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  Why Are You Here?

  by Believer in

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  i'm wondering why believers remain members of this forum which is clearly hostile to believers.

  as one member said, nonbelievers pounce on any semblance of belief like piranhas on prey.

  as former jws we should have had our fill of judgmental know-it-alls, but here we are.

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  snare&racket

  It's a big planet with lots of people.... Few of them know what a kingdom melody is or remembers what an S-8 form did or who Judge Rutherford was (no he isn't a WWF wrestler).... Even fewer humans on this planet have the experience of leaving such a belief system behind and those that do lose everyone and sometimes everything.

  It's quite the unique experience.

  Here we share it with others. Here we are not odd-balls with cult baggage.

  Here we are survivors.

  Here we drop messages as we rebuild and move on.

  
  
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  Should I just tell my parents

  by BlackWolf in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  lately i've been feeling just so fed up with this stupid religion i really can't take it anymore!

  i'm starting to think that maybe i should just tell my parents how i really feel.

  if they treat me too badly or kick me out i could probably stay with my non jw aunt.. ive just reached my breaking point, i don't really care what people think of me anymore.

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  snare&racket

  Just remember you are the normal, healthy one in amongst a sea of brainwashed and scared individuals.

  It is VERY important you realise that this is very serious, these people do not mess about. Shunning is for REAL and for LIFE.

  If I was you, work hard at school. Get into university/college. Slowly drift out the JW's the whole time. This way you get to enjoy college, be independent, have a future and a career if you work hard and it all buys you time to establish independence.

  Maybe your aunt could be a really useful safety net for all this X
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  Beliefs About What Caused the Universe

  by Perry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the universe can be observed to be expanding.. an expanding universe must have had a beginning.

  whatever begins to exist had a cause.

  therefore the universe had a cause.

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  snare&racket

  Why limit what may have happened to what you can 'imagine'..

  physics is proving that reality is far from what anyone could have imagined.

  Lets have some humility
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  Panama Papers - Watchtower

  by snare&racket in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the panama papers have just become available,.

  https://offshoreleaks.icij.org.

  happy hunting........ after 30 secs hunting.. 'jehovah jireh ltd' came up with british virgin islands and singapore connections.

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  snare&racket

  The Panama papers have just become available,

  https://offshoreleaks.icij.org

  Happy hunting.......

  After 30 secs hunting.. 'Jehovah Jireh LTD' came up with British Virgin Islands and Singapore connections. Haven't got time myself at the moment, but can search by address, names, words etc.

  
  

  hope you are all well x

  snare

  
  
  
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  The danger of thinking we know everything.

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  a thought occurred that there is a danger in thinking we know everything, or have it all figured out in life.

  especially when it comes to matters of doctrine or faith.. witnesses (or at least the society as a whole) are so self-confident, so proud to be the only ones who know "the truth" about everything to do with the universe, the earth, our past and our future, that pride kicks in.

  and pride is dangerous...(.and before a fall).

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  snare&racket

  Beware anyone claiming to have all the answers, even calling their collective beliefs 'THE truth', especially if return for sharing this knowledge they ask, no...require, no expect, no....demand nothing less than your obedience, unquestionable loyalty and....your money.

  It may be wise to not ignore evidence of their past mistakes also.
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  Government turning on religion - or - I how I learned to stop worrying and love Drumpf

  by undercover in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  where, exactly, does the bible say that government(s) will turn on religion?

  i mean, other than interpreting some crazy visions/dreams from revelation as such?.

  with one megalomaniac leading the gop race for nomination to vie for president of the usa, i've noticed that paranoia has ratcheted up a notch or three.

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  snare&racket

  I wish we could have a webpage that represented a white board, where we could write all the world events that were definetly ...the beginning of the end... From my memory alone:

  Cold War

  Financial crash

  Berlin Wall

  Waco

  9/11

  Afghanistan war

  Iraq War

  Tsunami's

  Financial Crash

  Obama

  Gay Marriage

  Putin

  North Korea

  Rise of China

  Isis

  If one imagined a God that loved all humans equally and cared just as much about the Palestinian/Nigerian/Malaysian child as the American or British, it seems odd that his representatives on earth, his 7 million followers...... Only seem interested in global events affecting USA/Europe. It is so small minded! So dumb!

  A JW with a cart recently told me how the Chinese ministry field had deteriorated due to their new found interest in materialism. I asked if he was not happy to learn that the human beings in China were rising from abject poverty to a western quality of life, health and wealth? He said he was but they were materialistic! I asked what he meant by this? I asked him if he had s car, nice clothes, a home and holidays? He changed the topic.

  It's interesting to see that list from the perspective of a JW and a now rational normal person. What I struggle to fathom is, I remember being an ignorant 18yr old JW with healthy doubt and questions, but led by fear. Now 20 years on, in such a small time frame, we have as a society become so much more informed. Surely modern day JW's are doubting more than ever!?

  I must admit however, even I wonder if Trump may be the beginning of the end of the world.....
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  Ladies: Circumcision or not?

  by Wonderment in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the topic of circumcision has been brought up a few times recently.

  then i wondered... .

  how do women really view circumcision?

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  snare&racket

  If you pull your eyes out, you will never get an eye infection again.......
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  What's the point?

  by punkofnice in

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  2. friends

  i mean, i don't want to be miserable or anything, but what's the bloody point of it all?.

  since i left the watchtower cult, i have come to realise that god cannot possibly exist...and if a god exists...god is indifferent to humankind as the least.. in 100 years time i'll be gone.

  kaput.

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  snare&racket

  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ITTxTCz4Ums
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  I have a question.

  by DATA-DOG in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  according to jwism, god didn't cause suffering, he just allowed it.

  wow, that's really, really, dumb.

  to help humans out, jeehoobidoob provided the ransom.

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  snare&racket

  When and why would an all powerful being create a 'holy spirit'....? It doesn't make sense!

  Of course it makes sense if you are a human making up the story. Humans can't achieve anything spectacular or beyond natural without assistance, usually in fiction, humans require magic or 'the force'. When ascribing gods miracle acts the writers gave him a magic force, the holy spirit, just as all human writers still do to this day when writing fiction about superheroes or Jedi. Of course, the oversight is that according to the story God was a god already, he would even have to make the Holy Spirit himself, which makes no sense.... Why would he need a third party to come visit an elders meeting when appointmenwt are being made, it's silly, but it makes perfect sense when you think humans invented it.

  
  

  How did god hold back the waters for the Israelites? ......oh well he used magic/the force/ the Holy Spirit! ......... Doesn't make sense!
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  Ten years out.....

  by snare&racket in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i'm not sure how useful this post will be, but i feel compelled to write it.

  with many of my older posts, i wrote them with a younger jw version of me in mind.

  with this i write it with a younger newly ex jw in mind.. ten years ago i went to my presiding overseer and told him my concerns about wt owning 'rand cam' military stocks, about unfulfilled prophecy and human error in the governing body and the theocratic consequences of such.

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  snare&racket

  Good to see the forum going strong. Lots of new names which is also awesome! The little contact I have with JW's now leaves me believing they are really suffering. They all seem so despondent, worn out and disappointed. Too scared to vocalise the obvious doubts in their mind, they blindly march on with their busy, thankless, JW lives. How sad.

  I hope you all find happiness and purpose. Having children is THE purpose of life so pat yourself on the back if you have them, I don't yet and I'm jealous! As for the rest of your life, excitingly, it's up to you to find a purpose. Our years are short and fragile so don't wait too long to decide but also for the same reason, make the most of the blip in time that is our generation....of a generation.....of a generation 🙄