Posts by truthseeker1969

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Elder father sent me an email about Feb 2012 WT - my resposne

by TheStumbler in

i'm not sure if any of you will remember but i posted on here six months ago about a correspondence i was having with my dad, an elder, about who would die in armageddon.

i was asking some tough questions about children being killed in armageddon and i could tell he uncomfortable with the answers he was giving.. i drafted an email in resposne to his email but in the end i decided not to send it in the interest of maintaining friendly relations.. .

last week, out of the blue, my dad sent an email link to the february 2012 watchtower article about armageddon and said it would answer some of my questions.. here is my response which is a critique of the feb 2012 wt article and some of the broader ethics concerning 'armageddon'.

truthseeker1969

Wasn't it the society who chopped and changed their view on sodom and gomorrah (sorry if spelt wrong). It is not up to any man or organization to decide what God will do at any time. I can however remember decades ago an elder saying that the parents are responsible for the spiritual welfare of their family and therefor they would if the decided to ignore the 'truth' be held responsible for the lives of their children.

Like so many things doctrine is subject to change, just like when they said they didn't know if Hitler would be brought back to life, then he wouldn't then he may be since he died before the big A...subject to change.

I believe the big A will happen but it will be God who decides, maybe he will yack the adults and save the children. I have never been bold enough to claim to know the mind of God and feel sorry for those who do!

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dress code for kingdom hall

by frigginconfused in

could a man with long hair and a scruffy face make it up to elder status?.

ive seen some a list actors with long hair and beards at award shows.

they looked sexy, mature, and profesional.. think a guy like that could make it?.

truthseeker1969

From what i hear if a brother shaves his head they tell him to grow it in unless it is shaved because his hair is more or less gone

One brother years ago refused to remove his beard unless they gave him scriptural grounds and they couldnt....didn't charlie russell have a beard?

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To all christians...

by wolfman85 in

...should we celebrate the memorial in our homes?

will you do it?

any ideas.

truthseeker1969

Can anyone help? I am looking to find scriptures that show that this event continued after jesus death.

if this was the covenant between jesus and his chosen then could the fact that nowhere in the scriptures is it mentioned again mean that the number was sealed? Would Jehovah leave the church in darkness and not chose any other people until Russell brought this practise in to belief?

Anyone help with this one?

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Difficulties understanding passage.

by s-c-3-1-3 in

i am reading colossians 1:15-18, and understand it to mean that jehovah created jesus who then created all other things in the world, thus jesus crall things except for god who created him.

is this correct?

thanks in advance!.

truthseeker1969

i think it was the doouglas walsh trial in 1952 in scotland that franz was asked to translate a small passage of scripture from greek to english and he refused to do so saying "he would not attempt that'. So for me that is enough proof that something is a miss in the NWT trnaslation

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unbelievable

by truthseeker1969 in

jw
friends

well here i am in the uk cold and windy but happy to see 'home' for a few weeks.. bought me and ipad to keep in touch.. was greeted by my family like i had never left all active witnesses and all aware i no longer believe, they have the blood thicker than water attitude.. my oldest sister tells me that the elders were 'asking about you' and that she accidentally said i would be visiting.. keep in mind that i left 17 years ago and they are still waiting to see how they can de-humiliate themselves for what they did and i guess they will never give up.

i sat there thinking, shepered the flock?

what is it about elders and getting even and revenge?

truthseeker1969

It gets funnier.

I go out into town with the wife and oldest son and we here ' hi there strangers' and lo and behold and elder from my youth spots us

thankfully he was not in hunting mode and was pleasant and asked us how we are and mentioned how my oldest had turned out to be such a tall handsome young man....not so much as a "do you believe' or "how could you have" it was all 'good to see you material" which I am sure will get back to the elders

I have written the following for the leaving letter;

Dear Brothers:

As you are aware I agreed to meet with you on the 20th January and am still able and willing to do so.

I truly have nothing to say to you regarding anything that has happened in the past of which you as a body of elders have to assume responsibility for. There was never any malice on my part and never any intention to point you as a body or as individuals as being incapable of carrying out your God given responsibility to convene a man made arrangement to judge others.

Simply put, it was your drive to throw people out of the congregation that hurt you not me. From what I hear those who accused me of being homosexual based on seeing me going into or rather frequenting a 'gay bar" which you subsequently were told was actually closed and I was renovating, had nothing done to them. Infact, they are no longer part of the congregation, do you go after them the same way you go after innocent people?

I hold no grudge against you, why should I? You have shown that going outwith the scriptures, brings nothing but heartache and drama for those who live within them.

I have loved and will always love those who are part of the congregation, a love that has become more full since I am able to look from the outside in from glasses not tainted with 'what we are told they should be" but ones that are 'clear" and able to see the realities of what is.

If you would like to meet with me you can contact me by email which will be given by my family.

This is not a letter of disassociation but I am sure someone somewhere will interpret it as such, they will answer not I.

I wish you well and hope that in time, you can forgive yourselves for the situation you created.

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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 01-01-2012 WT Study (OWN UNDERSTANDING)

by blondie in

jw
friends

do not lean upon your.

own understanding.

a young.

truthseeker1969

Hehe I never ever accidentally find porn, I have it bookmarked

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"We needed to use the library"... and other wacky Watchtower excuses.

by cedars in

i'm sure we're all familiar with the crazy excuse that the watch tower society leadership came up with to justify their nine year period as a un ngo (non governmental organization).

amazingly, this seems to make perfect sense with watch tower apologists, who don't stop for a moment to ponder the following:.

you don't need to be a un ngo to use the un libraryif it was so innocent for them to hold un ngo status just to use the library, why did they withdraw their status when the issue received media attention?that aside, we are now witnessing the unravelling of fresh scandals to hit the society, most notably:.

truthseeker1969

My theory in the whole UN debacle was that they were sending in "spies" to watch what was going on in the UN regarding religion and religious bans in countries. Of course they could not openly admit it as they would expose themselves to ridicule....now witnesses are asked to "wait on Jehovah" in matters they have no clarity on, why couldn't they.

Regarding the "dump" I think they will simply state that the current departments had no knowledge of what was happening since it happened so long ago, put out the old hand and ask for more money from the sheep (fleecing) get it cleaned up in record time, plant a few trees and write an article saying how well they respond in emergencies.

As for Mr Uthank I think it will not do any damage at all to them, it would be far different if the state took this action or indeed if it takes it over. I think time that passes and the PR game the society plays will have people simply saying he is "disgruntled". People from Australia that I FB with have no knowledge of it and the one that did hear something had little interest. Sad really when it is an important issue.

To me at this time, the GB are simply beating the sheep into submission and fear and doing more damage than good.

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QFR WT MARCH 15TH - PORN - D/F

by stillajwexelder in

i assume you are all aware of this by now.

qfr could a christians practice of viewing pornography.

become so bad that it results in his being expelled.

truthseeker1969

The truth is no matter what any witness does the Gb will not be happy until we live a sad senile life like they do.

No one will ever be good enough.

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unbelievable

by truthseeker1969 in

jw
friends

well here i am in the uk cold and windy but happy to see 'home' for a few weeks.. bought me and ipad to keep in touch.. was greeted by my family like i had never left all active witnesses and all aware i no longer believe, they have the blood thicker than water attitude.. my oldest sister tells me that the elders were 'asking about you' and that she accidentally said i would be visiting.. keep in mind that i left 17 years ago and they are still waiting to see how they can de-humiliate themselves for what they did and i guess they will never give up.

i sat there thinking, shepered the flock?

what is it about elders and getting even and revenge?

truthseeker1969

Will Power, no they have nothing on my family, they are all in good standing and have between them 140 years of service and pioneering and worship.

I simply think it was the 'apostate hunting" that brought this on.

I have no interest but when i saw my Mother cry it made my blood boil and today just to update, she had three visits from sisters asking how she is etc.

I will leave them a note too on the 20th hehehehe.....say what you want about me, hurt my family and i will strike back

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Bible God in the image of old civilization

by diamondiiz in

how many descriptions of god or angels reflect on old civilization?

i mean, the angels using swords?

wouldn't almighty have something better to arm them with?

truthseeker1969

Maybe he would be known as Easy Jah and the 144's in the 21st century bible.