Posts by ThinkerBelle

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JW vs. Mormon with regards to homosexuality

by Downtowner in

i find it ironic that jw.org publishes an article about homosexuality on the day i received july 2020 issue if the church of jesus christ of latter-day saints magazine "ensign" which also has an article on same-sex attraction.

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regardless, the lds article comes across as more caring than the jw article although in the end members in good standing cannot act upon their same-sex attraction in either religion..

ThinkerBelle

Not too surprising since June is LGBTQ+ awareness month.

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Leaked WT Elder Training Video

by Vanderhoven7 in

https://youtu.be/2nacvosx8n0.

good to see the caring brothers help establish depth of guilt..

ThinkerBelle

Ugh, couldn't even watch the whole thing...too familiar for me, except I was the girl. I vividly remember being told to have nothing to do with the guy if I wanted to come back and be happy. I was like...but he's the father, he has rights. Jokes on them though as I've been married to him for 16 years and finally woke up. So glad my kids won't have to ever be treated this way.

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Huge JW storyline (blood) on Chicago Med (US TV Show)

by tresdecu in

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friends

anyone else watch chicago med last night??

one of the writers had a bone to pick...made the dubs look like a cult.

(not hard to do, i know) very realistic, and they got all the lingo right.

ThinkerBelle

Will is the red headed doctor.

This is the 2nd time they've done a JW storyline so someone in the writing department is familiar with the JW practices.

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Did you EVER falsify your report card ?

by Chook in

every single watchtower soldier lied to god out of fear of the brooklyn popes..

ThinkerBelle

PIMO here, but still "reporting". Haven't stepped foot on a doorstep in at least 2 years.

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07 21 2019 Blondie's First Thoughts (Study WT May 2019 pages 14-19) COMFORT FOR ABUSE VICTIMS?

by blondie in

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friends

blondie’s first thoughts review 7-21-2019 wt study (may 2019, pages 14-19 (comfort abuse victims!?).

https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/watchtower-study-may-2019/comfort-victims-of-abuse/.

excellent general website: www.jwfacts.com .

ThinkerBelle

What amazed me with this article is how out of touch most of the witnesses are. A lot of comments about how wonderful Jah ("the org") is for providing the information and staying ahead of the world in these matters. This being a worldly issue we see in so many other churches (i had to cover a chuckle at that one). They are so clueless!!

I think my favorite is still the week before when they called themselves "spiritual physicians"...

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Kids being disfellowshipped

by Nikki collins in

so some ex-jws and i were at dinner last night talking about how some of the ones baptized this year were so young.

a few under the age of 10!!

can you imagine if a kid got dfd at that age.... would the congregation shun them?

ThinkerBelle

Hmm, interesting. Maybe it was a regional thing.

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Kids being disfellowshipped

by Nikki collins in

so some ex-jws and i were at dinner last night talking about how some of the ones baptized this year were so young.

a few under the age of 10!!

can you imagine if a kid got dfd at that age.... would the congregation shun them?

ThinkerBelle

Does anyone know when they started allowing children to be baptized? I know my mother said you had to be 18 in the 60s/70s. When was that lifted?

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Why do CO's refuse to strip Elders of their position?

by Tenacious in

in several congregations i attended many elders were downright evil and flat out drunk with power.. many times i personally knew of things done by them that would have been a disfellowshipping offense had they not been elders.

and even though many times these issues and spiritual atrocities were reported to the co's and hq they would many times (if not all the time), get off with a mere slap on the wrist or a forced apology.. why do you believe elders are so protected?.

my theory is the authority integrity within the congregation.

ThinkerBelle

I do agree that there are elders that are definitely in it for the power and control and I have seen my fair share of incidences that were looked over or swept under the carpet through the years - especially as an elders kid. However, I have seen the contrary. In a neighboring town, a whole congregation body was removed sans one by the CO because they were dealing harshly and emotionally with the cong. These were the elders we saw on the assembly programs always and finally a no BS CO came through and said no more. They brought in other elders from the surrounding area. I have also seen removals as well of individual elders. So, I think it just depends on the area ("we" have major growth right now) and the men coming through.

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Do You Have A Negative Outlook Because You Were Once A JW?

by minimus in

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friends

it could be argued that exjws have issues in life simply because they were jehovah’s witnesses at a point in their lives.

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do you think you or we are fairly normal considering we were jehovah’s witnesses or do you think we have a lot of baggage because we are a bit messed up ( even if we don’t even know it)?.

ThinkerBelle

Short answer - No, but I've never been a negative person.

IMO, I see more negativity in the JWs than anyone in my worldly life, especially from parents. I do get those pangs of guilt of having stayed with the religion so long when celebrating with my kids as Baihi mentioned. My eldest kids were partially raised in it for several years and I regret not having those memories with them as young kids as well as not celebrating with family that are not JW (several members being gone now). I also look back on sone relationships and how I would have treated then differently haf I known what I know now, but Ce la vie. I live in the now and make the most of everything so there is no room for negative thinking.

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Those that need to see a Therapist / and those that don`t is there a correlation of the two ?

by smiddy3 in

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friends

there have been a number of threads / posts here over the years about ex jw`s needing to see therapists for what they are going through , and i can appreciate that.. obviously there are many ex jw`s on here that haven`t ever felt the need to see a therapist ,and i`m just wondering why not ?.

why does one feel the need and another does not ?.

is it to do with born ins as against those who were converts ?

ThinkerBelle

I think there are a lot of emotional and environmental factors that would contribute to whether someone would see a therapist or can work it out on their own.

For me personally, I was a born-in, elders kid. I could recite the dogma mostly and defend it if needed, but I never "took it to heart". As I woke, I didn't have the emotions or withdrawal that many do experience; I just started living for me instead of the organization. My best friend who faded had a much harder time and did talk to a counselor; there was a stronger emotional attachment to the org than I ever had. Technically, I'm still PIMO for family (SO is not one though) until I can fade out. I consider myself a diest at this point.

The hardest part for me was not feeling guilt during holidays/birthdays. It's not the guilt associated with the celebration, but that being PIMO means I have to be careful, so I would avoid certain things with my kids that were more public or always scanning a store before buying supplies/decor. I think that will fade with time, so no therapist needed.