Posts by xjwsrock

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December Study Watchtower - Preparing to Reveal a New Light?

by The Searcher in

the jw/wtbt's anti-scriptural & anti-christ teaching that "a person's own death wipes out their sins" (based on their lie that romans 6:7 is to be interpreted literally) appears to have had a little wedge inserted into it.

despite making numerous accurate references to the fact that 1st century christians had figuratively died to sin, the svengalis at the top of the brooklyn pyramid point-blank refuse to discuss/cite/quote romans 6:7 and its true meaning.

page 10, par.

xjwsrock

I see your point. The whole chapter in Romans is full of symbolism using death as an analogy (the symbolism is actually overplayed if anything). They write a watchtower article referencing this symbolism with no acknowledgement of a verse integral to their theology, right in the middle of the chapter, that they demand a literal interpretation of.

So instead of own this or at least explain it, they simply ignore it. Shows a few things to me. One, the omission is intentional and a sign of the con job that is watchtower. Two, they have zero fear of the r&f calling them out on it which means they know 99% won't actually read the scripture references or their context and they don't fear the few that do.

Their arrogance is making them sloppy though, I must say. The writing department is spoiled by the absence of criticism.

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Is this the last chance for inactive and df'd ones?

by innerpeace in

hi all, just wondering if there's anything going around about the elders receiving instruction from the society to give inactive ones and disfellowshipped ones one last chance to come back?

i ask because i have a still in family member that i received a message from, and urging me to go back.

the elders are apparently saying there is no time left.

xjwsrock

I am an elder. No formal instructions have been given like you describe. Sounds like somebody has gotten excited based on the org's saber rattling or you are being intentionally duped.

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Why we got fooled into accepting the JW/Christian Superstition.

by fulltimestudent in

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friends

the problem lies in the way our brains work.

this video is not specifically about religion as a fallacy, but shows why we can accept superstition as a reality:.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5xqtol5hpe.

xjwsrock

Interesting. Video has bad sound and is transposed but I liked the part debunking psychics.

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Has anyone been shunned by a REAL sinner?

by ToesUp in

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just curious..... has anyone been shunned (just decided to leave the cult)?

let me explain my situation:.

a family member seems to be shunning me.

xjwsrock

Like the old saying goes:

"No one more righteous than a reformed prostitute."

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Are the Elders harder on Women

by Steel in

i was having a discussion with an old friend last night.

her parents are divorced and his mother never became “one of jehovah witnesses “ .

long story short she claims elders are generally hardier on women than men.

xjwsrock

The org is a breeding ground of insecure men taking out their inferiority complexes on the underlings (like women).

I have seen a lot of the opposite too, though. Attractive sisters can turn on the tears or giggle a few times to get out of murder.

But that's the point, The elders like the org because it props them up and gives them authority. They can then use the authority to give out favors to attractive sisters or lord it over the "headstrong" ones. Both with impunity.

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If You Refuse to Question, How Can You Be Sure of the Answer?

by xjwsrock in

..... let's pose a forbidden question....is the jw faith actually the one true religion?

if you refuse to ask this question with a true open mind and heart, how can it be said you know the answer is yes?

put another way..... if you refuse to ask this question today, how can you really say you know today that the answer is yes?.

xjwsrock

Interesting point Millie210 .....there are definitely some warm and fuzzies connected with things from our childhood. It is natural to be drawn to friends, family, places and things that remind us of those early times. I can see the primal / survival part of it too. We might form stronger attachments early on to what helped us survive or what we think helped us survive.

You could make some jokes from that premise. Like sticking to the JW religion from birth is like continuing to consume breast milk or Gerber baby food as an adult.

undercover - I agree wholeheartedly. I wrote a post about a similar topic here.

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Recording of doorstop meeting with JWs

by MrMonroe in

i was alerted to the presence of jws in my street, so i grabbed my voice recorder and placed it by the front door.

several minutes later there was a knock, i pressed "record" and opened the door to two jw women.

the recording below runs for 25 minutes.

xjwsrock

I thought you did quite well with this.

I am still surprised at how quickly a regular r&f witness resorts to lying when asked some hard questions. I know there are a lot of goodhearted people in the religion, so I am surprised when they lie so readily to cover for the organization.

Around the 13:00 mark there is an interesting exchange:

"Are you allowed to question your beliefs?"
"Yeah..... Yeah (high pitched voice suddenly)
"So you can criticize a doctrine openly?"
"Yeah, I can go to the elders...."

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Uhhh .........going to the elders is not questioning openly.........I know some of this is what they tell themselves, but it's nuts to hear them tell half-truths so easily.

I am an elder (not much longer). Let me tell you, if someone comes forward criticizing a doctrine, it would be a matter of minutes before the subject changed to the motives and attitude of the publisher. Don't let there be more than one question or have the question be something integral to the belief system like 1914 or FDS. That would escalate the problem very quickly.

Here is the typical formula elders use:

One question = Awww the sheep needs some spiritual guidance.

Two questions = Well I see this one is stubborn....

Three questions = Time to be counseled for questioning the FDS and thus God Almighty himself - this person's name could now be brought up before the body as a potential apostate or a person "poisoned" by apostates. It is not out of the question for a 2-brother investigating committee to be formed to dig into this serious spiritual matter.

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If You Refuse to Question, How Can You Be Sure of the Answer?

by xjwsrock in

..... let's pose a forbidden question....is the jw faith actually the one true religion?

if you refuse to ask this question with a true open mind and heart, how can it be said you know the answer is yes?

put another way..... if you refuse to ask this question today, how can you really say you know today that the answer is yes?.

xjwsrock

Good point Hyperpen, they certainly take advantage of human nature by giving people an all-in-one life-answer package.

Funny NewYork44M, reminds you of a child that just wants Daddy to tell them everything is going to be alright.

"OK....... so NOW it's the Truth Daddy? ......Oh Goodie..... So glad you gave us that new light..... Can you read me a bible story now? ........I like the one about that mean ole Korah...."

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If You Refuse to Question, How Can You Be Sure of the Answer?

by xjwsrock in

..... let's pose a forbidden question....is the jw faith actually the one true religion?

if you refuse to ask this question with a true open mind and heart, how can it be said you know the answer is yes?

put another way..... if you refuse to ask this question today, how can you really say you know today that the answer is yes?.

xjwsrock

I think it is incredible that JW's think it is a sin to question something that they most likely decided when they were 12 years old. Even that was based mainly on a bible story book and what their parents told them to think.

Sad...

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If You Refuse to Question, How Can You Be Sure of the Answer?

by xjwsrock in

..... let's pose a forbidden question....is the jw faith actually the one true religion?

if you refuse to ask this question with a true open mind and heart, how can it be said you know the answer is yes?

put another way..... if you refuse to ask this question today, how can you really say you know today that the answer is yes?.

xjwsrock

....

Let's pose a forbidden question....Is the JW faith actually the one true religion?

If you refuse to ask this question with a true open mind and heart, how can it be said you know the answer is YES? Put another way..... If you refuse to ask this question TODAY, how can you really say you know TODAY that the answer is YES?