I like this.
You've correctly got the status of Women who are pioneers. Though they're higher than women who are not pioneers, pioneer women have nowhere to go. That is, unless they get married to an elder, and then they can begin to climb the ladder to become a Bossy Elder's wife, and produce Children of Elders.
So, sisters, try harder. Become pioneers, and know your place until you can get to marry and set your husband on the ladder.
i am blatantly plagiarizing this from a 20th century email that claimed this was an open letter to laura schlessinger.
snopes has the real scoop on it's origins.
i'm sure it's been posted on jwn more than once in years past.
I've lost the thread of this thread.
I wish my creaky old printer was still working!! I'd print up a lot of these and shove them under peoples' windshield wipers at the local KH!!!
I agree, Zid! A mass mailing could be good!
this post was prompted by musing after responding to a thread by metatron.
hmmm.
one of the watchtower teachings that really struck me right from the start as being without foundation is the whole concept of jesus and michael being one and the same being.. bear with me here.
My goodness, what a wealth of information!
Thanks very much, everyone, and especially Leolaia and Glenster, designs too for 11Q13.
Leolaia especially, bot everyone else too, am I right in assuming that Jesus would know all this?
i hope this thread goes somewhere, and i hope i put it in an acceptable category:.
the wts has spent around 130 years in underhanded practices and cult control.
we can all name at least two practices banned by the un as inhumane.. because of the control of information they have within their ranks and their often litigious nature outside of the "compound" walls, every bit of information on here is crucial in ensuring no one who visits jwn falls for the gimmicks and traps the society works to employ.. there are personal experiences that are troublesome and touching through the experience of freedom after years of endurement.
Beautifully put.
i am no longer one of jehovah's witnesses(well mentally that is)---however i am a christian...i recently started reading different translations from www.biblegateway.com...jesus is so different to how the jw's teach....and god...i mean, i still am learning and confused about certain things but i am in love with them.... it's obvious that the jw's are not an organization of god.i don't think god is working through an organization but through individuals...however i am going to speak to an elder tomorrow about my issues---all of them---and i'm going to tell him everything--what i've been reading,where i got it from---everything!!
i'm not hiding anything!
i have done no wrong....i just want to be a true christian and if they disfellowship me for seeking answers then this is not where i need to be.
I'm not surprised...we've all seen it coming really from your story in your posts week by week.
Just be careful not to jump out of the frying pan into the fire. Well, you won't...there can't be another fire quite like the Watchtower...but there are many different ways of approaching God, Jesus and spirituality in general.
Don't go immediately from the Watchtower into commiitting yourself to something else. That's all. Give yourself all the time in the world to explore all kinds of thinking.
And, as others have said, well done for clear, honest thinking and seeking, and for courage!
i am blatantly plagiarizing this from a 20th century email that claimed this was an open letter to laura schlessinger.
snopes has the real scoop on it's origins.
i'm sure it's been posted on jwn more than once in years past.
I've just read your post, Sweet Baby. I'm still chuckling.
Seriously, it's very, very good. I especially like f (above). I've always wondered why Jehovah's Witnesses take the injunctions concerning blood so seriously, but munch away happily on food like shellfish. Now you've added in the homosexual element...very good!
And the bit about cutting the hair and deserving death. Tell us, please, are you toying with the idea of doling out one of these punishments?...I'm bearing in mind that death can really only be doled out once individually, but you could choose on which grounds you choose to administer it, all in the spirit of experiment.
I love the whole concept. If we need to take the Bible literally in one instance, why not all?
Splendidly logical! Keep us posted on the results!
PS. I'm not being sarcastic. This is genuine first class logic.
this post was prompted by musing after responding to a thread by metatron.
hmmm.
one of the watchtower teachings that really struck me right from the start as being without foundation is the whole concept of jesus and michael being one and the same being.. bear with me here.
This post was prompted by musing after responding to a thread by Metatron. Hmmm. Metatron. Interesting. Back to him later.
One of the Watchtower teachings that really struck me right from the start as being without foundation is the whole concept of Jesus and Michael being one and the same being.
Bear with me here. For those who don't believe anyway in Jesus or Michael or angels or archangel(s) please let's just for the minute view this as a conundrum, an interesting exercise in origins of beliefs/concepts/myths/legends/stories. OK?
Jehovah's Witnesses believe there is only one archangel and not only believe he is Michael but add in the (to other people) totally wacky concept that Michael=Jesus. They seem to be on their own, though I think some other group, is it Seventh Day Adventists? go along with it. They say they get it from their interpretation of the Bible, oops, sorry, what the Bible really teaches.
Most people know and believe in four archangels. Michael, Gabriel, Raphael and (not so well known) Uriel. The WT Bible is limited to the books of the Bible accepted mainly by Protestants. Most Protestants know Gabriel as an archangel too, and he is usually known as the Archangel Gabriel. They're usually aware of Raphael, at least in my experience, but are not quite sure where or how he fits in, except that they know him as helping with healing. They know Gabriel as God's announcer, and Michael as the warrior angel who defeated Satan. They're both in the Bible, though the Bible doesn't say Gabriel is an archangel.
Catholics have extra material in their Bible, and so know Raphael as the angel in the Book of Tobit. Like the Orthodox Church, they accept those books which such Protestants as the Anglican and Episcopal Churches know as the Apocrypha.
However, the Jews had many more ancient books, which largely formed the Jewish canon. They include the book of Enoch, interestingly accepted by the Ethiopian Christian church, one of the very earliest churches. Uriel is generally known as the Light of God. Wikipedia reminds me that in Paradise Lost Milton describes him as the "sharpest sighted spirit in all of Heaven."
Interestingly again, to me, at any rate, these four archangels are generally known as representing and indeed guarding the four cardinal points, and it's especially interesting to know that they were also seen in ancient times as representing the four brightest stars in the heavens, Aldebaron, Regulus, Antares and Formalhaut.
So these four archangels are variously mentioned in the Bible, the fuller Catholic and Orthodox Bible, and further ancient Jewish writings, as well as in other areas of the ancient world including Persia.
But Metatron? I started with him.
Because I've always been interested in ancient history, I had heard of Metatron and somehow knew of him as the chief angel, but how could that be? Now I've discovered that he was indeed known as such to the Jews in the Zohar and elsewhere.
http://www.thechristianrabbi.org/whoismetatron.htm
Here is my important question, or it seems so to me anyway.
The Bible tells us repeatedly of Jesus' learning and knowledge of the Jewish texts, from childhood. He will have known of all these angels including Metatron. Although Jesus "updated" some of the ancient teachings, as with his two great commandments in Matthew 22: 35-40, he does not anywhere contradict the ancient Jewish learning. Instead, he builds on it over and over again, supporting his teachings with what has been known for hundreds and hundreds of years.
Surely, Jesus himself must have known and accepted the existence of these other angels, including Metatron?
Am I alone in being intrigued by all this?
i haven't read anything here or anywhere else in regard to what i can only call the "ascension/2012" movement.
in a nutshell, you have websites all over the place talking about this year as pivotal in world history.
while the beliefs are not consistent from site to site, they often highlight certain ideas:.
OK, I'm going to go out on a limb here and give Metatron a serious answer. It's a sensible question.
These are just my thoughts, but I think this 2012 Ascension thing is just another manifestation of the whole "end of the world" thing that also includes Armageddon (surprise, surprise.)
It goes back to the Mayan calendar, includes a prophecy by an Irish monk in the Middle Ages about the Last Pope, has a dash of Nostradamus, brings in the excitingly elusive planet of Nibiru, of Zephaniah Sitchin fame, and certainly gets a boost from the predicted shift of the world's polar axis.
It's all rather fun, isn't it? Can't wait!
i am very surprised that a very pretty lady that is i/o psychology doctorate major, she would like to go out with me on date.
she knows that i do not have any college degree.
to be honest with you, i am pretty much intimidated by her intelligence.
Lucky old you!
Enjoy!
