Maybe they are now starting to count dead publishers. After all, didn't "Rye"therford say that Russell was directing the work from heaven after he died? I think the Mormons marry or baptize dead people, so why not the WT? Nothing they ever do will surprise me again.
mcsemike
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July KM for USA: Get ready, here come the ex-Bethelites!
by sir82 intext of article on page 3 of the usa kingdom ministry for july:.
title: they have set an example of faithfulness.
the year 1937 witnessed the beginning of a new avenue of full-time service--the special pioneer activitiy.
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WATCHTOWER LAWSUIT UPDATE
by SHUNNED FATHER ini have been in court three times in the past three weeks and will be in court this tuesday and next week as well.
so far i have collected $4200.
twenty three (23) persons have sent donations from this forum.
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mcsemike
My donation is on its way to you. You are correct in that the more people AT ONE TIME who attack the WT, the greater the damage. In NYC, they CANNOT ignore this kind of attention. I lived near the city for 50 years. People already hate the WT for DUMBO and many other things. They are aware of the abuse scandal. By the way, Silent Lambs is up and running again. They also need money and even $5 will help Bill Bowen to keep the site running. I've volunteered my computer services and some money as well. This sick, child-raping cult MUST be destroyed ASAP. Every week that goes by, more children are molested. We can't shoot them in the streets, but we can sure as hell shoot them verbally.
It might be possible to distribute fliers for Shunned's crusade. People could also go door to door. So many people are sick of JW's knocking on their doors to sell the literature that it would surprise them so much to see that there is an active group people following in their wake to collect the literature back (sound familiar?) and to offer to burn it for the householder, who in most cases, didn't want it anyway. The public could also be warned about the abuse policy. I can't see the public being annoyed at such a warning. We could also offer to tell them that JW visits could stop if they only tell the publishers to remove them from the territory card. I know most of the public doesn't know this is possible.
I wish you the best, Shunned, and hope that you win. My family was also lost to me and I realize that the only way to find closure is to warn others and help to destroy the WT once and for all. They cannot possibly survive ten solid years of constant lawsuits. They are not THAT rich or clever. We outnumber them 1,000 to one. They have a superb organization. We don't at this time. But we are smarter than they are and they do NOT have any god on their side. I would welcome any opportunity to fight these perverts any way I can.
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WALKING THE WATCHTOWER TIGHTROPE
by Terry inever go to a circus and watch the tightrope walkers go from one end of the stretched line to the other balancing precariously along the way?.
it is only compelling to watch because one good slip could plunge the hapless performer to their doom!
the balancing act, then; becomes a question of getting from point a to point b without dying!
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Good points, Terry. It is so sad that people who condemn the world for thinking a certain way, actually do it themselves far worse. I don't know if it's hypocrisy, because that entails knowing that you are doing it. I don't think that many of the rank and file really see how blind they are. It's the typical straw/rafter situation, but with the wrong people thinking they have the straw and/or the rafter. But the leaders at Bethel have to realize something. I hold them more responsible than the dubs. But as I said before, they ALL scream at the world, "Get out of her, my people.....". So they all bear the guilt.
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WHEN YOUR CHILD JOINS A CULT (Mk. 10:29)
by DannyHaszard inwhen your child joins a cult
the tide - port harcourt,niger delta,nigeria
... what happens is that cults divide a family that was once.
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Hondo: I'm sorry for your situation. The same thing happened to me. Well, somewhat. My wife was baptized in 1975 and I was in 1977. So I knew what I was getting involved with. After learning how the WT handles child abuse cases (my daughter was molested and they tried to cover it up), I researched all the web sites. I told her what I found and that I was quitting. She moved out soon after. This December would have been 29 years of marriage. I've seen my daughter once in 3 years. You have my sympathy. My only consolation is that I truly believe I'll live long enough to see the WT badly hurt or even destroyed. I wouldn't care how it was done, legally or otherwise. Individual JW's might be nice people, but so were rank and file Germans in WW2. But without them, Hitler would have been a nobody. So the dubs share in the blame, just as they say about us "get out of her my people if you do not want to share in her plagues". Fair is fair.
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COMMITMENT of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES
by DannyHaszard ini couldn't have done better myself-danny haszard
the commitment of jehovahs witnesses
witness: you mean to tell me that this is how they have people like you telling people in the cayman islands that jesus was never a christian?.
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Re: commitment -- excellent points. I never thought about Jesus being a Christian or not. Look forward to more.
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UPDATE! 'Local Needs' Part on Apostates!
by drew sagan ini'm not kidding.
it has been less than two weeks since i discussed with an elder some of the problems i had about the wts.
one discussion.
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To 68storm: Since 1984 was mentioned, and I love this book, I thought I would quote one paragraph. A man (named Winston) who doubted the "Party's" (read WT) beliefs, had been caught and was undergoing some sort of deprogramming. A senior Party member was explaining to him why he, the rebel who asked questions, was wrong. He said:
"You are here because you have failed in humility, in self-discipline. You would not make the act of submission which is the price of sanity. You preferred to be a lunatic, a minority of one. Only the disciplined mind can see reality, Winston. You believe that reality is something objective, external, existing in its own right. You also believe that the nature of reality is self-evident. When you delude yourself into thinking that you see something, you assume that everyone else sees the same thing as you. But I tell you, Winston, that reality is not external. Reality exists in the human mind, and nowhere else. Not in the individual mind, which can make mistakes, and in any case soon perishes: only in the mind of the Party, which is collective and immortal. Whatever the Party holds to be the truth, is truth. It is impossible to see reality without looking through the eyes of the Party. That is the fact that you have got to relearn, Winston. It needs an act of self-destruction, an effort of the will. You must humble yourself before you can become sane."
I think that says it all. Thank you. (Cut and paste wouldn't work. Can someone tell me what I did wrong? Many thanks.)
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UPDATE! 'Local Needs' Part on Apostates!
by drew sagan ini'm not kidding.
it has been less than two weeks since i discussed with an elder some of the problems i had about the wts.
one discussion.
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Forsher: Good point. You would think they'd welcome all the questions in the world. It would give them more chances to reply with their cult beliefs. Kind of putting more JW "karma" into the air, somehow to land and plant a seed. (Oh, sorry, seeds need fertilizer, there's always their manure.....).
Anyway, many good points made on this post. How can anyone fear questions if he thinks he has the truth?? I can't help thinking of the expression, "My mind is already made up, don't confuse me with the facts." Truly a sorry, sick, and ignorant group of people.
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Saturday District Convention notes: Don't research JW's online!!!!
by truthseeker inwith two thirds of my sentence complete, i am almost ready for parole.. there was some unbelievable stuff said today - i think there must be some sort of hallucinogenic gas coming through the ac, because no one batted an eyelid over what was said from the platform.. as usual, i will highlight the main talks.. .
saturday.
"deliver us from the wicked one and from every sort of lawlessness" - matt 6:13, titus 2:14. .
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To Blondie: I loved the seals, but I think you insulted them. Aren't they smarter than JW's??
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Convention Report - Deliverance At Hand?
by daniel-p inso i just got back from the convention - yes, feel pity on me... i had to attend all three days, spend money on a crappy hotel, sleep in a crappy town, sit on my ass for 8 hours a day, and all just to hear about the same old crap you can read in any watchtower.
i didn't take notes because not only would my head have exploded from the sheer boredom and stupidity, but i would be responsible for all your heads exploding as well.
are there any highlights?
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Rebel8, I loved the convention program. Very good work. Someone should dress like a JW and stand outside a convention and hand them out to the dubs as they walk in. Should be a great laugh for awhile until some elder runs out and stops it. LOL.
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*** WORLD CONSPIRACY AGAINST THE TRUTH ***
by Elsewhere inif what jehover's witnesses teach is true then there must be some sort of massive world wide conspiracy of religious leaders from all faiths and religions directed against the watchtower society.
there must literally be some sort of body of religious leaders who meet on a regular basis and say: "yes, we know the watchtower society has the truth, but it is up to us to lie to and deceive the six billion people on the earth into believing what *we* teach.".
one of my favorite ways of cornering a jehover's witness is by asking him point blank if he really, seriously, believes this.
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mcsemike
I'm not sure how many "Bible Students" there were in 1914, but I think it was less than 10,000. I once discussed with an elder if he thought that dozens of nations sat down in early 1914 and said, "We object to the large number and influence of these Bible Students. Let's do something about them, okay?" The nations then went to war with EACH OTHER, not the Bible Students, threw millions of men into the trenches to die, suffered millions more dead elsewhere, destroyed most of Europe, all just to keep Jesus from taking kingdom power!!
I don't know exactly what the elder said, but he had a dumb look on his face, and of course, no answer. When I read the WT's version of this scenario, it does tend to look a little ridiculous. I mean, do they honestly believe that the world leaders acted like I've just described? Just because a few thousand "oddballs" were disagreeing with the mainstream churches?? I don't think so.
As Terry has mentioned before, there is a certain psychological thread that runs through the WT and JW's that indicates that many, if not most, of them need several years of therapy. Delusional, persecution complex, "us against the world", and "we are so important that the nations are willing to spend billions of dollars, millions of lives, and destroy entire countries to oppose us" are just a few. I cannot conceive how any thinking JW today can accept this explanation. Thank you.