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Maximus
Maximus
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Nourishment for the Spirit
by Maximus inmy observation is that persons who 1) heal/adjust the most rapidly from their jw experience and 2) seem to have the most joy in life are those who read, read, read, in pursuit of what i call nourishment for the spirit.
i've really enjoy the pithy aphorisms you use here, which suggests you've distilled some wisdom from somewhere.
i'm going to ask your help in this thread.
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Silent Roar
by silentlambs ini received another call tonight; this person was given the silentlambs site about an hour ago.
how can i convey the feeling when you hear the same tearful words over and over again?
i thought i was the only one.
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Had Enough,
The only child these men revere is GOD'S CHILD, the ORGANIZATION.
They protect it fiercely in their malignant stupidity. They don't shield molesters, they protect the organization, keep it free from reproach!
Maximus
Perhaps the reference is to the enormous pre-trial settlement in the Southern California Catholic Church diocese and archdioceses, where a case that seemingly did not have sufficient evidence was settled anyway. Threads were from Ray Skyhorse and CPiolo, someone else can provide the links or you likely will remember them.
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Silent Roar
by silentlambs ini received another call tonight; this person was given the silentlambs site about an hour ago.
how can i convey the feeling when you hear the same tearful words over and over again?
i thought i was the only one.
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Maximus
Just received a communication regarding a case brought to my attention involving the abuse of power of both a circuit and district overseer, and of course direction from On High.
Victim has had the case reviewed by a highly experienced attorney who was quite eager to get the case. Details eventually .... In a phone conversation the victim was as ecstatic as a human can be, the result of "complete liberation that came from telling the truth, and being heard at long last."
Make ready for yet another refugee at the Silentlambs camp, Bill.
Sweat, Watchtower, sweat.
Our hearts go out to the walking wounded whose circumstances still leaves them in fear and anguish. Hopefully they will see Silentlambs as safe harbor.
Maximus
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When will NBC Dateline piece on JWs air??
by broken inhas an aircate been set for the nbc dateline piece on jw child abuse yet?
if so, when is it?
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Maximus
Logical, blondie,
That's what the Society hopes too.
Lest anyone take your comments for lack of faith or not see the nature of the jest, let me say again what I've stated is authentic.
Maximus
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'Pope' Arguments in Witness Mouths
by metatron init's getting more and more enjoyable listening to.
witnesses defend the ever feared and worshiped.
organization because they now have to adopt the same.
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Mac,
Permit a small clarification.
The Catholic Church has not trotted out the doctrine of papal infallibility (when Il Papa speaks "ex cathedra" or officially 'from the throne') for a VERY long time now. Seems as though the light got brighter for them earlier than the Watchtower governing body!
Encyclicals from the Vatican have often been startling in recent years. Way back I published the Pope's encyclical about Biblical research, which essentially was an attack on narrow fundamentalism. (Yes.) What he wrote was that the Bible can best be understood by an appreciation of cultural background, milieu, language of the day, and so on. Essentially he said, Let the chips fall where they may, without forcing a previously held opinion--again an attack on the circular reasoning the Society embraces. I may get around to a post on that again--very revealing.
Ex JWs generally are stunned when they read modern Catholic scholarship. Case in point: The New Jerome Bible Commentary. The New Jerome Bible Handbook is a much smaller version and has these fine encyclicals in its overview of textual and higher criticism; well worth reading.
Mac, I really appreciate your posts. Incidentally, in the previous thread again some time back on that congressional hearing, I posted some questions raised in connection with what the Society had to do to get there in the first place. It's called politics; well, maybe appealing to Caesar sounds a little better, right?
At any rate, Metatron is right on target as always. For years the org's chief enemy was the Catholic Church, for the very reason it had an ecclesiastical body that interpreted truth and dictated doctrine. Today compare excommunication with the pain of enforced shunning!
Maximus
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Matthew 25
by Farkel inwhen did we see you a stranger and receive you hospitably, or naked, and clothe you?
he was talking about food, clothing, shelter and supplication to the least of the brothers.
he could not be talking about anything else and here is why: could any human offer jesus spiritual food?
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Sorry, Farkel. The dude's love affair with LaRouche has got to be exposed:
"LaRouche was paroled from federal prison in January 1994 after serving five years of a 15-year sentence for mail fraud and tax evasion ... who has made his reputation on bizarre conspiracy theories and extensive networking among the fringes of the political spectrum."
THE MIND OF THE SOCIOPATH
Cultic Studies Journal
Psychological Manipulation and Society
Vol. 10, No. 1, 1993Lyndon LaRouche and the New American Fascism
Dennis King. Doubleday, New York, 1990, 415 pages.
Reviewer: Andrea Bloomgarden, Ph.D.Who is Lyndon LaRouche? If one is at all interested in the cult scene, one might have heard something about Mr. LaRouche. Perhaps one has heard that he is a member of the far right and hates Jews, or that he has been in prison for tax evasion. During this past election, I spotted posters espousing his presidency in the tourist areas of Seattle. In picking up Dennis King's book, one would probably hope to end up understanding something more about the motivations of Lyndon LaRouche. In particular, a good biography of LaRouche would offer an integration of what he has done with why he has done it. Perhaps "New American Fascism" would refer to a movement that he has created, and the book would integrate the culture of the United States and its ripeness for cultism with something about Mr. LaRouche's personality character.
In reading this book, I found that 99% of the words pertained to what LaRouche had done, and the remaining, if that, on the question of why. Moreover, "New American Fascism" was not explained in any cultural context; it was more of a description of LaRouche's infiltration into mainstream politics without an explanation why this might be happening at this time. Not only was the lack of analysis frustrating, but without an explanatory framework for why LaRouche did what he did, it was difficult to integrate all of the facts presented in the book. The book reads like a dictionary. Each entry might be more or less interesting—for example, LaRouche's contacts with various American politicians had a pleasant behind-the-scenes gossipy quality—yet, there was no forest to be found for the trees.
A total of two and one half pages (pp. 4–6) were spent on LaRouche's family background, which, if expanded, might have helped us to understand how LaRouche came to be. There were suggestions that his childhood was unhappy (not surprisingly). Since his parents were Quaker, he was told that under no circumstances could he fight with other children (even in self-defense); thus, he experienced "years of hell" from bullies at school (p. 4). It is interesting, then, that LaRouche, apparently in the opinion of many, turned into an international bully and a cult leader who essentially bullied his own followers into submission. Also, there seems to have been some hypocrisy in this family's espoused Quaker values. King describes LaRouche's parents as "ferocious sectarians who accused their co-religionists of closet Bolshevism and embezzlement of religious funds" (p. 4). However, King does not go further into this background, nor does he propose any hypotheses about how it might have affected LaRouche.
On the positive side, there are a lot of interesting, if not shocking, descriptions of LaRouche's (and his cult followers') activities and beliefs. For example, LaRouche had a particular dislike for Henry Kissinger and went all out to try to get him. To name a few things he did to annoy Kissinger: LaRouche circulated a leaflet entitled, "Kissinger: The Politics of Faggotry" (p. 151), and had his followers harass Kissinger in Europe with "schoolboy pranks, crank calls," and so forth (p. 150). He also disseminated an article called "How Henry Kissinger Will Be Destroyed" to Kissinger's audience when he spoke at Georgetown University (p. 151). Still, one is left not really understanding where all the loathing for Kissinger came from. Of course, it is alleged that LaRouche hates Jewish people, but why did he single out Kissinger and why did he insist that Kissinger is gay when Kissinger is married and there is no reason to believe that he is gay?
King's description of LaRouche's beliefs and activities makes for enjoyable reading in the way that a horror movie can make for good entertainment. If King is accurate, then LaRouche (and his followers) are about as cynical, sociopathic, and exploitative as they come. For example, King writes, "the LaRouchians had come to believe that really clever conspirators never carry out an assassination themselves, but simply spread hate propaganda about the targeted person which might trigger an attack by some disturbed personality or fanatic. That way they can never be held legally responsible" (p. 153). This book is full of endlessly disturbing descriptions of LaRouche's hunger for and abuse of power.
Back to the problems with the book. Essential in a biography is something about the biographer's relation to the material. King does not say a word about how he knows so much about LaRouche or why he is interested in his subject. This would be helpful information for the reader. If, for example, King were an ex-follower, that would be interesting to know.
In sum, if one were to write a dissertation on Lyndon LaRouche, this book might be helpful in its comprehensiveness. It covers, with completeness, LaRouche's activities from about age 19 onward. However, it will not be a satisfying read for one who wants to understand what makes Lyndon LaRouche tick, or for one who hopes to walk away from the book with a greater understanding of the sociopathic mind.
Andrea Bloomgarden, Ph.D.
West Chester University Counseling Center
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania...................WOULD YOU BUY A USED CAR FROM THIS MAN?.............
Uncommon Ground:
The Black African Holocaust Council
and Other Links Between
Black and White ExtremistsAnother Black-White Extremist Link: NOI and Lyndon LaRouche
The most extensive ad hoc alliance involving Black and white extremists is the relationship between the Nation of Islam and the Lyndon LaRouche organization. LaRouche, who was paroled from federal prison in January 1994 after serving 5 years of a 15-year sentence for mail fraud and tax evasion, is a former Trotskyist who turned sharply rightward during the 1970s and who has made his reputation on bizarre conspiracy theories and extensive networking among the fringes of the political spectrum. LaRouche's relationship with NOI provides clear proof of the chameleon-like character of his group; as recently as the mid-1980s, while LaRouche associates were preparing intelligence reports on American anti-Aparthied groups for the Republic of South Africa, LaRouche-controlled publications were denouncing NOI for their relationship with Libyan dictator Muammar Kaddafi, alleging that Farrakhan was involved with Kadaffi's sponsorship of international terrorism. By the end of the decade, however, followers of LaRouche and Farrakhan -- including NOI Health Minister Abdul Alim Muhammad -- met in Paris to discuss the theory that the AIDS virus is part of a government conspiracy against African-Americans.
More recently, the two organizations have joined forces to denounce the Anti-Defamation League, which has exposed the anti-Semitism and extremism of both groups. During the fall of 1992, LaRouche representatives joined Abdul Alim Muhammad in two rallies at Washinton, D.C.'s Howard University devoted tothe proposal that ADL is "the new Ku Klux Klan" -- an ironic designation, considering the fact that LaRouche has been associated with several members of the "old" Ku Klux Klan. Joint LaRouche-NOI rallies have continued to take place at Black-oriented colleges in the District of Columbia, Baltimore, and Boston, throughout 1994.
Participants in these rallies have stopped at nothing to demonize the League. "ADL is behind drugs, destruction of children, and AIDS," one LaRouche representative stated at Howard. "This is not an attack on Jews -- it's an attack onthe Anti-Defamation League....and the synagogues of Satan [who] have too much control of the country," a Farrakhan supporter told The Washington Times. LaRouche rhetoric has also slipped into the public comments of NOI officials; New York NOI Minister Conrad Muhammad, for example, asked The NewYorker magazine in February 1994, "Why not condemn the criminal activities and the charges that have been laid at [ADL's] door that they were a front organization for Meyer Lansky and other gangsters?" These charges against ADL have been leveled exclusively by LaRouche publications.
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When will NBC Dateline piece on JWs air??
by broken inhas an aircate been set for the nbc dateline piece on jw child abuse yet?
if so, when is it?
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Maximus
If you can get NBC regular network by satellite or other means, you will get Dateline.
It's not beyond the realm of possibility that the presentation may later be available for the Internet, but there would be clearance issues to hurdle. Other possibilities exist as well.
Max
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When will NBC Dateline piece on JWs air??
by broken inhas an aircate been set for the nbc dateline piece on jw child abuse yet?
if so, when is it?
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Maximus
According to its producer, the Dateline program is getting close to its final form.
No specific date has been set as yet, but everyone will have ample notice. It will be well publicized.
Maximus
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Matthew 25
by Farkel inwhen did we see you a stranger and receive you hospitably, or naked, and clothe you?
he was talking about food, clothing, shelter and supplication to the least of the brothers.
he could not be talking about anything else and here is why: could any human offer jesus spiritual food?
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Maximus
Superb, Farkel. Check your e-mail for scoop about big change.
Max
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JW Child Abuse: An Insider's Insight
by silentlambs ini post the following at the request of barbara anderson.. .
as a result of the newspaper report calling attention to my actions i feel compelled to provide further information that has come to light and deserves full exposure.. the society is very much aware of my intentions, because of a private e-mail i innocently wrote someone was forwarded to the society without my permission.
you can read it in its entirety, below.
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Maximus
To the top, for inquirer.
Max
