my jw friend says she experienced demons act on their own behalf even before she became a jw.
she supposedly used to be an atheist, but her experience with demons led her to believe in the "spiritual realm" before she ever encountered jw's.
she says her ex-boyfriend & his friend used to do the ouija board & as a result have a demon following them around.
She sees the JW's as the cure.
From my perspective, JW's seem to be obsessed with demons. Whatever goes wrong, they say knowingly, "you know who's behind it", "it's Satan", "Satan wants you not to go to meetings" etc etc. I get it all the time.
I even know a couple who buy things second hand and sell them off on ebay, but say that sometimes they bring something into the house and get a bad feeling because it's demonic. So they throw it out.
I mean, really?!
my jw friend says she experienced demons act on their own behalf even before she became a jw.
she supposedly used to be an atheist, but her experience with demons led her to believe in the "spiritual realm" before she ever encountered jw's.
she says her ex-boyfriend & his friend used to do the ouija board & as a result have a demon following them around.
She says her ex-boyfriend & his friend used to do the ouija board & as a result have a demon following them around. We are going to have a phone conversation about it next week, and I am trying to think of what to ask or say to her. I think this demon stuff is one thing that ties her to the JW's. I think her prior experience has merged with the JW ideas, and she sees the world through that lense. I am skeptical about this sort of thing, and am wondering what would be a reasonable and not insulting thing to say to someone who bases a good portion of this belief in demons on personal experience.
I think the most useful thing to say to her would be to focus on what is good and ordinary and not to keep thinking about demons. Just don't think about it. Just don't give the subject any time.
That would be by far the most healthy and least risky option. Going down any road of healing from demons or, heaven forbid, exorcism or praying in the spirit or feeling that one has brought it on oneself through any sinful behaviour is not healthy and is the sort of thing that might lead a mentally vulnerable person to become seriously unwell.
Just my two cents worth.
wikipedia has an article on rudeness.. rudeness (also called impudence or effrontery) is a display of disrespectfulness by not complying with the social "laws" or etiquette of a group or culture.
these laws have been established as the essential boundaries of normally accepted behavior.
i have noticed a high level of rudeness in this forum ... i was wondering the why.. what do others consider "rude" behaviour wrt this forum?do others have any thoughts about the obvious rude behaviour?do others have any thoughts if the aggressively rude posters have this personality as a by-product of watchtower indoctrination?if no, what could be causing this aggresion?
I think there's an international difference in the way people express themselves. Americans often come right out and say what they mean as forcefully as they like. Sometimes it sounds rude but isn't meant to be. Sometimes it sounds rude and it is meant to be but it doesn't mean what it would mean if someone of another nationality said the same thing.
Or that's how I came to understand it anyway. We English tend to be a bit more reticent. Some other nationalities bend over backwards to be scrupulously polite and not to offend, but sometimes they don't really say what they mean, so you don't quite know what they're thinking.
I've found this message board to be very caring, on the whole, and often very witty and funny too. I like it very much. It's helped me. Once or twice I've wandered into a situation and said what I've thought and discovered too late that there's a longstanding situation between people of which I was totally unaware. On those occasions, one in particular, the wisest course seemed to be silence. Personally, I don't choose to offend people, but I value very much my right to say what I think and the same is so for other people too.
I'd much rather have people say what they think than be afraid to express themselves fully, especially on a forum like this when people can help and be helped, and have fun at the same time.
So, no complaints from me! And I agree with much that's written above, especially from Flipper, Mad Sweeney and Talesin.
it was in a box of old wt books i had given to me.
several sections are underlined- all about the new light concerning the "millions now living who will never die".
perhaps this is the first official, mention of rutherford's new end-times dogma.
When did the WT abandon the cross? Very interesting to see the crosses in the stonework here.
we discuss biology from time to time here (usually as it relates to evolution) so i thought this might be fun.. below are two mice; male and female:.
below are the offspring they consistently (90% of the time) produce:.
can anyone guess why?.
Same as cantleave
have you ever noticed what the elders say when a depressed person commits suicide?.
i unfortunately knew of two people in my area, one a guy about my age, the other was in his mid 40's that commited suicide.
both times, at their memorials, the elders from stage said that they were home alone and was cleaning their hand gun/ rifle when it accidently fired and killed them.
I know the RCs believe suicides don't go to heaven.
That's not actually true. I've attended a Requiem Mass for a young man who killed himself and it was a full Mass and funeral. The priest talked very kindly about how disturbed and depressed he'd been.
Catholics and the Catholic church are very much less judgemental than JW's. However grave the sin, the person's immediate circumstances and frame of mind, the pressures he or she was under, all of that, would be taken into consideration.
And ultimately, the Catholic church says, only God knows and only God can judge. Whereas with the Watchtower the GB knows best.
You pays your money and you takes your choice. I know which I prefer.
i have just joined this discussion board.
i have been reading it for some time and have been enjoying the insightful posts here.
i grew up in the organization and had been very active.
Jerusalem Bible has some Catholic bias. More popular, credible versions include NASB, NIV, ESV, NKJV, etc.
Not that you're biased, eh, Godrulz?
in the past, you were told that you have the opportunity to prove the devil a liar.
this is a nonsensical claim, given that about 2000 years of martyrdom by christians has already passed.
there's nothing left to prove or disprove.. however, you have the opportunity to prove that the watchtower society is lying: that their organization is unclean and overrun with corruption - as proven by an endless stream of elders/ms's and publishers who come here, wishing that they could leave.. you also have the opportunity to prove that their published statistics are false - by reporting fake hours and placements.. if they don't like it, too bad.
Maybe we'll end up proving that Satan was telling the truth after all?
Did he ever get to tell his side of the story?
i say to those ones, "congratulations.
" you have figured it out.. .
the above is a fusion between the void (empty set zero with a slash through it) symbol and a drawing of a unicorn.
OnTheWayOut, this is wonderful!
I thought it was your own work ofm genius but have spent a happy 15 minutes or so Googling both IPU and FSM, and am now relishing the thought that both might be related to the World Turtle and perrhaps to the four elephants on her back too.
What do you think?
I especially like the Invisible Pink Unicorn. This is a unicorn with character. She has attitude. Definitely one to follow.
first day back at work after attending the dc.
the one with 12 baptized (http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/experiences/211447/1/great-crowd-of-12-people-get-baptised-at-district-convention).
i must have been dozing off during the part in question, but after the sessions someone told me that in the question and answer segment with the speaker from bethel, they said that there have been anointed ones all throughout history, and that in the new world their names will be read from a list.
the rest of the explanation (from the person telling me) was drowned out by "isn't that amazing!" and "and he said it's for sure, not even maybe!"..
You mean, people actually believe this?
