Chariklo

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  UK Xmas meal Portsmouth

  by cantleave in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the portsmouth / southampton xmas meal has been booked.

  1st december at the hungry horse, the farmhouse portsmouth burrfields road, portsmouth po3 5hh (same as last year).

  arrive anytime after midday.

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  Chariklo

  I would be there if it wasn't so far...just too far, even from my daughter's, sadly
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  Since the wt is discredited, what is the pillar and support of truth now?

  by prologos in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  since the wt with its doctrines past and present is discredited, is there an entity that can be shown to be the latter- day "-----pillar and support of truth---" paul was writing about at i tim 3:15.?

  have the believers or non-theists or exjws an equivalent at all ?

  because humans like to huddle around the fire for the radiant heat.

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  Chariklo

  Everything is just as it always was, since the Watchtower was never the source of truth even before you realised it was discredited.
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  JAN 2013 SHUNNING ARTICLE COULD MEAN JWS NOT AS OBEDIENT

  by steve2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in a separate thread, there's been intense discussion about how the gb is still seeking to tighten its grip on the rank and file.

  the latest evidence is the january 2013 watchtower which rolls out hugely predictable statements about not doing anything to upset one's (jw) family by, for example, being in email contact with a disfellowshipped witness.

  it's hard to stifle the yawns.

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  Chariklo

  I know two families where shunning happens. The results are so sad.
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  Meet a friend of mine: G.K.Chesterton

  by Terry in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i love the mind of g.k.chesterton!.

  he has a wonderful way of looking at things and then getting you to see them by saying something simple.. chesterton was a very creative man who was able to take on every subject with wit and turn things inside out.. as wiki describes him:.

  he wrote on philosophy, ontology, poetry, plays, journalism, public lectures and debates, literary and art criticism, biography, christian apologetics, and fiction, including fantasy and detective fiction.. .

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  Malcolm Muggeridge wrote "Something Beautiful for God" about Mother Teresa. It was one of the first books I bought as a teenager, and significant in forming my thinking. A very lovely book.
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  Dec.21st and the countdown to the Mayan Apocalypse

  by designs in

  1. social
  2. current

  december 21 marks the winter solstice and the end of a cycle called the 13th b'ak'tun.. 1.will we see a few who want to join the celestial parade ala those who wanted to hop on a comet a few years ago.. 2.should koolaid and vodka be banned dec. 20th.. 3.will the wt.

  come out with an article making fun of those who 'falsely predict the end of the world' .

  i'll take bets on #3.

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  Chariklo

  Come December 22nd, we'll know all there was to know about December 21st
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  Believers, do you believe in evolution?

  by everchangingworld in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  after leaving, i still couldn't wrap my head around evolution (after the years of seing "intelligent design" in everything around me).. there's a series of videos that give a good intro to evolution and critical thinking.

  they've probably been posted here before, but, for any new members, these are worth watching.. evolution: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdddbyilel0.

  critical thinking: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6olpl5p0fmg.

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  Chariklo

  Yes, I believe in evolution as a process. I suspect that it isn't yet the whole story, because scientists, as most of them would admit, do not know everything.

  Like PSacramento, I do not believe that it is a r and pm process without purpose. I think it is part of the whole that comprises Earth, and I also believe in the Creation, though not exactly when and how, and not in any way that excludes evolution or any other scientific process yet to be discovered. I do believe that od is behind everything, in what form we do not know, because I do not believe the Watchtower teaching that we can know God.
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  Just a quick update

  by MsGrowingGirl20 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have been inactice now for about 4 months.

  i keep getting visit from elders and well meaning ministerial servants.

  i went back to two meetings about two weeks ago.

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  Chariklo

  Ms Growing Girl,

  The key thing that you wrote there was "I want to be safe in." It immediately reminded me of an elderly sister I know (and love dearly) who used to say to me when I expressed my growing doubts to her how glad she was to be "safe under Jehovah's umbrella."

  What makes you think you would be unsafe outside the organisation? What makes you think that God (in whom both you and I believe) does not want you to think for yourself?

  What, in all that Jesus, God's Son, told his disciples in the New Testament, makes you feel that the truth lies only within the Watchtower, living in total obedience to a group of men in the USA? What makes you fell that it would be unsafe to read the Bible for yourself, in a translation other than that provided by the Watchtower (for that is what they teach.)

  This organisation is a cult. You are not a "weak sister". You are an intelligent person in your own right, possessing God-given freedom to live and think for yourself. No organisation that seeks to keep its members in subservience, and demands strict obedience, calling itself, manipulatively, "the Truth" but lying to its members over what the Bible is teaching and about so very much more (which you know from all the information on this site) has anything in reality to do with God.

  A final thought: the God of the Old Testament is shown in some cases as a vengeful, angry God seeking to punish and exacting retribution if people don't do certain things, but Jesus Christ showed mankind that this is not the way God works. He taught us of his Father in Heaven who is loving and kind, who cares for each of us, just as he does for the sparrow that falls from the sky. He showed us a God of Love.

  The Watchtower is truly not telling the truth or treating its members kindly or justly. I am worried about you, Ms Growing Girl. I wonder what happened to make you go back. You are far safer out of it than in.
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  Looking After Widows and Orphans... and Spending One's "Riches"

  by AGuest in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  to the household of god, israel, and those who go with... may you all have peace!.

  from time to time the issue of how to fulfill the "form of worship that is acceptable to god," mentioned by james in his letter, namely, looking after widows and orphans "in their tribulation"... comes up.

  given the issue of tithing, the plethora of institutionalized charity choices, and the existence of ones in need, perhaps in our own households and families... but certainly in our towns, countries... and around the world... how does one fulfill this requirement?

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  Chariklo

  AnneB, that's a very nice post.

  Yes, I too find Shelby's posts make me think, and also that by reading with an open and receptive mind...not unquestioningly by any means...I gain fresh understanding which I also willingly share or rather, offer, in case it's useful to anyone else. Shelby's posts are good. Generous and not in the least seeking obedience or acceptance, as some have stated. I'm very glad you find them valuable at least in part, maybe, too.

  Band, Shelby is no authority, false or otherwise, and nor does she claim to be. No need to worry, she is no WT by another name, nor yet a cult, dangerous or otherwise.

  All is well!
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  Is Your Life In Ruins Because You Were A Jehovah's Witness?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  are you moving on?.

  i see some have a very hard time in life because of their witness past..

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  Chariklo

  I don't think many people can come out of the thing unscathed. Even I, in for so short a time, came out with raw wounds, still in the process of healing.

  But with life intact. Not in ruins, though definitely harmed.
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  What strand of Christianity gave birth to WTBTS?

  by Band on the Run in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i know about johnathan edwards and william miller being some of the forerunners of the wtbts.

  how about much earlier in time?

  was there a group during the middle ages or even earlier that preached something similar to the wt doctrine?

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  Chariklo

  Was Russell into Enochian magic, Stonecutters? Wow, big stuff!

  Are you absolutely certain?

  As to channelling, it is common parlance among New Age practitioners of all kinds, Reiki healers, psychics, and many many more. It is not confined to Theosophy nor its offshoots.