Posts by mcsemike

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Scholarly support for 607bce ?

by wobble in

i mentioned to a bro.

who is supposed to be answering some of my "concerns" with wt teaching that all the non-witness refs.i have seen to the fall of jerusalem place it twenty years later at 587-586 bce.. he maintains that some scholars support 607. does anyone know of a reliable scholar ,who is a recognised expert in this period,who does support 607 ?.

i am well aware that it makes no difference,as the bible nowhere gives us 2520 years,but i am fed up with his assertions and would like to blow this one out of the water so i can ask him to please check his facts.. only help if you really have time ,it's not life or death.. many thanks.

mcsemike

To Jeremy C:

Very well said. We should look at the whole picture, the "big picture". How many times has the WTS, when losing a point, said, "Remember where you learned the truth." As if the fact that they THINK they were first in saying there is no burning Hell is supposed to make everything else okay.

First of all, other religions were teaching all the things Russell "invented". He was a fake and a liar.

I'd also throw at them the verse about "debating over words". But if words are all we have to reason with and use to communicate, then ALL discussion in the world will be "debating over words" if some people disagree with others.

The overall picture is that WT's failed predictions, mind control, and sexual perversions. Out of 1,000 things they have said, maybe 3 or 4 have been correct and have been their own unique claim. So what?? How about the 996 things that they've stolen from others and claimed as their own along with their own unique teachings, which they admit are unique? What is their percentage of accuracy??

I'd tell every JW that he had to step out of the box and look at the WTS and himself with a critical eye. And this includes the fact that many don't even believe in God, much less any Bible.

Oh, and "scholarly" means that "school" was involved. Using that word to convey the idea that the WTS is correct is no more valid than Captain Kangaroo saying something and demanding that he was correct. I'm sure he and Farmer Green Jeans went to school, did they not??

WTS=idiots+liarsx(morons-pedophiles) divided by mentally ill minus lack of therapy and medications

Mathematically, a perfect equation. I love it when there are no loose ends.

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When Debating With Witnesses- Is Arguing Doctrine Beneficial ? Steve Hassan

by flipper in

jw
friends

my wife and i have been reading " releasing the bonds " by steve hassan and it makes some interesting points about assisting people to get out of any cult.

notice this excerpt from chapter 6 from the book.

hassan states, " it is also important to understand that in most bible -based cults, although the member is aggressively taught doctrine, it is not the doctrine that holds him in the group.

mcsemike

Hi Flipper: You are right. I have that book, it was given to me as a gift from someone who posts here regularly.

I had one course on this in college for the psych degree. It was appropriately called "Abnormal Psychology". Being a JW is all about psych issues. The doctrine deal is a joke. Eternal life couldn't hinge on what lumber yard they got the cross/stake from for Jesus. Like that's important.

And the burning hell and immortal soul issues were being taught in MANY other churches before Russell was born.

In talking to a JW, you can't attack the doctrine. Then they fight like a cornered lion. You can shoot them dead with the real true doctrines but since they don't play by the rules, they won't lie down and "be dead". They say "you missed me" or "I am rubber, you are glue......etc." Very childish but true.

Find out WHY they joined and that's half the battle. My best to all.

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Now the WT Society is Telling Witnesses- Don't Worry too Much About Health

by flipper in

jw
friends

in the nov.15th watchtower that a lurking witness friend i have on the board sent me , it really guilts the witnesses into not worrying about their health but pushes them to do more, more, more.

it has a disgusting picture of perfect martyrdom of a sister in a wheelchair witnessing to a lady at her door with the caption, " despite health problems , jehovah's people find joy in the ministry.

a few twisted points i wanted to share to show you how mind controlled the witnesses are in even controlling it's members view of showing concern for their health !

mcsemike

Hi Flipper:

Some very good points. Those cancer patients could do even more if they skipped the once a weekly radiation or chemo treatments and donated their extra time, the gas money they saved, and anything else left over to the WT. If they die earlier than they would have, or worse yet, if they die period when they would not have died if they had proper treatment, then they have the resurrection, right?? What could be better than living forever next to Ted Jaracz and his family??

Oh, what joy!!!

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JWs and Alternative Medicine.

by easyreader1970 in

jw
friends

two anti-doctor witnesses i am very familiar with are my mother-in-law and my used-to-be best friend's aunt.

by alternative medicine i mean holistic healing, herbal treatments, etc.

these people don't go to regular doctors but go to self-proclaimed specialists (i call them shamans) who tell them what foods and plants to eat that will make them all better.

mcsemike

The central New Jersey area had dozens of congregations that had JW's going to some people who read eyes by looking at the irises and seeing spots, blemishes, whatever. Some of the things they claimed people had were outrageous, almost as bad as that "ebola" machine or whatever it was called back in Russell's day.

I don't know what it is about JW's that makes them fall for all this crap. The guy who read eyes did it in a back office of his vitamin store. Of course after each "exam" he suggested the victim buy dozens of bottles of expensive vitamins.

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The Sheer Boring Monotony Of Being A Jehovah's Witness

by minimus in

jw
friends

what a terrible way of wasting valuable time.

going to meetings is the biggest scam.

you get nothing more from going than you would if you read a publication in the comfort of your home.

mcsemike

The summer conventions were an absolute agony, especially the ones at Yankee Stadium, in Philly, or Giants Stadium. Outside, in the heat, etc. I always served as an attendant captain or worked security just so the day would go faster and I'd have a reason to walk around, often not being able to hear the talks, and talk to people. My ex-wife (still a loyal Witless) is a nurse and worked first aid until our daughter was born. Then she had to sit in the stands or hang out in the walk around areas if our child cried or fussed. Looking back, it was almost child abuse to bring a child to a convention in the heat and have them try to behave for hours like that. What insanity!! I still can't believe I wasted my life, and my child's life, and our time, being involved in that total crap.

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Farting at the Kingdom Hall.

by avishai in

jw
friends

once, when i was nine, i farted so loud, from the back row, that the guy giving the prayer started laughing and had to try really hard not to totally lose it.. any other stories?

mcsemike

I didn't have time to read all the comments, so if someone already said this, so be it.

I just realized that someone passing gas is making the most intelligent sound that will EVER be heard in a Kingdom Hall. That doesn't say very much for the WT, does it?

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What is the financial cost to be one of Jehovah's Witnesses?

by Thechickennest in

has anyone ever figured out what the cost is to be an average active jw?

i am thinking of the jw costume of clothes for the whole family & drycleaning.

the four door sedans, the fuel, repairs, and auto cleaning up costs after running a shuttle service at least serveral times a week.

mcsemike

With the people I know it's been the things mentioned. It also was very expensive in the cost of lost wages, therapy, ruined health and MD and RX bills. Lost chance to get a job with a pension, so old age will be a disaster.

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"Talking about abuse can help stop it" news article--PDF!

by Atlantis in

"talking about abuse can help stop it"--news article--pdf!

(credit goes to barbara anderson) a download link is listed below to download this news article in pdf!

the pdf looks much better than these scans with no cut-off edges.

mcsemike

Thank you, Barbara. Your hard work will be forever appreciated.

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Hate! Hate! Hate!

by Number1Anarchist in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swyp2umbuuo.

mcsemike

I don't have the article handy, but in the 1950's, in the WT, they published an article about how wicked all of us are, as well as breathing fire and death to the world. They were actually bemoaning the fact that they didn't have the right to kill all non-believers right then on the spot.

How they thought they were going to do this I don't know. They don't have guns, we do. They're outnumbered over 1,000 to one. It's well worth reading that article.

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Does anyone have a working link for Preparing for Child custody

by wherehasmyhairgone in

i am about 3 months away from going to court with my 'x' over our children, and i would like to know what this booklet says.. .

i have tried the links by searching the site but all are dead.

thanks in advance.

mcsemike

I don't know your situation but I wanted to warn you. That booklet is the biggest package of bullshit I've ever seen. If you think "theocratic warfare" is lying and is a hypocritical practice, wait until you read that booklet. With a little imagination, as you listen to the JW parent and/or their lawyer (and you better have a damn good lawyer, esp. if the JW is the mother), you would swear that all JW kids are in the marching band, chess club (chess was once frowned on by the WT), after school sports, and away football games every Saturday. You'd also think they loved the holidays so much that you better get the kid a present for Christmas.

I cannot fathom how any JW can defend the sewage found in that booklet. It's one of the biggest crocks that they ever published.