good attorney, he could argue both sides of an issue but always took the expedient or the "loyal" in the final analysis. It is not at all inconsistent for him to have expressed his own personal thoughts and then turn right around and lay out the "theology" of a governing body, as he did in the Watchtower later. Maddening to those around him sometimes.

  I know for a fact he did not agree with the "theological" rationale for Beth-Sarim, but laid it out when he had to; then corrected it in 1950 with the electifying talk at Yankee Stadium identifying the "princes" or "ancient worthies" in attendance that day. A shocker to those who had nodded off during the exposition.

  RW is absolutely correct. I've posted him privately on his question above. And thanks, Venice, for your great post.

  Max
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  Secret Watchtower Writer Exposed

  by jst2laws in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  watchtower writer exposed.

  sat through the watchtower today, both my wife and i grumbling under our breath, this is a joke.

  we today have clear evidence that this foretold enthronement.

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  "Yeah, YEAH, uhhhhhh, that's the ticket!"

  Lord I have not heard the term Pappy for a very long time.
  Please explain for the children, just2.

  Max
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  A Chinese Meal with Fred Franz

  by VM44 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  near the beginning of the book, "the orwellian world of jehovah's.

  witnesses," one of the authors gives a personal experience where.

  he and others were treated by fred franz to a meal at a chinese.

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  Seeker is right, there was no expense account. FWF would not have been able to do the paperwork anyway ... When he traveled--and one year he went around the world--folks would slip him cash either in his palm or in envelopes, but nothing on the grand scale that takes place today.

  Freddie certainly didn't spend his money on clothing!

  He could be quite generous to anyone, especially those NOT prominent, such as missionaries or others who were in no position to pick up a tab.

  Other notables would pick up checks too, for different reasons. Grant Suiter, when taken to a regular Manhattan restaurant when doing a preconvention radio show, would turn up his nose, refuse to go in, and instead take his hosts to one of NY's finest, for the best cuisine.

  Max
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  Microsoft Donation and WTS

  by MacHislopp in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  maybe it will interest some.... "microsoft corporation supports its employees philanthropy by matching employee donations up to $12,000 per employee per year to eligible 501(c)(3) nonprofit organizations.

  through its matching gifts program, microsoft donated at least $5,000 in cash and/or $25,000 in software (retail value) to the following organizations.

  (donations to religious organizations are restricted to secular community service programs.

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  Right on, f. If the interview had taken place in a laundromat, you would have seen a ton of old mags. On another Microsoft theme, scroll for all 3 panels:
  
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  District Convention 2001?

  by Patriot in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i bumped into an old m.s.

  who has not yet realized that i haven't gone to a meeting in about 20 months and asked me if i had my district convention yet.

  i said no that it was "coming up".. he then told that there was "new information" given and an "adjustment" in the way we do things.

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  Biggest flashes from the temple:

  Governing body, "Society" and elders are imperfect men. Listen to them anyway or face the fate of Korah and Kompany.

  The corporate adjustments in the Fall of 2000 are fulfillments of Isaiah's prophecy.

  Wowsers.

  Max
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  One Simple Truth

  by metatron in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  some things are so simple, they can get overlooked.. for some time, i wished there was a simple, unassailable.

  arguement against being one of the borg.. and there is - what is the purpose of life?.

  answer: to be happy!

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  Then there are those elders who would like to submit to Writing a serious treatise about the beneficial properties of playing golf and being a shepherd of the flock. I'm as serious as a heart attack.

  Dubito, ergo sum.

  Max
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  WRITING CAMPAIGN AGAINST THE borg

  by BERNARD in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  dear friends.

  we all were once part of the borg and following there belief system.

  only to find out years later we have been mislead.there are many who are still part of the borg but are afraid to ask questions concerning there belief system because you don't want to be disfellowship.

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  Did Sam try to rub your back too?

  Max