To M.J.: I'm sorry, I don't. My wife, who left me over the child abuse issue, is a nurse. I remember when I was a book study conductor that an article came out about this and everyone was arguing about the logic. I hope someone can help out here. sorry for the typos, i have the flu.
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What one sentence could you say to a JW that would stick with them?
by AlmostAtheist inyou've probably heard sentences that stuck with you.
quotes, one-liners.
you hear them and they make so much sense or touch you so personally at the time that they become part of you.
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What one sentence could you say to a JW that would stick with them?
by AlmostAtheist inyou've probably heard sentences that stuck with you.
quotes, one-liners.
you hear them and they make so much sense or touch you so personally at the time that they become part of you.
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I liked the one about 1919 and Jesus approving them as the "faithful slave class". The only thing you can count on the WT being faithful about is changing their minds (do they have minds???) and lying about it. The book "Captives of a Concept" dealt with this and was excellent. Another good one I always liked was when I asked a WT why God would kill the children of unbelievers but is going to spare retarded and brain damaged people because "they can't understand the issues and make a choice for Jehovah". Well, gee whiz, how can a 3 month old infant do that either?? Does anyone else get outraged at the illogical statements these idiots make? Has anyone ever questioned an elder about this? I'd love to see them try to weasel out of that one. SIX BILLION people should die because they innocenting chose the wrong religion?? Like they should choose one that lies, rapes children, brings reproach on God's name (isn't that why they DF others??) and breaks 95% of the Bible guidelines? I sometimes wonder if one of the qualifications to survive Armageddon is to be morally perverted, a liar, and an idiot. When is someone at the hall going to mention that "elephant in the room"?? They are already 3 feet deep in elephant sh*t, you'd think they'd have to either talk about getting the elephant to stop or else leave the room before they get buried. Maybe they like the smell or don't recognize what the elephant is producing because it's the only substance ever seen at a kingdom hall. "JW's are like mushrooms, keep them in the dark and feed them manure." (author unknown to me). Thank you.
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MAJOR SHUNNING ARTICLE SPOKESMAN REVIEW WASHINGTON
by DannyHaszard inmonday thoughts
the spokesman review, wa - 45 minutes ago .
... before getting to the sports section, i read every word of virginia de leon's piece about disfellowshipped jehovah's witnesses cut off by faith, and i'm ...
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Very good points, Mr. Shakita! He did it to himself?? Let me explain, MORON. A JW does something, say like THINKING, and asks a question that should have been asked 100 years ago. YOU take exception because that's not the current belief since your idiotic "new light" isn't shining in the right direction that week. YOU then DF him because he won't swallow your crap, asks an honest question, disagrees with an illogical answer, or otherwise shows an IQ higher than that of the average WT GB person, with is about the same as a plant. You then say he walked down the path with his eyes open. Well, gee whiz, how else should he do it?? With his eyes closed, like you idiots walk?? Whatever happened to "make sure of all things"?? How can anyone do that?? You don't allow it!! Your bible should read: "make sure that you agree with US, the WT, in ALL THINGS, OR ELSE!!!!" How dare you DF anyone for questioning the manure you try to pass off as Bible truth, seeing that you change it every month?? If you had the same beliefs for 100 years, I'd have more respect for you, even if those beliefs were wrong. Another point: The only JW's with complete freedom of religion are the GB. They are free to disagree on policy, vote for or against changing certain understandings, and other things. The rank and file JW's are NOT. We don't have any freedoms at all. I as so goddamn tired of hearing you bash the Catholics for priests abusing children and their false doctrines. Then you turn around and end up having a higher rate of child abuse than they do! The Catholics even have a 1-800 hotline to call about abuse, something YOU idiots bragged about years ago in your attempts to show how widespread the abuse problem was. Where is your 800 number to call??? You don't even have email, you jerks!! Don't you know how?? I used to be a network engineer, call me and I'll set it up. But you'll need to buy a bigger building just to house the servers needed to hold all the emails you would get, you hypocrites!
Does the Catholic church excommunicate women for going on TV and discussing why they can't be priests? NO. Do other churches throw their members out and rip families apart like mine was because someone insists on believing the truth about 607/587?? NO. I warn you now, you will answer for what you did and are doing. Jesus said so. I've said this before and I'll say it again.
I lost my daughter and if she never speaks to me again, I'm going to take my revenge. My book will be the first step. If you sue me, I'll sue you right back, and I'll call every media person in this country and tell them the story. There have been reports of ex-JW's being threatened by WT goons. I live in Florida where we now can defend ourselves quite nicely. I will avail myself of that privilege if necessary.
As Mr. Shakita said, you are no doubt proud of yourselves. Why?? You have the highest rate of mental illness of any religion and the lowest rate of college graduates. I have a BA in Psychology and know the facts. Stupid and mentally ill is no way to go through life, but you think you are so important with you leather briefcases and your attempts to play "executives" on the weekends because during the week you push a broom. This month now marks THIRTY YEARS ago that you said Armageddon was coming. WELL?????????
You gloat over the supposedly coming deaths of six BILLION people. Are you proud of that?? That's one thousand times what Hitler did and look at how he is viewed by history. I suggest you get rid of that "goat gloat" that you have, trying to celebrate how many people will die so you have more property in the new system, as I've heard elders eagerly say. You might not have ANY property except the six foot deep hole that your miserable carcass is put in.
Now you think about all the families you have destroyed with your lies. You think about the people who suffered due to following your teachings that you swore were the words of Jehovah. Either God is drunk, dead, or you don't hear him very well. Which is it??
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MAJOR SHUNNING ARTICLE SPOKESMAN REVIEW WASHINGTON
by DannyHaszard inmonday thoughts
the spokesman review, wa - 45 minutes ago .
... before getting to the sports section, i read every word of virginia de leon's piece about disfellowshipped jehovah's witnesses cut off by faith, and i'm ...
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He did this to himself??? Is that what the elder said?? Oh, the children molested themselves too, right?? I don't believe in God anymore, but if I did, I'd pray that the building where they have the elders meetings would be hit by an earthquake. These men are worthless scum. I will bide my time until my book is finished. I'm going to name names, addresses, phone numbers, the works. We outnumber these animals one thousand to one, and we have, know, and use the Internet far better than they do. Those idiots don't even have email since they know they'd be bombarded every day. Can you picture Jesus cursing at someone who went to Caesar and reported a case of child abuse in the congregation and demanding he be expelled from the temple and all that this entailed? I don't think so. I don't want to be a JW when this hits the fan. I've seen the JW apologists on Silent Lambs. What a bunch of sickos. But we have to remember the kind of brain we are dealing with. JW's would have made excellent SS guards in Nazi Germany and then claim that they were just following orders or didn't know what was happening in the death camps. We all just need to keep emailing our friends, telling our neighbors, etc. Eventually, the word will get out. We have might and right on our side. Good luck and best wishes to all.
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Barb Anderson relates amazing info about Knorr, also Senior Bethel Writers
by Dogpatch in"is it possible that many of the organizational sexual policies began when (in the late 70s early 80s?
) some of the people at bethel and even some of the gb were found out to be visiting gay bars?
i did hear about some bethelites visiting gay bars or engaging in homosexual acts in the late 70s and early 80s and were asked to leave bethel.
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I'm still kind of new to these forums and boards. I post often on Silent Lambs. Randy and Bill know me reasonably well. My daughter was molested from the age of nine until 13 years old, when she finally had the courage to tell us. It destroyed the family as my wife left me after 3 years of my researching the WT and criticizing their policies. Her reason was I was an apostate. She said that she knew there were bad elders and Jehovah would remove them in his due time. She is a good woman, humble, and loving. But she is ignorant and stupid. There comes a point when you don't watch a house burning down with children in it and not call the fire department because, "If God didn't want these kids burned alive, he'd put out the fire himself." I can no longer tolerate, argue, reason, or understand the thinking of ANYONE who remains a JW, unless it's to be a mole and smuggle out info for we "apostates". If there is a god, and he approves of the WT, he is mentally ill and should be executed for moral negligence. I never subscribed to the theory that innocent people should suffer while Satan and Jehovah "duke it out" in this make-believe court of the universe to prove whose way is better. I never asked to be a pawn in this sick game. The WT violates 90% of the scriptures it claims to understand exclusively. You'll have to forgive the conceit, but I feel it's necessary to inform the WT apologists that they are out-gunned. I have a degree in Psychology, am a network engineer, play 30 musical instruments, started to write a symphony at 16 years old, taught myself two instruments on my own at concert level, studied all college sciences and math, and have a GPA of 99% from my BA degree. Now I know there are people here who have a higher IQ than mine (150), and have more education. I bless you for it and appreciate it. My point is that the WT hates education, yets attempts to dictate to the universe how we should all live. If their advice is so good, why do JW's have the lowest graduation rate from college of all religions? Why do they have the highest rate of mental illness of all religion? I'm sure we can all think of how "HAPPY" these fakers are when they get out of their cars and put on their plastic Halloween masks, smiling for 2 hours for the meeting, then going home and cursing their lives. I am writing a book about what happened to my child. She was called a liar and a whore by servants and pioneer sisters. I did not know this, since I stopped attending meetings the day she told us she had been molested. The abuser raped her the first time at 9 years old. His wife and the elders knew he was a pedophile and was visiting my home (he was remodeling some of the house while I was at work) yet they didn't tell us a thing. Any moral adult who could allow a child to be raped at least once a month for four years without warning the parents should be executed. I don't usually resort to violence due to the philosophical reasoning that we all just can't decide when the law has failed us. But the day my doctor tells me I have cancer and 3 months to live, my shotgun is going to see some action.
We must all continue to flood newsgroups with names and details. Email all your friends. We all know how quickly those fake emails circulate the globe about Microsoft paying you $400 for every email you send because they have to "test" the system. So why can't we all spread TRUE stories around the world? Call your local newspaper. Park outside a hall with a big sign in the window of your car or just stand and hold it: "CHILD MOLESTER INSIDE, CONGREGATION DOESN'T KNOW, STOP FOR DETAILS". Then have brochures from Silent Lambs ready to hand out. The public hates JW's enough as it is and is sick of being bothered at the door. It wouldn't take much to tip the scales by stirring things up locally. Even if the elders came out and told you to move your car from being parked in front of the hall, if you are in a legal spot, tell them to stick it. If the cops come, tell them the story. Call the newspaper and tell them. They love these kinds of things. We must use the WT's methods against them. So door to door works so well?? Then we can go door to door passing out anti-JW literature or Silent Lambs leaflets. Stand on the corner in town and do the same. Set up a table on college campuses and hand out literature. If we all worked together, the WT would be outlawed in 20 years. And even if they weren't, people would hate the JW's so much that if they got out of their cars to work a street, they'd be stoned in 30 seconds. These animals (I won't call them people) must be stopped. Even if the average JW is ignorant of what the WT is doing about child abuse and the other issues on the board, they still are the soldiers in the trenches. Wars aren't won by assassinating one or two generals, they are won by killing every soldier in the trenches. Then there are no longer any people left to fight. The GB is not going to hobble out on their canes going door to door. If they do, take their cane.
From what I learned in college about psychology, people need to be encouraged. I see that here. But maybe we can do more. When someone writes something or relates a story of suffering, write a post encouraging them. Make up emails with fake addresses on hotmail and send each other info and plan events and strategies. Buy and read the books that Randy has for sale. It keeps the web sites going and we all learn things. Well, that's my speech for today. I wish everyone good luck who is trying to live long enough to see the WT burn to the ground. You can email me at [email protected]. It's safe to do so. I don't care what the WT does, they can go to hell. They will burn there anyway, so the sooner they start, the better.
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How precisely will god save the JWs at armageddon?
by kid-A inhave you ever wondered, based upon the artists conception below, how it is jehovah will supposedly "save" the witnesses during his "great day of vengeance(tm)".
i mean, will he transport all 6 million of them into waiting cruise ships while he is throwing fireballs onto the earth?
how will all the dubs avoid falling into those giant crevasses as he starts the continental earthquakes?
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It is possible that he will create a "force field" or shield (like Star Trek) around each JW. But my question is why he can't just blink his eyes and wiggle his nose like "I Dream of Jeannie" and all the wicked are dead, vaporized, and it's all over? Why go to all this trouble of fireballs, earthquakes, and storms? After all, these things cost money. Just look at the two hurricanes and how long it will take to clean up after them and how much it will cost. Now consider the entire planet in that condition. Is it worth it? Why did he go to all that trouble with the Ark when the bad guys were back a few years later? If the WT's pictures come true, this earth is going to be one hell of a mess for decades to come, with earthquake fissures, holes in the ground, and 6 billion dead bodies laying around. And are any animals going to die because they belonged to any of the 6 billion wicked people? We don't want to miss anything that is tinged with wickedness. Perhaps my dog or cat might retain some of my "apostate" personality after I'm killed. It would be funny as hell if my cat scratched out the eyes of the first surviving JW who entered my house to "take it over" as so many of them are yearning to do. Or maybe I should start training my dog to bite the first JW who comes through the door. But an even bigger question arises, possibly on a tangent. What does it say for the quality and skill of the WT when they put their best effort (with Jehovah's micromanagement) into over one hundred years of witnessing and virtually no one on earth is saved except them? In other words, almost no converts out of 6 billion people who currently are NOT JW's? I consider this to be a very sad state of affairs when God's best attempt to save humanity ends in failure. What else can you call it when only one out of every one thousand people on this planet "see the light" and the other 999 people die eternally. Oh, I forgot, the light keeps changing. They probably didn't know where to look next. Or perhaps they were blinded by the light getting brighter. It's been doing that for so long that it's a wonder that the earth doesn't have the brightness of a million suns by now. My mistake. (Sarcasm intended.)
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Pictures of Paradise
by gringojj inmy wife made a comment today about all the pictures of paradise and how none of them ever show the inside of a house.
they are always the same pictures of people outside playing with lions and water in the background.
someone was talking in another post about how hard it is to make the simplest items.
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I may have missed this if someone already said it but I have 2 questions. First, who would want an elephant, lions, and other animals on their yard? Do you know how much straw they eat and how much waste they produce? Funny, I never see any manure piles in the WT's pictures of those little cute Hansel and Gretel houses. Secondly, why do animals die? I thought death was a result of sin. Animals can't sin, having no moral sense of right and wrong. So why do they get cancer, worms, infections, etc. My daughter finally talked me into letting her get a kitten when she was 10 years old, promising to care for it. (That lasted 2 days.) Her mother cleaned up after it and fed it from then on. But when that kitten grew up, he got sick. He weighed 35 pounds and needed some surgery to see if he had a liver tumor. We couldn't afford the $1,000 vet bill, so we had to have it put to sleep. My wife took my daughter and the cat to the vet and came home crying, both of them. Now, how is this "opening his hand and satisfying the desire of every living thing"? I know some dog owners who would love to have their pets for eternity. I asked an elder once and he gave the typical "Jehovah will take care of it". Total BS. If you saw the look on my child's face when that poor cat was gone, you would have cried. We got her a few more kittens since, but she still misses her first kitten. What's God going to do, erase her memory of that kitten after Armageddon? Resurrect the cat? And the WT still hasn't satisfied me as to why animals die. Some people really carry on about their pets when they die. Some even see therapists. I don't get it. Does anyone have any ideas about this? Thanks.
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After my un-DF'ing, I have sent a letter to everyone in my hall.
by kwintestal inin the final installment of my story, i am done with my local congregation now.
in the past month, i have been df'd, un-df'd attended a meeting where i shook everyones hand and smiled ... and now i have sent everyone in the hall this letter, roughly 60 addresses:.
open letter to the north congregation of jehovahs witnesses.
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To Kwin: You know what your problem was? You sent a letter that actually made sense, was written by an intelligent person, and contained valid points. You see, the WT isn't used to seeing that kind of correspondence or articles. At least, certainly not from THEIR desks. So when your letter appeared in front of them, they couldn't recognize it. There was no "new light", it made sense, it was reasonable, and it told the truth. It also asked them to do something that would require that someone there have an IQ of over 60. Right there, you eliminated everyone except 3 people, who probably are assigned as maids or truck drivers. So you see, there isn't any chance that much will come of it. You also assumed that the WT was a Bible-based organization. But they are a child-raping CULT from Hell, so they couldn't comprehend the morality of what you were saying. At least you wrote it in English, which probably produced a scramble for dictionaries and extra pots of coffee to be made. If you wanted them to understand the letter, it should be written in crayon, using no words larger than one syllable and/or five letters, and it should have been signed by Jehovah God himself. But only after Jehovah got the okay to approve the letter from the GB, including Teddy-boy's signature. I'm sorry for all the hard work you put into it. Being in the field of psychology, I agree that elders are untrained baboons who shouldn't be allowed near an abuse victim. But, hey, you tried. "On 9/11, the planes hit the wrong buildings."
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October 22 Awake! Young People Ask article about chat rooms and apostates
by truthseeker inthe following article found in the october 22 awake magazine is about witness youths and chat rooms.
only the main paragraphs are given.
pg 17
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If you shoot one of the GB, I bet you'd make the list.
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October 22 Awake! Young People Ask article about chat rooms and apostates
by truthseeker inthe following article found in the october 22 awake magazine is about witness youths and chat rooms.
only the main paragraphs are given.
pg 17
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Yes, Smiles, they are doing it to themselves. This is both funny and frightening, because their members STILL fall for this BS and remain as members. I can't recall where I heard this, but someone said there was an assembly where the "brother" giving the talk said that if an angel appeared on stage next to him, RIGHT THERE, and started to say things that weren't in harmony with their beliefs, that he should be ignored as a demon, or something to that effect. YEAH, RIGHT!! After 90% of the JW's there got done changing their underwear after seeing a real angel, I doubt that the speaker would be listened to and the angel ignored. But quoting good old Gal. 1:8 works every time. It kills the Mormon argument and it would kill off any angel as well. I guess it's a good thing that God doesn't use them anymore, huh? How do you think Jehovah would feel if every angel he sent to Bethel had to be "screened" to see if he was an apostate before being listened to? Wait a minute. I know how it works now. The GB and the work is guided by angels, right? Maybe if the angel is carrying a FedEx envelope with a special seal on it, THEN the GB would open it and print the "new light". What do you think? It is really odd that the WT is now so scared, they are suing people for spreading the same information that they almost had to PAY publishers to spread years ago. Yet at the time, it was "priceless new light and food at the proper time". I don't know when it's ever the proper time to print lies and BS, by I'm sure there is a time. There must be, for the "GREAT AND POWERFUL, WIZARD OF NYC, UH, I MEAN OZ, HAS SPOKEN". You still there, Teddy? One last thought: The loyal and faithful JW's will demonize the website but I wonder how they'll feel when they realize that the enemy is their OWN LITERATURE?? That should be funny. The part we should be thankful for is that the JW's don't vote. But they do drive, and what's worst of all, THEY REPRODUCE!! We should be thankful that there aren't that many of them.