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  ex-jw-uk

  by bigmac in

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  i'm quite new to this site, & have realised some members have a union jack symbol under their avatar.

  i don't.. could we have a "show of hands" from any uk members?

  i've already found several by reading older posts..

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  Chariklo

  We certainly live in some good places. I love Northumberland. And wide open spaces in general.
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  Dwarf Mammoth and Evolution

  by Chariklo in

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  i wonder what the watchtower will say about the latest evolutionary news from the island of crete?.

  here are extracts from the bbc science news report, plus a link for anyone who wants to read it all.

  "the smallest mammoth ever known to have existed roamed the island of crete millions of years ago, researchers say..... .

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  Chariklo

  On reflection, probably the Watchtower will just behave like an ostrich and try to ignore it. If pushed, they'll quote the unreliability of science over the word of Jehovah as penned in that scientific journal, the Bible.
  
  And in a year or so, the Awake will, gasp, marvel, feature the wonderful dwarf mammoth as an illustration of the wonders of Jehovah's creation and the foolishness (somehow, they'll manage it) of those silly scientists.
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  A question for Roman Catholics ...

  by talesin in

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  i attended a funeral on the weekend, and my friend asked me to go up with her for the wafer (no disrespect intended, i'm not sure of the correct term to use).

  she is rc herself, but was shy to walk up alone - it was a large funeral.. .

  i did not, because i have been told in the past that it would be very disrespectful.

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  Chariklo

  Yup.
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  Look at these beautiful Buddhist principles - why would Jehovah kill anyone following this?

  by yadda yadda 2 in

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  check out these sublime buddhist mindfulness trainings by a famous buddhist monk.

  now why would this man or any adherent of such beautiful teachings be destroyed at armageddon?.

  (for some reason i can't cut and paste webpage addresses using google chrome.

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  Chariklo

  The whole concept of God...Jehovah, if the WT insists....killing people is bizarre and ridiculous.

  If Jesus' message was that God is Love, it's the ultimate contradiction. Potty. Bonkers.

  The more I think about things, the more attracted I am to Buddhist thought though I've no current plans to espouse any formal religion. However, next to my bed I have a little book of writings by the Dalai Lama on Compassion.

  Reading a paragraph or so first and last thing is proving a very happy alternative to the ubiquitous "day text"!
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  Has anyone ever used a non-NWT (New World Translation) bible at meetings / study?

  by biometrics in

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  2. bible

  about 1 year ago (before i faded), i purchased an old king james bible from ebay and started using it in the meetings and when a brother came over to study with me.. a common reaction of fellow jws was to stare at the bible, then say "what type of bible is that?

  ", then they'd sometimes ask to look at it, and flip to john 1:1. when they saw what it said, they'd treat it like it was apostate material, even though a few decades earler it was the same bible jws used.. i strongly encourage any lurkers/faders to use another bible at the meetings and see what type of reactions you get.. .

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  Chariklo

  Yes, I have. For many months I used a Jerusalem Bible at meetings and during study sessions. I was merely a new inquirer, or, to use the jargon, an "interested one".

  It was received with what seemed then like tolerant interest. Now I know better. Really, they just saw my refusal to use the NWT as further confirmation of my un-meek attitude.
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  Dwarf Mammoth and Evolution

  by Chariklo in

  1. social
  2. current

  i wonder what the watchtower will say about the latest evolutionary news from the island of crete?.

  here are extracts from the bbc science news report, plus a link for anyone who wants to read it all.

  "the smallest mammoth ever known to have existed roamed the island of crete millions of years ago, researchers say..... .

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  Chariklo

  I wonder what the Watchtower will say about the latest evolutionary news from the island of Crete?

  Here are extracts from the BBC Science News report, plus a link for anyone who wants to read it all.

  "The smallest mammoth ever known to have existed roamed the island of Crete millions of years ago, researchers say....
  
  "...Dwarfism is a well-known evolutionary response of large mammals to island environments," said Dr Herridge.
  
  This evolutionary phenomenon is thought to be driven by the relative scarcity of food sources or by the absence of predators.
  
  "Our findings show that on Crete, island dwarfism occurred to an extreme degree, producing the smallest mammoth known so far," she added.
  
  The teeth analysed in the study were originally collected by fossil hunter Dorothea Bate in 1904. They were first thought to belong to dwarf forms of the straight-tusked elephant Palaeoloxodon antiquus, which is considered the evolutionary ancestor of all dwarf elephants."

  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-18003093
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  A question for Roman Catholics ...

  by talesin in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i attended a funeral on the weekend, and my friend asked me to go up with her for the wafer (no disrespect intended, i'm not sure of the correct term to use).

  she is rc herself, but was shy to walk up alone - it was a large funeral.. .

  i did not, because i have been told in the past that it would be very disrespectful.

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  Chariklo

  Hi Tal,

  I attended a funeral on the weekend, and my friend asked me to go up with her for the wafer (no disrespect intended, I'm not sure of the correct term to use). She is RC herself, but was shy to walk up alone - it was a large funeral.

  I did not, because I have been told in the past that it would be very disrespectful. She said that it was considered okay for a baptized person (of any faith, as long as you had been baptized by 'someone') to do so, RC or not.

  You were correct.

  The ruling in the Catholic Church is that only communicant (as distinct from baptised) Catholics can take Holy Communion (receive the Blessed Sacrament/bread/wafer). It is a strict ruling, made even stricter since the present Pope became Pope. I think members of the Orthodox Church may also, but that's all, not even Anglicans and Episcopalians.

  However, although that is the strict ruling, and it is very much to be upheld without variation, there are still local variations because there are some parishes where the priests are a bit rebellious. But they are few and far between, again since Pope Benedict became Pope. The ruling has never actually been otherwise, but a few years ago there were more rebellious parish priests. it's all been tightened up though.

  Just to clear up a couple of other points:

  wafer= eucharist or host, as Still Thinking already said.

  In fact, to Catholics, the bread IS the Body of Christ, is Christ himself, Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity. That is the teaching, believed by all Catholics, and it is different from general Episcopalian/Anglican belief. The latter churches are more likely to be the ones using the term *eucharist", though that term, in the UK at least, more usually refers to an Anglican Communion service. To a Catholic, that "service" is the Mass.

  Lay people never received wine until recently.

  In the UK, that practice came in towards the end of the eighties. It is not referred to as wine. Catholics believe it becomes the Blood of Jesus, and it is more usually referred to as "receiving from the chalice".

  Band On the Run, the old Latin liturgy, known as the Tridentine Mass, is still celebrated and has not changed. Many churches (not splinter groups) reserve one or more weekly masses for those who prefer the old liturgy. They do so around here, and I am sure it is no different in your part of the country.

  Depends where you are, Botchtower. In my area, there are only a very few such Masses available, and only a very few people attend them. However, this Pope offers the practice every encouragement, and the swing is very much in that direction. It tends to be more the older people who like it and only a minority of those, but there is also a growing number of almost militant and fervent young catholics who are trying to revive the old Latin and the former traditions.

  She said she was taking communion again, when I asked how she was getting on in the confessional, she said they didn't have to do confession any more and could do communion without that. In fact, confession was no longer manditory.

  I have to say I was shocked because it was always a big deal and you could not receive communion/eucharist unless you went to confession first. So although my friend thought that was great...I couldn't understand it because it was considered a sin to accept communion without confession and doing the said amount of Hail Marys and Our Fathers for repentance.

  Was that before Vatican 2, still thinking? It isn't quite like that these days.

  The two things are separate. Regular sacramental confession, maybe monthly, is encouraged but no longer widely practised. It is not mandatory to make a sacramental confesion before receiving Holy Communion, but it is mandatory to go to confession at least once a year, particularly, within the Eater season, which lasts from the beginning of Lent to Pentecost.

  However, if a serious, i.e. mortal sin has been committed, one should make a sacramental confession before receiving Holy Communion. People living in a state of serious sin, according to the teachings of the Church, e.g. living together unmarried or divorcees who have remarried without annulment, may not take Holy Communion. However, gain, there are parish priests who turn a blind eye, so you may find a parish where the practice is less strict. However, in such a parish, the priest will be disobeying the rule of the Church.

  If anyone wants to know an absolutely up to date fact about the RC church please feel free to ask me in a PM if you want or PM me and draw my attention to a thread on the forum. I haven't been back to church yet but I am very up to date and in touch with recent changes and developments there.
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  1919 and Jesus' selection of the Watchtower corporation

  by biometrics in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  does anyone know any other reason(s) jesus might not have selected the watchtower corporation in 1919?.

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  Chariklo

  20. Teaching Jesus was responsible for writing literature - (The Finished Mystery, 1917, p. 295)

  Locally, at least, JW's are using phrases like "When God wrote the Bible..."

  “The facts show that it was the group of anointed Christians associated with the publishers of the magazine Zion’s Watch Tower and Herald Christ’s Presence….”

  Exactly which facts would those be, do you think?
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  My mother is trying to indoctrinate my 4 year old and I do not know what to do

  by jwfacts in

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  my mother lives a plane trip away from me, so does not get to spend very much time with zac.

  however, she is in sydney for 3 weeks and has been babysitting.

  i knew that she would be talking about jehovah, but was very annoyed yesterday when zac said my mother was speaking all day about jehovah, such as how he made the stars.. in the past, i was not overly concerned if zac learnt about jehovah's witnesses, as i thought it would help with critical thinking skills to understand different points of view.

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  I agree with mouthy, hamsterbait and eveeryone else.

  Speaking as a grandmother, I can't imagine that any grandmother would risk not seeing her grandchild. But this is not an ordinary gran. She is a JW gran. Be absolutely definite and firm, and supervise, be within earshot. Limit the contact to what you can control.

  Also, be very very careful. My observation of JW's is that they are so brainwashed themselkves that they are like hypnotised beings, or robots. They're on automatic, programmed to get the J-word in where they can.They just can't help themselves.

  I'd say, for the time being think of your mum a a fire hazard, and you wouldn't risk Zac by putting him in danger from the flame, would you?

  Skeeter's idea is very very good.
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  2012 July Kingdom Ministry!

  by Atlantis in

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  2012 july kingdom ministry*click the link below and when the next page appears scroll down and click the link in the long blue box that says: (click here to start download from sendspace).

  ignore all the other buttons and symbols.

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  Chariklo

  Is the RV increase due to holy spirit's guidance or because drones would rather ride across town in an air-conditioned (or heated) car instead of walking door-to-door?

  Yes, SBC, that's exactly what they do, and those drones are mostly pioneer sisters and evil elderettes, fortified with an abundance of packed lunches and thermos flasks, cakes for a break a little further on, and that car is pulsing with the hot gossip machine of the Kingdom Hall.

  Or so I observed it, on the occasions when I was invited to join in.