Jesus, this flu has given me a bad mood hasn't it.... :P
snare&racket
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There Is No Atheist In Practice!
by abiather in1) in conscious level, everyone agrees with the principle of cause and effect that says a cause precedes every effect, and every effect is the cause for another effect/s.
in subconscious level, everyone knows that if there is a cause for everything, then there a cause (or a designer) for the principle of causation also.
and this cause is more real than the principle of causation itself, just like source is more real than the resources!.
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There Is No Atheist In Practice!
by abiather in1) in conscious level, everyone agrees with the principle of cause and effect that says a cause precedes every effect, and every effect is the cause for another effect/s.
in subconscious level, everyone knows that if there is a cause for everything, then there a cause (or a designer) for the principle of causation also.
and this cause is more real than the principle of causation itself, just like source is more real than the resources!.
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snare&racket
It's not really about disagreeing, its accepting that we know nothing right now and may never know, so the most honest answer is "we don't know".
One certainly can't conclude "...blah blah blah pseudochristianscience.com blah blah so there is a god."
Snare
A refuge for ex cult members, not the best place to trial your trolling talents, why not try the cancer support forums or help the children website?
Seriously, is trolling vulnerable people leaving a cult a smart thing to do? I don't waste my time answering such silliness for the sake of the poster, its the wandering JW who has been brave enough to look at the forums today, the 'me' and 'you' of ten years ago.
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Elders book....margin notes not copyrighted!
by snare&racket inthe watchtower moan about copyright when people quote or display the shepherd the flock book, but those big margins are there for the info they dare not write in ink, the juicy bits!
being in the margin and penned, are not copyrighted.... anyone fancy copying their margins, or sharing the interesting legal/doctrinal bits and bobs?.
anyone have the time to scan them in?.
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Awesome Aude, hope it helps someone xxx
Also, nice bike! I had a CBR 600F that i customised with the HM PLANT honda panels and a GSXR 600.
I had to give them up due to issues of coinage, specificslly insufficient coinage! But occasionally I am to be found working the medic tent at the British Superbikes and Moto GP (and F1).
Happy riding and thanks for the notes ;) x
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Has anyone heard about Elders latest instructions re: Child abuse?
by Newly Enlightened inok, we got an email thru facebook from a viewer of ours and he said that he had heard, that it is not even going out in a boe letter, the elders have to sign into their secure https://www.jw.org/apps/e_hfrsfvtrhc1.
page to get firmer instructions on how to handle any child abuse accusations and they are being told not to call the police..
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There is a fantastic video about this topic of non-reporting and WT advice for post abuse, made just last week, though it is not about new legislation.
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New to JWN and excited!
by sunny23 inhave been visiting jwn for about a week now and it motivated me to join.
i look forward to meeting everyone i can and learning from their experiences and wisdom as i search for more and more reasons not to get reinstated.
here's most of my story:.
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snare&racket
I read your mind dude, I remember reaching that 'level' of the game too... Quite a confusing 'end of level' boss up ahead... The bible.
I dont like to preach, just signpost people, these are two books that helped me make my desicions about the bible. Everything will come together and make sense, also be prepared for evidence and references for the first time ever, not just "because we 8 window cleaners in Brooklyn say so!" That isnt how scholars and researchers work at all, quite the opposite. They give you the data, their interpretation, then you can decide...
The two best resources I can suggest are....
Who Wrote The Bible? by RE Friedman
The Lost Christianities by BD Ehrman
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Lost-Christianities-Battles-Scripture-Faiths/dp/0195182499
Any religious person with attachment for the bible, owe's it to themselves to AT THE VERY LEAST to know the information in these two books before reading one verse and CERTAINLY before quoting any verse to another human being.
The first is a history of the bible, it's opening chapters will blow your JW mind apart, you will be amazed at how much we were lied to about the most basic bible information, like who wrote what when. What we were told is embarassingly laughable and the obviousness of it all leaves you doing major facepalms.
The second is a history of how the scrolls were selected and by who, to form the 'bible'. What was the motive, what was left out, why? Its fantastic.
snare x
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Elders book....margin notes not copyrighted!
by snare&racket inthe watchtower moan about copyright when people quote or display the shepherd the flock book, but those big margins are there for the info they dare not write in ink, the juicy bits!
being in the margin and penned, are not copyrighted.... anyone fancy copying their margins, or sharing the interesting legal/doctrinal bits and bobs?.
anyone have the time to scan them in?.
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Enjoy the surf brosef!
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musings from a sound booth - good and bad experiences in one morning of ministry
by Captain Blithering inhowdy all , relieving the boredom at the meeting again.
yesterday on the ministry i was offering halloween mags (i know,i just dont even try anymore!
) - the lovely missus said "you cant place those" so i said half sarcastically "the truth never goes out of date or changes" .
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That's very kind of you, but I'd never read them.... Someone else might though and it may change their life! Another may read them and win a court case! Another may read them and decide 'enough is enough' and leak more and more useful info!
It would just be toilet reading for me, inbetween Cyanide and Happiness comics like...
and listening to opie and anthony on youtube (hilarious NY radio show) like...
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fr_auJ8w0rA&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dfr_auJ8w0rA
Aww everyone knows my poop routine now.... :(
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is this where Beliefnet went?
by OutInTheCold inhello, some of you old friends and not so much.
i'm wondering why my 13 year-old account from beliefnet is in your database.. interesting.... so that's how you get your numbers for "members".
from other forums.. lol.
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Sorry losing it X
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There Is No Atheist In Practice!
by abiather in1) in conscious level, everyone agrees with the principle of cause and effect that says a cause precedes every effect, and every effect is the cause for another effect/s.
in subconscious level, everyone knows that if there is a cause for everything, then there a cause (or a designer) for the principle of causation also.
and this cause is more real than the principle of causation itself, just like source is more real than the resources!.
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You say we all have to accept the principle of a cause and effect...I disagree. Reality and the history of the universe could well be beyond our comprehension. Cause and effect is one intepretation of what we observe, but we evolved to spot snakes in the leaves and lions in the long grass, not process the mechanics of the universe. Our perspective, WE KNOW, is flawed, evidence and predictions are the only means of constructing theories of worth as proven by the advances in knowledge since incoporating this process 150 years ago. On the contrary, relying on our subconscious is just plain silly and leads to tribal face painting and fear of the dark.
...but going on...from nowhere you add... that YOUR GOD doesnt apply to your inherent rules, where everything demands a cause, for your god is the primary cause. That is basically small print, because you know question one is "what caused your god?" You offer no evidence, no explination, just the statement.."well, erm...he is the PRIMARY cause!"
That may be enough reasoning for you to believe, but it falls short for me, personally. It is self contradicting and in no way explanatory and if anything makes the question more comlicated, not less.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G8JO6nJfKTo&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DG8JO6nJfKTo
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So done with expectations and waiting for 'when it happens'...
by Bruja-del-Sol inok, i haven't introduced myself properly.
sorry for that, but i just never feel like i've got something really interesting to say.
so i rather respond on topics of other people.
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snare&racket
My life changed when I stopped waiting for what I wanted in life, and went and got it. Seems obvious, but took me 26 yesrs to figure it out. Cult upbringings don't help, you are taught that they and your deity are the source for achievment, when in reality... YOU are.
